Enoch Powell, he wasnt wrong in his forecast !

[MrMuddle]

Just now, MrMuddle said:

This is what I saw...

and not a snowflake in sight....

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

oh, I'm very happy to point the finger at Australian racism as well. 

You seem absolutely ecstatic calling other people racists and I am quite sure that you would  extremely happy labelling even more people as being racists . 

  

[Bday Prang]

On 9/1/2022 at 2:07 PM, Muzzique said:

Enoch Powell is up there with Jordan B Peterson. They both have an insight which is spot on, but unless you listen and actually hear what they are actually saying they can be taken as being prejudiced.

 

They simply are showing the reality of how things are and how they will progress.

 

There is no bias or prejudice in their thinking, Just a natural progression of the order of things if the policies in place are allowed to progress.

Powell was absolutely not a racist. He talks about uncontrolled immigration. How it generates fear and that fear will manifest itself as resentment against those who settled. It was the same fear that British people have of uncontrolled immigration that lead to Brexit.

 

Before you throw racist or misogynistic rhetoric around listen closely to what people are saying. You may not like what they say about the consequences but they are stating facts not using prejudice in their arguments.

 

Had journalism been to the standard it is today then I'm sure Enoch would have been questioned harder and deeper and then you would be able to see his thinking did not come from a prejudicial viewpoint.

 

And listen to Jordan B Peterson when others try to twist his words into a prejudicial model. How he corrects them to make sure he is simply stating facts that are the conclusion of empirical evidence.

 

 

It is a pity Enoch is not here to correct the overview people have that his words were racist.

 

The only bit you got wrong was the bit about journalism   Modern day  left leaning MSM would have Villified and silenced him,

[MrMuddle]

2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

The only bit you got wrong was the bit about journalism   Modern day  left leaning MSM would have Villified and silenced him,

Got to agree with you 100% on this. Modern day snowflake journalism, particularly in the UK is cringeworthy, in the extreme. Clickbait culture rules, OK. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

14 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Another Google search that fails to propagate the illusion that someone knows more about their beloved (Brigadier) Enoch (MBE)

That is one of the problems with discussions these days .

Talking about a person being interviewed and his opinion and some people just give abuse and accuse you of loving him and being a dinosaur etc 

    I blame the general dumbing down of society and also the left and the right each going into their own corner and yelling abuse at each other and not any room in the middle

[ozimoron]

35 minutes ago, transam said:

You are doing the anti-Brit thing again.........Thank you, it clarifies stuff from you........????

Huh? anti Brit? How did you infer that from my post about Australian racism?

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think immigration should be discussed without resorting to the use of racism towards immigrants and the scapegoating of immigrants.

 

I’m sure you would agree.

Its virtually impossible to discuss immigration rationally in the Uk as  any changes required all involve stronger regulations and stricter enforcement. Anybody , politician , or otherwise that dares to suggest this is immediately labelled as a racist and effectively silenced. That the reason the UK immigration situation is disaster 

[ozimoron]

21 minutes ago, MrMuddle said:

I've always thought that Churchill was not only a racist, but a vile human being, yet you accuse me of racism. You can't have it both ways!

Was Powell also a vile human being?

[ozimoron]

The problem with racism and why it's so toxic?

 

Racism and racists are the single cause of all the world's evil. Racism is strongly entrenched in churches which denigrate other religions, based on racism. The SBC in the US exists only because of its racist roots and support of slavery.

 

Anti racist "woke" awareness should be taught at a very early age and strongly reinforced throughout all educational programs and by all educational institutions. To some extent is already is but not nearly enough.

 

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Huh? anti Brit? How did you infer that from my post about Australian racism?

Australia started as a British colony, it still has something relating to it....Remember...

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, transam said:

Australia started as a British colony, it still has something relating to it....Remember...

The empah faded long ago. The overwhelming majority of Australians have wanted to cut the apron strings ever since 1975.

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The whole speech was about the subject of the UKs immigration rules and laws and whether immigration rules were necessary ,

   Do you agree with Enoch that the U,K should have immigration rules or should 2 and a half billion commonwealth citizens be able to live in the UK as British citizens ?

 

Why then did he fail to mention the Nationality Act of 1948?

 

 

[ozimoron]

45 minutes ago, MrMuddle said:

This is what I saw...

Is that not racist? Is it not also racist to repost it?

[Kwasaki]

53 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

oh, I'm very happy to point the finger at Australian racism as well. Did you know we massacred a large proportion of the Aboriginal population? We forcibly removed kids form their parents for decades and abused them in institutions. Wanna start a thread about Australian crimes against humanity?

Not really it would be just going over the same thing the US did to the native population of their country.

 

It was that time when the word racist was added to the Oxford dictionary.

 

The OP heading is about Powell he wasn't wrong in his forecast not about racism. 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The problem with racism and why it's so toxic?

 

Racism and racists are the single cause of all the world's evil. Racism is strongly entrenched in churches which denigrate other religions, based on racism. The SBC in the US exists only because of its racist roots and support of slavery.

 

Anti racist "woke" awareness should be taught at a very early age and strongly reinforced throughout all educational programs and by all educational institutions. To some extent is already is but not nearly enough.

 

 

And I thought it was religion, learn something every day.....????

 

Sorry ISIS, we are all wrong according to a bloke 'ere.....

????

[ozimoron]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

Not really it would be just going over the same thing the US did to the native population of their country.

 

It was that time when the word racist was added to the Oxford dictionary.

 

The OP heading is about Powell he wasn't wrong in his forecast not about racism. 

His forecast was that the black man would have the whip hand over whites, presumably because of superior numbers. That's not likely to happen anytime soon and if it's a concern then that's racist in and of itself.

[Bday Prang]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The problem with racism and why it's so toxic?

 

Racism and racists are the single cause of all the world's evil. Racism is strongly entrenched in churches which denigrate other religions, based on racism. The SBC in the US exists only because of its racist roots and support of slavery.

 

Anti racist "woke" awareness should be taught at a very early age and strongly reinforced throughout all educational programs and by all educational institutions. To some extent is already is but not nearly enough.

 

 

One thing that should be taught is Not to scream toxic insults like "racist" at everybody who disagrees with one's own extreme views

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Bday Prang said:

One thing that should be taught is Not to scream toxic insults like "racist" at everybody who disagrees with one's own extreme views

How does that relate to calling a racist a racist?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

His forecast was that the black man would have the whip hand over whites, presumably because of superior numbers. That's not likely to happen anytime soon and if it's a concern then that's racist in and of itself.

Because immigration laws have been upped since Enoch's time.

Did you forget that.........????

 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Because immigration laws have been upped since Enoch's time.

Did you forget that.........????

 

How is that relevant to Powell being a racist scum? Did he ever recant?

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, MrMuddle said:

Actually I'm not, and why would I care what you think, you're nothing to me.

That's considered a racist remark. ????

[ozimoron]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

That's considered a racist remark. ????

Not by me and it as directed at me. Maybe I missed something, could you explain why you think that?

[Mac Mickmanus]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why then did he fail to mention the Nationality Act of 1948?

 

 

It would have been off topic ? 

[Bday Prang]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How does that relate to calling a racist a racist?

Well it certainly diminishes the meaning, but once labelled as such rightly or wrongly there is no going back , no opportunity for denial, guilty until proven guilty that is how woke lefties seek  to silence 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

How is that relevant to Powell being a racist scum? Did he ever recant?

Those are the words of someone who cannot see out of his box, cannot see the thoughts of an MP decades ago, the thoughts that have mainly come true.

The Labour Party leadership recently used your word scum in the House of Commons, so I am not surprised you used it.

Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE, has nothing to recant. Only the lefty woke lot would think that.....????

[Kwasaki]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Was Powell also a vile human being?

Disagree he was a Englishman and a highly intelligent complex human person which by definition of the description makes him incapable of being vile. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, transam said:

Those are the words of someone who cannot see out of his box, cannot see the thoughts of an MP decades ago, the thoughts that have mainly come true.

The Labour Party leadership recently used your word scum in the House of Commons, so I am not surprised you used it.

Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE, has nothing to recant. Only the lefty woke lot would think that.....????

Are racists somehow not scum?

[ozimoron]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

Disagree he was a Englishman and a highly intelligent complex human person which by definition of the description makes him incapable of being vile. 

He was as open as book. Supporters deserve to be labelled as racists. Hitler was intelligent too, as was Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and many others who are also vile.

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

His forecast was that the black man would have the whip hand over whites, presumably because of superior numbers. That's not likely to happen anytime soon and if it's a concern then that's racist in and of itself.

Not just Black people from Africa , its was all Commonwealth Countries , like Australia and New Zealand as well 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Not just Black people from Africa , its was all Commonwealth Countries , like Australia and New Zealand as well 

and he was wrong about Australia and NZ too if he included them. He was right about Africa, lol.