Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Oh no, not more bad news!

 

"Donald Trump gets hit with TERRIBLE news as it's revealed that the Trump Organization's former CFO Allan Weisselberg will accept a plea deal for a 15-year tax fraud scheme and testify against The Trump Organization if prosecutors ask him to."

This may be potentially financially devastating to Trump's beloved Trump organization. 

[Jingthing]

37 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Man, that is just total bull.  If someone from any country wanted to buy one of his properties in the USA, he would gladly sell to them.  Which he has, on many occasions.  He would even employ illegals....which he has.  On many occasions.

Exactly. 

For the grifter is was never really America First.

It was always Trump first, last  and always.

I reckon he thinks the cult members that swallow his rhetoric are suckers and rubes.

[Jingthing]

41 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Give it up.  You and your cronies have ZERO evidence of any significant voter fraud.  If you do then post it for the world to see and you will be a forever hero in your tin hat kool aide cult.  Otherwise please don't waste anyone's time with all your absurd posts, theories, and BS.

They've got nothing but in Trumpist alternative facts world it doesn't matter.

[newnative]

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

yes I know. That's the problem. I don't trust these people and this process of "anything can happen after the polls close, it's settled etc..." is not good enough. This will sow seeds of distrust for millions of people and backfire on the Democrats eventually.

      I wonder who are 'these people' that you don't trust.  Voting by mail is nothing new; it's just being used more.  All 50 states have some mechanism in place for voters to vote without actually going to a physical polling place.  Nothing new there, either.   Voting absentee and by mail has never been a problem in the past with any election.  Trump decided to try to make it an issue with his blatant lies, which he continues to lie about to this day.   

      If someone chooses to believe his lies, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, well, nothing can be done about that.  I would suggest, however, that Republicans get with the program and embrace mail-in voting as it is not going away and it proved to be a big advantage to the Democrats in 2020.   Rather than trying to make it harder for Democrats to vote, they should focus on making it equally easier for Republicans to vote--they've got the advantage going for them with the cursed Electoral College that allows them to win even when they lose the popular vote--see the 2000 and 2016 elections.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, wombat said:

i'm curious why the same formulae used for inflation when Trump was in office wasn't used for Biden economics?

 It's true that formulas are changed every 2 years to reflect changes in patterns of consumption. But that happened during the Trump administration as well.

[KanchanaburiGuy]

On 8/17/2022 at 11:31 PM, NorthernRyland said:

all I know is that Trump was winning when I went to bed and when I woke up the election had swung. If I saw that pattern in another country I would assume it was fraud but there's this sense in the US that "it can't happen here, that's what happens in 3rd world countries" etc... I wouldn't put it past the regime in Washington of course.

 

Personally I don't see the point in voting with mail in ballots. You should get to vote during open hours while on video and when the polls close that's it. Count all the votes before everyone goes home and call it a day.

 

As it is now boxes of ballots can show up in the middle of the night, or whenever and we have to take their word they are valid. Americans don't trust the system enough at this point to conduct elections this way.

Listen, this sort of thing happens in sports all the time. First half, one team gets a big lead. They go into the locker room and the coach reminds them to not get discouraged:  "If they can go up by 20 points in one half, we can do the same to them in the second half, and more! Grrr!"

 

It is tacitly understood that if one guy can do it......... the other guy can do it, too! Sports are riddled with stories exactly like this: "The Big Comeback!"

 

Yes, at one point on election night, Trump had a big lead.

 

Did you assume that Trump achieving such a big early lead on was because he had cheated? No, of course not!

 

But when you see that Biden has done the exact same thing that Trump had done......... lots of votes on one side, not the other.......... that it MUST BE because he was cheating?

 

Think about how inconsistent that logic is..........

 

One guy proves it is possible. But when the other guy does the exact same thing, you accuse him of cheating?

 

Trump's "lead" proved it was possible for one candidate to get that many votes ahead, in a relatively short period of time.

 

Biden's "Big Comeback" merely proves it can work both ways. It doesn't even remotely prove that cheating occurred!

 

Golf -- Down by 6 to 8 strokes going into the final round, and win the tournament.

 

Football and Basketball -- Down by 20 points at halftime but still win the game.

 

Baseball -- Down by 7 to 9 runs going into the 8th, and win the game.

 

Boxing -- Pummeled and outboxed for 7 rounds, then deliver a knockout blow.

 

7-game Playoff Series -- Lose the first 2 or 3 games, then win the next four to win the Series.

 

------------------

 

These things happen all the time!

 

Yet no one accuses the person who got the big lead in the first place of cheating.......... and no one accuses the "comeback" player or team of cheating!

 

-----------------

 

As far as we know, Trump may have had his big lead........... only because he cheated!

 

Or......... we can be rational and reasonable, instead.........

 

We can assume that neither the "Big Lead"......... nor the "Comeback"......... were the result of cheating!

 

Heck......... maybe the truth is......... BOTH cheated......... and it all balanced out!

 

Hahahaha!

 

 

 

 

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

I can't see how a bunch of old white guys in Thailand would care about this nonsense.

Maybe it's because there are a lot of "old white guys in Thailand" (or elsewhere for that matter) who care about truth and honesty and would like to see a government in place that is for the people, rather than a government led by a grifter who is only in it for himself.

 

The "old white guys in Thailand" you speak of are probably not driven by the "WIIFM" (what's in it for me) mantra that the orange clown is, and just want to see fair play, honesty and accountability – – not too hard to understand is it!

[candide]

4 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

All anyone keeps saying is that it has been debunked. I didn't watch hours of court cases, how does this work? Tell me how can verify the signature and whether the ballot was actually sent before polls closed. There are millions of them to be accounted for and limited personal counting. 

 

And another thing if you can vote and have the election results changed overnight while you're sleeping this is disqualifying by itself. I'm not gonna waste time voting (I didn't vote in 2020 btw) if boxes of ballots can just  appear and I'm told to shut up for questioning where all these came from. Every election could be rigged going forward and we'll be told the question was settled in 2020 so shut and accept the results.

 

OK I've ranted enough. Mail in ballots are just one more reason you're a sucker for voting in US elections.

And as usual, what Trump says is not what he does! ???? 

Trump Votes By Mail (Again) Despite Months Of Voter Fraud Claims

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/03/09/trump-votes-by-mail-again-despite-months-of-voter-fraud-claims/?sh=4920957252da

[bannork]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Well, he got that right, at least.

 

Suckers and rubes, the poorly educated, the losers who fear competing in a world where just being a white male isn't enough anymore, and the kind of person who is so willfully ignorant or lost the Birth Lottery so badly that they think HRC and Tom Hanks control the world, rape, roast and eat babies.

 

Then there are the pure fascists, who hate democracy and would prefer the US has a dictator.

 

His base represents the worst the species has to offer, the most vile collection of miscreants and low lifes this side of Hell.

The deplorables.

[ozimoron]

14 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

all I know is that Trump was winning when I went to bed and when I woke up the election had swung. If I saw that pattern in another country I would assume it was fraud but there's this sense in the US that "it can't happen here, that's what happens in 3rd world countries" etc... I wouldn't put it past the regime in Washington of course.

 

Personally I don't see the point in voting with mail in ballots. You should get to vote during open hours while on video and when the polls close that's it. Count all the votes before everyone goes home and call it a day.

 

As it is now boxes of ballots can show up in the middle of the night, or whenever and we have to take their word they are valid. Americans don't trust the system enough at this point to conduct elections this way.

Was it your first election? You do know that every single election since the dawn of time has done the same thing? Dems have always favored mail in voting, which is why the GOP is trying so hard to run a false narrative that mail in voting is unsafe.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

Trump at least had the capacity to play hard ball with other countries.

Exchanging love letters with the nuclear-wielding fat boy and kissing Putin's butt in Helsinki did not look like hard ball to me.

You don't think Biden is playing hard ball with Russia in Ukraine? IMO Putin would disagree with you.

[Bkk Brian]

The beginning of the end for Trump, Justice Department issues a grand jury subpoena to the National Archives for Trump ‘s White House phone logs and daily schedule in the days leading up to January 6. 

 

Jan. 6 grand jury has subpoenaed White House documents

Federal prosecutors investigating the role that former President Donald Trump and his allies played in the events leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol have issued a grand jury subpoena to the National Archives for all the documents the agency provided to a parallel House select committee inquiry, according to a copy of the subpoena obtained by The New York Times.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/jan-6-grand-jury-has-subpoenaed-white-house-documents/?amp=1

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Listen, this sort of thing happens in sports all the time. First half, one team gets a big lead. They go into the locker room and the coach reminds them to not get discouraged:  "If they can go up by 20 points in one half, we can do the same to them in the second half, and more! Grrr!"

 

It is tacitly understood that if one guy can do it......... the other guy can do it, too! Sports are riddled with stories exactly like this: "The Big Comeback!"

 

Yes, at one point on election night, Trump had a big lead.

 

Did you assume that Trump achieving such a big early lead on was because he had cheated? No, of course not!

 

But when you see that Biden has done the exact same thing that Trump had done......... lots of votes on one side, not the other.......... that it MUST BE because he was cheating?

 

Think about how inconsistent that logic is..........

 

One guy proves it is possible. But when the other guy does the exact same thing, you accuse him of cheating?

 

Trump's "lead" proved it was possible for one candidate to get that many votes ahead, in a relatively short period of time.

 

Biden's "Big Comeback" merely proves it can work both ways. It doesn't even remotely prove that cheating occurred!

 

Golf -- Down by 6 to 8 strokes going into the final round, and win the tournament.

 

Football and Basketball -- Down by 20 points at halftime but still win the game.

 

Baseball -- Down by 7 to 9 runs going into the 8th, and win the game.

 

Boxing -- Pummeled and outboxed for 7 rounds, then deliver a knockout blow.

 

7-game Playoff Series -- Lose the first 2 or 3 games, then win the next four to win the Series.

 

------------------

 

These things happen all the time!

 

Yet no one accuses the person who got the big lead in the first place of cheating.......... and no one accuses the "comeback" player or team of cheating!

 

-----------------

 

As far as we know, Trump may have had his big lead........... only because he cheated!

 

Or......... we can be rational and reasonable, instead.........

 

We can assume that neither the "Big Lead"......... nor the "Comeback"......... were the result of cheating!

 

Heck......... maybe the truth is......... BOTH cheated......... and it all balanced out!

 

Hahahaha!

 

 

 

 

Has he gone?

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Listen, this sort of thing happens in sports all the time. First half, one team gets a big lead. They go into the locker room and the coach reminds them to not get discouraged:  "If they can go up by 20 points in one half, we can do the same to them in the second half, and more! Grrr!"

 

It is tacitly understood that if one guy can do it......... the other guy can do it, too! Sports are riddled with stories exactly like this: "The Big Comeback!"

 

Yes, at one point on election night, Trump had a big lead.

 

Did you assume that Trump achieving such a big early lead on was because he had cheated? No, of course not!

 

But when you see that Biden has done the exact same thing that Trump had done......... lots of votes on one side, not the other.......... that it MUST BE because he was cheating?

 

Think about how inconsistent that logic is..........

 

One guy proves it is possible. But when the other guy does the exact same thing, you accuse him of cheating?

 

Trump's "lead" proved it was possible for one candidate to get that many votes ahead, in a relatively short period of time.

 

Biden's "Big Comeback" merely proves it can work both ways. It doesn't even remotely prove that cheating occurred!

 

Golf -- Down by 6 to 8 strokes going into the final round, and win the tournament.

 

Football and Basketball -- Down by 20 points at halftime but still win the game.

 

Baseball -- Down by 7 to 9 runs going into the 8th, and win the game.

 

Boxing -- Pummeled and outboxed for 7 rounds, then deliver a knockout blow.

 

7-game Playoff Series -- Lose the first 2 or 3 games, then win the next four to win the Series.

 

------------------

 

These things happen all the time!

 

Yet no one accuses the person who got the big lead in the first place of cheating.......... and no one accuses the "comeback" player or team of cheating!

 

-----------------

 

As far as we know, Trump may have had his big lead........... only because he cheated!

 

Or......... we can be rational and reasonable, instead.........

 

We can assume that neither the "Big Lead"......... nor the "Comeback"......... were the result of cheating!

 

Heck......... maybe the truth is......... BOTH cheated......... and it all balanced out!

 

Hahahaha!

There's one big difference. Comebacks or collapses in sports aren't predictable. But a red shift or a blue shift in votes was absolutely predictable depending on whether mail-in ballots were pre-counted or left to be counted until after the polls closed.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The beginning of the end for Trump, Justice Department issues a grand jury subpoena to the National Archives for Trump ‘s White House phone logs and daily schedule in the days leading up to January 6. 

 

Jan. 6 grand jury has subpoenaed White House documents

Federal prosecutors investigating the role that former President Donald Trump and his allies played in the events leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol have issued a grand jury subpoena to the National Archives for all the documents the agency provided to a parallel House select committee inquiry, according to a copy of the subpoena obtained by The New York Times.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/jan-6-grand-jury-has-subpoenaed-white-house-documents/?amp=1

It's getting to where a man can't even plan an insurrection without the government poking into his affairs!  ????

[ozimoron]

"Have never come across a political force more nihilistic, dangerous, and contemptible than today’s Republicans," Luce wrote.

 

"I agree," Hayden wrote. "And I was CIA director."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-dangerous/

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Pence tells GOP to stop lashing out at FBI over Trump search

 

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Former Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday implored fellow Republicans to stop lashing out at the FBI over the search of Donald Trump’s Florida home and denounced calls by some of the former president’s allies to defund the FBI, saying that was “just as wrong” as a push by Democratic activists to shift money from police.

 

Pence also said he would give “due consideration” if asked to testify before the House committee investigating the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-new-hampshire-merrick-garland-government-and-politics-85619b0f18da0fb6eaba5bee4d0654f8

[candide]

This Timeline of Trumpworld Excuses Proves Mar-a-Lago Raid Week Was Even Stupider Than You Remember

 

https://news.yahoo.com/timeline-trumpworld-excuses-proves-mar-222200690.html

 

[EVENKEEL]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Well, he got that right, at least.

 

Suckers and rubes, the poorly educated, the losers who fear competing in a world where just being a white male isn't enough anymore, and the kind of person who is so willfully ignorant or lost the Birth Lottery so badly that they think HRC and Tom Hanks control the world, rape, roast and eat babies.

 

Then there are the pure fascists, who hate democracy and would prefer the US has a dictator.

 

His base represents the worst the species has to offer, the most vile collection of miscreants and low lifes this side of Hell.

Take a breather. Very emotional response. Do you believe in hell?

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Exactly. 

For the grifter is was never really America First.

It was always Trump first, last  and always.

I reckon he thinks the cult members that swallow his rhetoric are suckers and rubes.

In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, why would he think any differently?

[LosLobo]

Putin World Declares ‘Our Agent Trump’ Is Irreversibly Screwed!

 

“[Trump could be declared] a Russian spy... Will we try to exchange him to bring Trump to Russia? Will they include Trump on the prisoner exchange list?” 

 

Russian State Media Declares ‘Our Agent’ Donald Trump Is Irreversibly Screwed (thedailybeast.com)

[Bkk Brian]

Some disturbing reports of whats being spread on Trump's Truth Social with private addresses being revealed

 

Trump’s Site Is Being Weaponized Against the FBI — and Their Families

And Trump himself is casting doubt about a recent attack on an FBI building, floating the idea that the attacker just wanted to make MAGA supporters look bad.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-truth-social-fbi-mar-a-lago-violence-1397317/

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Some disturbing reports of whats being spread on Trump's Truth Social with private addresses being revealed

 

Trump’s Site Is Being Weaponized Against the FBI — and Their Families

And Trump himself is casting doubt about a recent attack on an FBI building, floating the idea that the attacker just wanted to make MAGA supporters look bad.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-truth-social-fbi-mar-a-lago-violence-1397317/

 

 

From the link

"Trump supporters have spent the past week doxxing both Judge Bruce Reinhart, the magistrate judge who approved the Mar-a-Lago warrant, and an FBI agent involved in preparing the request, as well as their families. The information includes their purported home addresses, phone numbers, places of worship, private offices, and similar information about the men’s families and junior employees"

 

It stinks fascism!

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

From the link

"Trump supporters have spent the past week doxxing both Judge Bruce Reinhart, the magistrate judge who approved the Mar-a-Lago warrant, and an FBI agent involved in preparing the request, as well as their families. The information includes their purported home addresses, phone numbers, places of worship, private offices, and similar information about the men’s families and junior employees"

 

It stinks fascism!

Hilary was right!

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

From the link

"Trump supporters have spent the past week doxxing both Judge Bruce Reinhart, the magistrate judge who approved the Mar-a-Lago warrant, and an FBI agent involved in preparing the request, as well as their families. The information includes their purported home addresses, phone numbers, places of worship, private offices, and similar information about the men’s families and junior employees"

 

It stinks fascism!

Thoroughly disgusting. Also alot of the attacks on the judge are antisemitic. I guess they don't realize Garland is Jewish too.

 

https://www.jta.org/2022/08/10/politics/the-judge-who-signed-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-warrant-is-facing-violent-antisemitic-threats

[Phoenix Rising]

27 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Thoroughly disgusting. Also alot of the attacks on the judge are antisemitic. I guess they don't realize Garland is Jewish too.

 

https://www.jta.org/2022/08/10/politics/the-judge-who-signed-the-fbis-mar-a-lago-warrant-is-facing-violent-antisemitic-threats

As we're talking about the MAGA devotees it'd surprise me if there weren't a massive amount of attacks like this. This bunch of [what Hillary said] is an unholy mix of racists, sexist, facist filth all egged on by their orange boy and I expect lots of attack (physical and otherwise) against their percieved enemies.

And what are the GOP members in Congress saying? Not much at all, the spineless maggots.

[Bkk Brian]

The Trumps are now totally delusional.

 

Eric Trump: Republican Party Is Now the Trump Party

 

Following the result in which Hageman took at least 66.3 percent of the vote, to Cheney's 28.9 percent, the former president's second eldest son was asked on conservative channel Newsmax whether the Republican Party was now the "party of Trump."

 

"There's no question. I mean, it's not even the Republican Party. I'd say it's actually the Trump party," he said on Wednesday.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/eric-trump-republicans-gop-newsmax-donald-trump-cheney-1734727

[KanchanaburiGuy]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

There's one big difference. Comebacks or collapses in sports aren't predictable. But a red shift or a blue shift in votes was absolutely predictable depending on whether mail-in ballots were pre-counted or left to be counted until after the polls closed.

You might want to double check that.

 

In Pennsylvania and Michigan.......... two of the States with the most questionable "comebacks".......... neither allows counting of mail-in and absentee ballots before election day. So there ARE NO "pre-counts" to contrast with post-ballot-closing counts, for those States. ALL the mail-in and absentee ballots in those States were left uncounted until election day. Both States require walk-in ballots be counted before mail-in and absentee ballots get counted.

 

So, if you want your claim to be believed, you're gonna have to back it up with something. Cuz when I went looking, all I could really find was that ~2/3 of States don't even allow "pre-counting."

 

https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_absentee/mail-in_ballots,_2020

 

If roughly 2/3 don't even allow "pre-counting".......... it's not really even possible to do the kind of compare-and-contrast you have described.

 

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[peterfranks]

30 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

There's one big difference. Comebacks or collapses in sports aren't predictable. But a red shift or a blue shift in votes was absolutely predictable depending on whether mail-in ballots were pre-counted or left to be counted until after the polls closed.

You might want to double check that.

 

In Pennsylvania and Michigan.......... two of the States with the most questionable "comebacks".......... neither allows counting of mail-in and absentee ballots before election day. So there ARE NO "pre-counts" to contrast with post-ballot-closing counts, for those States. ALL the mail-in and absentee ballots in those States were left uncounted until election day. Both States require walk-in ballots be counted before mail-in and absentee ballots get counted.

Do you realize you have just confirmed the ridiculousness of your earlier claim?