Justice Department makes redacted Mar-a-Lago affidavit public

[Longwood50]

19 hours ago, billd766 said:

Why do you keep asking questions of the people on the forum? They know as much as you know.

 

Very simple, you made the point that the subpoenas are usually hidden.  I don't think that is true.  

Hint" there may be an attorney from the USA on this forum who would definitively know that answer. DUH. 

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Not only did she have classified information, it was current since she was serving as Sec. of State.  

Further she shared that information with the people who were servicing her server ANOTHER VIOLATION

She also gave access to Huma Abedin her aide which who did not have classified clearance. 

Huma forwarded the contents of the server to her husband Anthony Weiner (the person convicted of sending sexually explicit photo's to minors)  

That was also a crime by Huma

ALL THE CLINTON PEOPEL WERE GIVEN IMMUNITY

They included but not limited to  her lawyer Cheryl Mills, Human Abedin and Paul Combetta who worked on Clinton Server and deleted the emails. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/three-more-hillary-clinton-witnesses-were-given-immunity-by-fbi

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-on-her-private-server-wrote-104-emails-the-government-says-are-classified/2016/03/05/11e2ee06-dbd6-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html

 

Emails, not actual documents....your hero the Donald had actual stamped TS classified documents in hand....try again.

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Just now, ThailandRyan said:

Emails, not actual documents....your hero the Donald had actual stamped TS classified documents in hand....try again.

And he lied about having no more in his possession. Cooperation goes a long way in these kind of cases. So does lying, but in the opposite direction.

[Longwood50]

8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Emails, not actual documents....your hero the Donald had actual stamped TS classified documents in hand....try again.

A distinction without a difference.  CLASSIFIED IS CLASSIFIED. 

Also we don't know if those classified emails had any attachments or does that make a difference if the Russians who hacked her computer had to print it out. 

TRY AGAIN. 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Longwood50

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Very simple, you made the point that the subpoenas are usually hidden.  I don't think that is true.  

Hint" there may be an attorney from the USA on this forum who would definitively know that answer. DUH. 

I answered your question above, beyond me why you still deflect.  It was a warrant which served to obtain the information and which was issued based upon a declaration of probable cause called an affidavit.  A subpoena is something one is served, could be a defendant, a witness, or someone associated with a case like the arresting officer ordering them to appear in court, or for a legal hearing with a Grand Jury.  You really need to review your understanding of certain legal terms. A subpoena is not hidden, but the affidavit written by an affiant who goes to the judge with the probable cause information, which can list an informant etc... is kept sealed until the case has been brought to trial, at which time it will be turned over to the defense during what is called Discovery.  Now I have given you many words to look up and to help you understand a little more about the true legal system and not the spin your hero who you adore is trying to spin his way to deflect, much like you are still doing.

[ThailandRyan]

9 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

A distinction without a difference.  CLASSIFIED IS CLASSIFIED. 

Also we don't know if those classified emails had any attachments or does that make a difference if the Russians who hacked her computer had to print it out. 

TRY AGAIN. 

Your confused my friend, very confused. an email document is not a stamped and held under lock and key document which is for certain people with certain security clearances to review, "For Your Eyes Only" is how we referred to an e-mail which shared some pieces of classified information and although you want to go off topic and deflect I will leave you with this Tidbit.....A case can be brought forth at anytime if the evidence points to a crime that the DOJ wishes to charge.  Your Donald had documents in his possession, which he had no right to have even if declassified and should have been in the National Archives under lock and key.  If unclassified then you or anyone else can, under the "Freedom of Information Act", request a copy of the declassified document if and only if you can show a demonstrated need. Yet you still fail to understand any of this.  Do some research and then get back to me.... 

Edited August 29, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Longwood50]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I answered your question above, beyond me why you still deflect.  It was a warrant which served to obtain the information and which was issued based upon a declaration of probable cause called an affidavit.

Yes and I answered yours,  I don't think you are correct that a subpoena is routinely blacked out and only disclosed at trial. 

If what you say is true, why conceal the 'name" of the perons but not the content.  

Instead they are trying to conceal any predicate.  Also, subpoenas are to be very specific as to what the authorities are looking for and where they can look.  I doubt Melania's closet was stuffed like Sandy Bergers pants with classified material.

Also you stated that Hillary Clinton's classified were emails.  So I guess if Trump had an aide like Huma Abedin had all those classified documents scanned and put into PDF files and emailed to him, then that would be ok then.  HUH? 

[Longwood50]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

10 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

A distinction without a difference.  CLASSIFIED IS CLASSIFIED. 

Also we don't know if those classified emails had any attachments or does that make a difference if the Russians who hacked her computer had to print it out. 

TRY AGAIN. 

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Your confused my friend, very confused. an email document is not a stamped and held under lock and key document which is for certain people with certain security clearances to review, "For Your Eyes Only

Can you tell me the FOR YOUR EYES ONLY that was stamped on the sailors digital photo of the area he worked in on the nuclear submarine that he shared with no one, not even via an email? 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Yes and I answered yours,  I don't think you are correct that a subpoena is routinely blacked out and only disclosed at trial. 

If what you say is true, why conceal the 'name" of the perons but not the content.  

Instead they are trying to conceal any predicate.  Also, subpoenas are to be very specific as to what the authorities are looking for and where they can look.  I doubt Melania's closet was stuffed like Sandy Bergers pants with classified material.

Also you stated that Hillary Clinton's classified were emails.  So I guess if Trump had an aide like Huma Abedin had all those classified documents scanned and put into PDF files and emailed to him, then that would be ok then.  HUH? 

Are you being serious? They did not serve Trump with a subpoena, they served him with a warrant. This warrant was backed by an affidavit.  

[ThailandRyan]

17 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Yes and I answered yours,  I don't think you are correct that a subpoena is routinely blacked out and only disclosed at trial. 

If what you say is true, why conceal the 'name" of the perons but not the content.  

Instead they are trying to conceal any predicate.  Also, subpoenas are to be very specific as to what the authorities are looking for and where they can look.  I doubt Melania's closet was stuffed like Sandy Bergers pants with classified material.

Also you stated that Hillary Clinton's classified were emails.  So I guess if Trump had an aide like Huma Abedin had all those classified documents scanned and put into PDF files and emailed to him, then that would be ok then.  HUH? 

Listen slowly sir "a subpoena is not an affidavit".  An affidavit is rarely every allowed to be unsealed and released prior to a defendant being arrested, charged and arraigned in a court of law.  Trump has not been charged, has not been arrested, and no arraignment hearing has been held.  The case is still being built as more and more evidence is being collected.

 

Why in this case the Judge who signed the WARRANT, which was served on the Mar-A-Lago residence, not a Subpoena, allowed the AFFIDAVIT to be unsealed.  This in itself is truly a mystery as Affidavit's are sealed until someone has been arrested, charged, and taken to court for a pre-hearing trial called an arraignment at which time the charges will be read out and the defendant charged in court and an actual trial scheduled.  Between the pre-trail arraignment hearing and the actual trial both sides will have to provide, that is BOTH sides, defense and prosecution, discovery of everything they have and under the Discovery act, must provide the opposing counsel with all evidence requested.  This is when the Defense will obtain the Affidavit, which many times in my cases was enough to have the defense request a meeting to discuss a reduction in charges and time if the defendant pleaded guilty to some or all of the charges ,at which time the other charges would be dropped, but then this would only be done in the courtroom in front of the Judge hearing the case and who would authorize the guilty plea by the defendant.  Very few cases every truly went to trial in my career, most were settled before an actual trial would be undertaken.

 

Again your still deflecting as this is about Trump, and not the other individual you keep dragging into the OP.

Edited August 29, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

A distinction without a difference.  CLASSIFIED IS CLASSIFIED. 

Also we don't know if those classified emails had any attachments or does that make a difference if the Russians who hacked her computer had to print it out. 

TRY AGAIN. 

A distinction without a difference?

 

If Hillary Clinton were caught driving 50 in a 45 zone and Donald Trump were caught driving 150 in a 45 zone, would you insist SPEEDING IS SPEEDING and make no distinction between the severity of the offenses?

 

As I've explained before; the classified on Hillary Clinton's emails consisted of references to classified information, in which the references were also classified but of little use without additional information.  This happens often in offices where everybody works with classified information.  It is an infraction of security rules, but counseling, training or an administrative reprimand are the common responses.  No one has ever been criminally prosecuted for unintended disclosures of this nature. 

 

Donald Trump illegally possessed actual documents marked at higher levels of classification than anything in Hillary Clinton's emails.  And, in a demonstration of staggering stupidity, he refused to return them.  That isn't an inadvertent infraction, that is blowing through all security regulations with an arrogant disregard for the consequences.

[ozimoron]

41 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

A distinction without a difference.  CLASSIFIED IS CLASSIFIED. 

Also we don't know if those classified emails had any attachments or does that make a difference if the Russians who hacked her computer had to print it out. 

TRY AGAIN. 

Are you trying to tell us that there's no difference between classified and top secret? As I recall the FBI didn't subpoena Clinton to get those documents back, much less have to "raid". Which government agency filed an affidavit of complaint against Clinton?

Edited August 29, 2022 by ozimoron

[Eric Loh]

Lindsey Graham’s mobster threat. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3619050-graham-predicts-riots-in-the-streets-if-trump-prosecuted-over-classified-docs/

[riclag]

23 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

It is "reported" that all the former presidents have some classified information in their homes.  But I guess we will never know for sure because in the 250 years since the USA declared its independence Trump is the ONLY president it was ever deemed necessary to serve a search warrant on. 

Also omitted from the news reports was that there were ongoing negotiations with the Trump representatives over the documents.  Trump's lawyers had served a rebuttal challenging the governments claim to them.  THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MATTER FOR THE CIVIL COURTS to adjudicate.  

However the Democrats wanted the public spectacle.  

Brilliant !  Just goes to show   the agency and Trumps lawyers were negotiating for these docs! 
 

When it comes to 45 the feeble left would have you believe that the former POTUS while in office stole these docs ! Imop

“All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/

Edited August 29, 2022 by riclag

[johnnybangkok]

55 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Yes and I answered yours,  I don't think you are correct that a subpoena is routinely blacked out and only disclosed at trial. 

If what you say is true, why conceal the 'name" of the perons but not the content.  

Instead they are trying to conceal any predicate.  Also, subpoenas are to be very specific as to what the authorities are looking for and where they can look.  I doubt Melania's closet was stuffed like Sandy Bergers pants with classified material.

Also you stated that Hillary Clinton's classified were emails.  So I guess if Trump had an aide like Huma Abedin had all those classified documents scanned and put into PDF files and emailed to him, then that would be ok then.  HUH? 

You're really not doing very well here are you? This has been explained to you several times now by individuals who are MUCH more knowledgeable than yourself but like your hero Trump, you just keep digging. 

Please get yourself aquanted with the definitions of the subjects you are commenting on. This having to explain it all again and again is really getting very tedious.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Brilliant !  Just goes to show   the agency and Trumps lawyers were negotiating for these docs! 
 

When it comes to 45 the feeble left would have you believe that the former POTUS while in office stole these docs ! Imop

“All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/

Did those presidents refuse to comply with a subpoena? Was one even served? Were any of the retrieved documents marked top secret? Email and telephone accounts don't seem to have the same import as top secret documents.

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Brilliant !  Just goes to show   the agency and Trumps lawyers were negotiating for these docs! 
 

When it comes to 45 the feeble left would have you believe that the former POTUS while in office stole these docs ! Imop

“All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/

Show me where former POTUS's have taken TS Classified documents.  For over a year the National Archives had been in talks to retrieve the documents, of which your hero "The Donald" though his attorney claimed all of the documents had been returned, yet obviously he had not....How much negotiating has to go on before in your view a warrant should be served to obtain the classified documents?  If you had a car and failed to make your payments, and the bank had tried to negotiate with you in good faith to make the payments or return the car, and you continued to obstruct, resist or delay the procedure, would you not expect your car to be repossessed. 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Lindsey Graham’s mobster threat. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3619050-graham-predicts-riots-in-the-streets-if-trump-prosecuted-over-classified-docs/

What do you know, Trump has shared the video of Lindsey Graham in the interview where he says this on "Truth Social"

 

BREAKING: Donald Trump shares a video on “Truth Social” of MAGA Senator Lindsey Graham predicting “riots in the street” if Trump is prosecuted — a blatant effort from Trump to encourage political violence.

[riclag]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What do you know, Trump has shared the video of Lindsey Graham in the interview where he says this on "Truth Social"

 

BREAKING: Donald Trump shares a video on “Truth Social” of MAGA Senator Lindsey Graham predicting “riots in the street” if Trump is prosecuted — a blatant effort from Trump to encourage political violence.

Conspiracy theory run a muck,

graham predicting   Vs  a claim of encouraging political violence.

 

[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, riclag said:

Brilliant !  Just goes to show   the agency and Trumps lawyers were negotiating for these docs! 
 

When it comes to 45 the feeble left would have you believe that the former POTUS while in office stole these docs ! Imop

“All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/

Funny, your source doesn't mention anything about classified having to be retrieved, or indicate that past Presidents presented any reluctance to fulfill requests for the return of the documents.

[riclag]

29 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Did those presidents refuse to comply with a subpoena? Was one even served? Were any of the retrieved documents marked top secret? Email and telephone accounts don't seem to have the same import as top secret documents.

Not relevant ! Longwood made a broad stroke claim im merely 

backing him up with a source

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

Conspiracy theory run a muck,

graham predicting   Vs  a claim of encouraging political violence.

 

Came true on Jan 6th, came true when they incited violence on the FBI, that's all the cult have left now, cause as much damage as possible

[ThailandRyan]

19 minutes ago, riclag said:

Conspiracy theory run a muck,

graham predicting   Vs  a claim of encouraging political violence.

 

And yet if and when it does occur who will you say created the riot and the destruction? Graham or Trump or both. Looks like if it happens then both can be charged, as in conspiracy to commit insurrection etc...., not a conspiracy theory.

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On 8/29/2022 at 3:32 PM, riclag said:

Brilliant !  Just goes to show   the agency and Trumps lawyers were negotiating for these docs! 
 

When it comes to 45 the feeble left would have you believe that the former POTUS while in office stole these docs ! Imop

“All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office”.

https://www.washi

On 8/29/2022 at 3:32 PM, riclag said:

Brilliant !  Just goes to show   the agency and Trumps lawyers were negotiating for these docs! 
 

When it comes to 45 the feeble left would have you believe that the former POTUS while in office stole these docs ! Imop

“All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/

ngtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/

You didn't note this paragraph:

"But personnel familiar with recent administrations said the Trump era stands apart in the scale of the records retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. One person familiar with the transfer characterized it as “out of the ordinary. … NARA has never had that kind of volume transfer after the fact like this.”

 

And you'll note it says "administrations". It doesn't say Presidents.

 

It did note that Bill and Hillary had to return gifts they shouldn't have taken. What the article didn't note was that Trump violated the law by by not submitting a report about what foreign gifts had been given to the White House. So I guess we'll never know what gifts he helped himself to.

[ThailandRyan]

28 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Came true on Jan 6th, came true when they incited violence on the FBI, that's all the cult have left now, cause as much damage as possible

You can see that the 4everTrumpers just find truth laughable, actually pretty sad that folks can believe the rhetoric spouted from someone whose life was built on lies such as "The Donald", I can not even come to call him a former POTUS based on his rants.  At least someone who caused an issue in the 70's and resigned stayed Presidential in his day to day life, Trump has never acted Presidential in any way shape or form, but then that is my View.

 

And on cue a laughing emoji appears out of thin air...

Edited August 29, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Eric Loh]

On 8/29/2022 at 4:01 PM, riclag said:

Conspiracy theory run a muck,

graham predicting   Vs  a claim of encouraging political violence.

 

He said “ . “If there is a prosecution of Donald Trump for mishandling classified information after the Clinton debacle… there’ll be riots in the streets,” That is as direct as you can possibly can say. Prosecute Trump and there’ll be riots in the streets. Incendiary language in a highly charged and volatile atmosphere. Irresponsible behavior and thuggery in demeanor.

 

[riclag]

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He said “ . “If there is a prosecution of Donald Trump for mishandling classified information after the Clinton debacle… there’ll be riots in the streets,” That is as direct as you can possibly can say. Prosecute Trump and there’ll be riots in the streets. Incendiary language in a highly charged and volatile atmosphere. Irresponsible behavior and thuggery in demeanor.

 

It was reported as a Prediction ,  !

it certainly wasn’t being reported As a mobster threat nor encouraging political violence,  like you have said or that others have claimed without evidence ! You and others would do yourself justice if you use the opinion other than provoking others into something that its not!

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4 minutes ago, riclag said:

It was reported as a Prediction ,  !

it certainly wasn’t being reported As a mobster threat nor encouraging political violence,  like you have said or that others have claimed without evidence ! You and others would do yourself justice if you use the opinion other than provoking others into something that its not!

Trump makes inflammatory statements and then asks if there's anything he can to do calm things down. Because it's not obvious that making inflammatory statements is not the way to calm things down? And to go on making such statements is not the way to calm things down?

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, riclag said:

It was reported as a Prediction ,  !

it certainly wasn’t being reported As a mobster threat nor encouraging political violence,  like you have said or that others have claimed without evidence ! You and others would do yourself justice if you use the opinion other than provoking others into something that its not!

You would also do yourself a little justice and realise it was a dark and threatening prediction

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Very simple, you made the point that the subpoenas are usually hidden.  I don't think that is true.  

Hint" there may be an attorney from the USA on this forum who would definitively know that answer. DUH. 

It is very simple and much more simple than you believe.

 

What you have is only your opinion.

 

The Justice Department and the AG have far more knowledge of the law than you and certainly I do. They make the decision based on the facts presented, and NOT on thoughts or opinions of people without the full knowledge of what is happening full time.

 

quote "Hint" there may be an attorney from the USA on this forum who would definitively know that answer. DUH."

 

Who is this un-named person that you are hinting about. He certainly does not seem to appear on this forum giving his advice.

 

Perhaps he realises that you are wrong and is too polite to correct you.

 

There are several posters on this forum and this thread who have many years of experience with the Justice Department and Law enforcement but you refuse to accept what they say simply because it does not agree with your bias.

 

Now I can accept that, if you have as much if not more knowledge and experience as they do, but I don't think that you have any at all, do you.

 

I rarely see any links from you , only your thoughts and opinions and they are worth as much as mine.