Enoch Powell, he wasnt wrong in his forecast !

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your post is still a available, and I’ve made my comment on it, you acknowledged my response.

 

No need for you to try to keep it afloat.

 

Now back to topic.

 

I was in the UK this summer, never spotted a single immigrant wielding ‘the whip hand’, can’t say I recognized anything to be true in Powell’s racist diatribe.

You first mentioned that I was "bitter" about something .

I asked you what you thought I was "bitter" about and you never responded and I left it at that .

   You then again suggested I was "bitter" and once again I asked you what I was "bitter" about and once again you haven't stated .

   So, next time you make the suggestion that I am "bitter" , please explain as to why you keep saying that   

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again, I don’t watch your videos.

 

I’ve explained this multiple times to you. 
 

So in effect, your input here should be ignored if you will not look at the facts. In a UK court of law all the facts are taken into consideration, and guess what has been a lifesaver...CCTV, video...

 

Yes, CCTV, it is, guess what, captured videos to prove points, the thing you will not look at.....Crazy stuff...????

 

I bet you watched the videos of Enoch Powell's speech though...????

[CharlieH]

Posts with the same video repeated have been edited please do not repost the same content repetatively.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

So in effect, your input here should be ignored if you will not look at the facts. In a UK court of law all the facts are taken into consideration, and guess what has been a lifesaver...CCTV, video...

 

Yes, CCTV, it is, guess what, captured videos to prove points, the thing you will not look at.....Crazy stuff...????

 

I bet you watched the videos of Enoch Powell's speech though...????

Not at all, I have up to date first hand experience of being in the UK, it’s not the kind of knowledge available from watching videos.

 

I have explained this to you multiple times.

 

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From my first hand and very recent experience I do not recognize any of Enoch Powell’s racist predictions to be present in the UK.

 

I found the UK to be peaceful, friendly and blessed with a remarkable sense of community.

 

People from all kids of backgrounds struggling with multiple government failure but doing their best and many, from all kinds of backgrounds, taking time and making an effort to help others less fortunate than themselves.

 

Nothing at all like Enoch Powell’s racist diatribe predicted.

[Mac Mickmanus]

58 minutes ago, transam said:

Tell me is, this video on UK Sharia Law in the UK real, a fear of Enoch's...?

 

Although the UK Sharia law Courts are for two freely consenting Muslims to settle minor disputes between themselves .

   The outcome isn't legally binding in the U.K and it doesn't supersede UK law .

  Everything needs to be within the UK law

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19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although the UK Sharia law Courts are for two freely consenting Muslims to settle minor disputes between themselves .

   The outcome isn't legally binding in the U.K and it doesn't supersede UK law .

  Everything needs to be within the UK law

Well, it also includes religious divorce. But basically, their decisions don't have the force of law. In fact, Hasidic Jews have similar courts. Both courts can make life miserable for women seeking divorce. But actually, in theory at least, Hasidic courts are worse. In Islamic court, the husband doesn't have to be present for the woman to get a divorce. Whereas in Hasidic courts he does.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, it also includes religious divorce. But basically, their decisions don't have the force of law. In fact, Hasidic Jews have similar courts. Both courts can make life miserable for women seeking divorce. But actually, in theory at least, Hasidic courts are worse. In Islamic court, the husband doesn't have to be present for the woman to get a divorce. Whereas in Hasidic courts he does.

That’s specifics of each, but M Mc is correct, religious laws/courts are private settlements between consenting adults, if either is not happy with the outcome they can take their case to the national courts AND the religious courts may not infringe the UK’s human rights laws/treaties.

 

I’d personally like to see this taken a bit further, as in France, where all religious law settlements, including marriage, are permitted but only binding and legally accepted when ratified by a national law judge/magistrate.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s specifics of each, but M Mc is correct, religious laws/courts are private settlements between consenting adults, if either is not happy with the outcome they can take their case to the national courts AND the religious courts may not infringe the UK’s human rights laws/treaties.

 

I’d personally like to see this taken a bit further, as in France, where all religious law settlements, including marriage, are permitted but only binding and legally accepted when ratified by a national law judge/magistrate.

 

 

That may be true in France but in the UK a religious marriage is not in the remit of the government. Only the civil aspect of the marriage is.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That may be true in France but in the UK a religious marriage is not in the remit of the government. Only the civil aspect of the marriage is.

Which is a change I, and many others, would welcome.

 

I believe the historical reason is the Church was marrying people before the state existed.

 

In France they had an ‘out with the old, in with the new’ thing.

[Rimmer]

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[NanLaew]

15 hours ago, transam said:

...folk with roots of another country

AKA British citizens of a different ethnicity. It's their home as much as it's yours so they can give the police a hard time same as the British citizens of the "native British ethnicity" can. There's plenty white ghettos where cops only go in pairs. Most every major city council still have their 'affordable housing' estates where their own mainly white dole collectors and benefits breeders are corralled.

 

12 hours ago, transam said:

Thankfully, I am not there.................????

Ah, OK. So you're NOT in Bradford.

 

Thought so.

 

12 hours ago, transam said:

Neeeeeeh, not blinkered, just been trotting around the UK for a long time,

You have? When?

 

Never mind. You can go ahead and answer that with another cherry-picked YouTube of an incident that happened in a place you've never been and claim it's validation of the subject matter.

 

Enoch Powell never had a vision of the future no matter how many times you say so. Now you can go ahead and believe it with all your might. No problem with that. That's your right just as it's my right to believe otherwise.

 

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although the UK Sharia law Courts are for two freely consenting Muslims to settle minor disputes between themselves .

   The outcome isn't legally binding in the U.K and it doesn't supersede UK law .

  Everything needs to be within the UK law

So @transam is (still) barking up the wrong tree?

 

Thought so.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by NanLaew

[Chomper Higgot]

The anti immigrant camp can’t keep the British public from opening their hearts to people from different cultures.

 

Enoch Powell’s message of hate and fear was wrong, the ‘whip hand’ he referred to turned out to be wielding a ‘cream whisk’ and the British public loved the ‘whisker’, almost 15 million following her on TV.

 

From mum doing some home baking, to much loved TV personality.

 

The racist Enoch Powell got it completely wrong.

 

He, his admirers and defenders blinded by racism to the vast majority of good stories.

 

Here’s just one example, of integration and contribution to a better UK, there are millions more.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/world/europe/muslim-winner-of-baking-contest-defies-prejudice-in-britain.html

[proton]

Yup the great mans prediction of cities being over run with cultures having nothing to do with ours and refusing to integrate was so wrong- my home area foe example ????

 

[transam]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although the UK Sharia law Courts are for two freely consenting Muslims to settle minor disputes between themselves .

   The outcome isn't legally binding in the U.K and it doesn't supersede UK law .

  Everything needs to be within the UK law

I know, my point is regarding the OP, his fears, and they are trying it, trying to bring THEIR laws into the UK, and actually have them in the UK...

[transam]

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

AKA British citizens of a different ethnicity. It's their home as much as it's yours so they can give the police a hard time same as the British citizens of the "native British ethnicity" can. There's plenty white ghettos where cops only go in pairs. Most every major city council still have their 'affordable housing' estates where their own mainly white dole collectors and benefits breeders are corralled.

 

Ah, OK. So you're NOT in Bradford.

 

Thought so.

 

You have? When?

 

Never mind. You can go ahead and answer that with another cherry-picked YouTube of an incident that happened in a place you've never been and claim it's validation of the subject matter.

 

Enoch Powell never had a vision of the future no matter how many times you say so. Now you can go ahead and believe it with all your might. No problem with that. That's your right just as it's my right to believe otherwise.

 

So @transam is (still) barking up the wrong tree?

 

Thought so.

 

 

You must have spent a long time putting that together, now come on, was it worth it.............????.............................????

[proton]

27 minutes ago, transam said:

I know, my point is regarding the OP, his fears, and they are trying it, trying to bring THEIR laws into the UK, and actually have them in the UK...

Thin end of the wedge, Muslims are always pushing for more. Azan from the Mosques, first once a day, permission given then several times a day, agree to keep the volume down which after a few months is full blast, anyone complaining is an islamaphobe of course. They wanted halal meals in schools, then it was hijabs for girls, they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated. It's all take and no give with them they want to recreate the hell holes they came from in the UK, and have done a pretty good job.

[transam]

1 minute ago, proton said:

Thin end of the wedge, Muslims are always pushing for more. Azan from the Mosques, first once a day, permission given then several times a day, agree to keep the volume down which after a few months is full blast, anyone complaining is an islamaphobe of course. They wanted halal meals in schools, then it was hijabs for girls, they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated. It's all take and no give with them they want to recreate the hell holes they came from in the UK, and have done a pretty good job.

There's a bloke here that ignores all that stuff, or, he is OK with all that stuff.....????

[Kwasaki]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

There's a bloke here that ignores all that stuff, or, he is OK with all that stuff.....????

Well Muslims are only doing what they are taught to do and believe in.

i.e. it is the only true religion and will take over the world.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, proton said:

Thin end of the wedge, Muslims are always pushing for more. Azan from the Mosques, first once a day, permission given then several times a day, agree to keep the volume down which after a few months is full blast, anyone complaining is an islamaphobe of course. They wanted halal meals in schools, then it was hijabs for girls, they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated. It's all take and no give with them they want to recreate the hell holes they came from in the UK, and have done a pretty good job.

Loudspeakers calls rom Mosques are subjected to the same noise abatement laws as every other noise and the Azam noise is restricted to either completely banned or only allowed at certain times , not too dissimilar to Churches ringing their bells .

   "they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated" : Are you aware that the U.K already has gender based schools and has done for hundreds of years ? Boys and girls schools are normal in the UK .

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Loudspeakers calls rom Mosques are subjected to the same noise abatement laws as every other noise and the Azam noise is restricted to either completely banned or only allowed at certain times , not too dissimilar to Churches ringing their bells .

   "they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated" : Are you aware that the U.K already has gender based schools and has done for hundreds of years ? Boys and girls schools are normal in the UK .

My boy's schools are both now mixed, I missed out................????

[proton]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Loudspeakers calls rom Mosques are subjected to the same noise abatement laws as every other noise and the Azam noise is restricted to either completely banned or only allowed at certain times , not too dissimilar to Churches ringing their bells .

   "they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated" : Are you aware that the U.K already has gender based schools and has done for hundreds of years ? Boys and girls schools are normal in the UK .

In theory the racket is regulated but widely ignored and nothing is done about it, several times a day is nothing in comparison to church bells. Trying to get gender mixed comprehensives to separated to accommodate their religious is not normal.

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, proton said:

In theory the racket is regulated but widely ignored and nothing is done about it, several times a day is nothing in comparison to church bells. Trying to get gender mixed comprehensives to separated to accommodate their religious is not normal.

Where in the U.K do Mosque calls sound five times a day every day  and how many U.K Schools have gone gender specific due to requests from Muslims ?

[proton]

38 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Where in the U.K do Mosque calls sound five times a day every day  and how many U.K Schools have gone gender specific due to requests from Muslims ?

Leicester, I did not say schools had caved in to gender specific, I said they had pressed for it. Another thing they did in the area of Spinney hills park is campaign to get pubs closed down on the grounds of this is a family area, meaning muslim family area. Of the four pubs round there, and this is before covid, none are now open. They had a problem with the Mount Zion as that was a black pub, but last time I looked it was earmarked to be knocked down for housing, I wonder who for!

 

Used to hang out every week for years at the mount zion then called the Burlington in the 80's My mate Lincoln was Emille Heskey's uncle, Emille was about 8 when Lincoln told me he would play for Leicester and England one day. Sadly his football judgement was far better than his religious one- he converted, or as they like to say, reconverted to Islam. If you saw him on the street he would not answer to his old name but just walk by. Told me that islam was the original religion in Africa, oblivious to the fact christianity was there 600 years before Mo was born and unaware that he owned black African slave, like so many converts, ignorant of what he got himself into.

Edited September 7, 2022 by proton

[johnnybangkok]

6 hours ago, proton said:

Thin end of the wedge, Muslims are always pushing for more. Azan from the Mosques, first once a day, permission given then several times a day, agree to keep the volume down which after a few months is full blast, anyone complaining is an islamaphobe of course. They wanted halal meals in schools, then it was hijabs for girls, they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated. It's all take and no give with them they want to recreate the hell holes they came from in the UK, and have done a pretty good job.

I had a similar situation in my home town where a couple of schools insisted on seperating the boys from the girls. They would also ring the bells several times a day and a LOT on Sundays. They also didn't want to teach sex education and girls would be expelled for getting pregnant.

They were catholic schools, run by actual nuns and priests.

I take it you have the same issue with these schools or is it just a particular religion you have a problem with?  

[ivor bigun]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Loudspeakers calls rom Mosques are subjected to the same noise abatement laws as every other noise and the Azam noise is restricted to either completely banned or only allowed at certain times , not too dissimilar to Churches ringing their bells .

   "they have even pressed for boys and girls to be separated" : Are you aware that the U.K already has gender based schools and has done for hundreds of years ? Boys and girls schools are normal in the UK .

my daughter went to one in the UK there was a boys one next door ,years later the muslim community tried to get them for use by their community ,the local council said no ,over the years they took over the area ,now its rare to see a non muslim in any of the schools .

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

Leicester, I did not say schools had caved in to gender specific, I said they had pressed for it. Another thing they did in the area of Spinney hills park is campaign to get pubs closed down on the grounds of this is a family area, meaning muslim family area. Of the four pubs round there, and this is before covid, none are now open. They had a problem with the Mount Zion as that was a black pub, but last time I looked it was earmarked to be knocked down for housing, I wonder who for!

Mosques are subject to noise controls like everyone else .

Pubs are closing down all over the U.K , have been for the last 30 years or so . 

   Pubs in areas with a large Muslim population close down because the locals do not drink , even so, Pubs in areas with no Muslims living are also closing down because going down the pub is no longer a popular past time for many people like it used to be .

  Six local pubs to have closed down in the last ten years and I am quite sure they didn't close don because of Mustafa living at number 26

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

 ,now its rare to see a non muslim in any of the schools .

Which schools are those ?

[ivor bigun]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Which schools are those ?

sorry but i dont like to post my home town on here, ,but it was an ordinary working class place 40 yrs ago ,now you would not recognise many parts of it ,like India ,believe it or not even the black community  area all moved ,

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

sorry but i dont like to post my home town on here, ,but it was an ordinary working class place 40 yrs ago ,now you would not recognise many parts of it ,like India ,believe it or not even the black community  area all moved ,

If you going to make the claim that some (Non Muslim) U.K Schools have 100 % Muslim pupils , you would have to name those schools for verification 

[proton]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Mosques are subject to noise controls like everyone else .

Pubs are closing down all over the U.K , have been for the last 30 years or so . 

   Pubs in areas with a large Muslim population close down because the locals do not drink , even so, Pubs in areas with no Muslims living are also closing down because going down the pub is no longer a popular past time for many people like it used to be .

  Six local pubs to have closed down in the last ten years and I am quite sure they didn't close don because of Mustafa living at number 26

Already mentioned noise controls are ignored and the council look the other way, in Leicester at least. Some pubs were closed down in Highfields after Muslim bodies campaigned relentlessly for their licences to be removed. Pubs that had been there over 100 years were suddenly too noisy, or socially disruptive. The real reason was booze being haram so everyone else has to bow to it. Labour council with muslim lord mayor at the time- Abdul Osman.