transam Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 54 minutes ago, RayC said: Can you supply some evidence to support your view that tourism to Greece, Italy, Turkey, etc would be increased by having a constitutional monarchy? I'll repeat again. I've still to see a convincing argument for separating the roles of head of state and head of government but - again - if it is deemed necessary, then s/he should be elected. You inadvertently point out one advantage of having an elected head of state: If s/he turns out to be 'a tosser' you can vote them out. If an heritatory monarch turns out to be 'a tosser' we are stuck with them for their lifetime. Evidence, no, nor can you... Perhaps you can tell me about a tosser UK monarch, I can't think of one, and at the mo, I can't think of a future UK monarch tosser either, they all seem to have done a splendid job. ???? You cannot say that for some countries that have questionable leadership after their cull, China, Russia, France, Germany, to name just a few. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 33 minutes ago, Fab5BKK said: Good point! BTW, no monarch in France since 1870 (Napoleon III) = 152 years Napoleon III Oh yeah, thanks. Completely forgot about him???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: Having read this whole topic, your comments, replies and then your replies, I've come to the conclusion you are just trying to be difficult. This often happens when people feel they are losing an arguement. The post you refer too clearly stated the source of the details. A quick "Google" brings up all the info you need. A process you seem to be incapable of completing. When people make claims, factual claims, they should be able to substantiate. The argument should not be: I gave a number, check on Google. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: Having read this whole topic, your comments, replies and then your replies, I've come to the conclusion you are just trying to be difficult. This often happens when people feel they are losing an arguement. The post you refer too clearly stated the source of the details. A quick "Google" brings up all the info you need. A process you seem to be incapable of completing. Your 'avin a laff.................???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, transam said: Your 'avin a laff.................???? I love all this "you must provide a link" stuff. What ever did these people do before the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, transam said: Evidence, no, nor can you... See my reply to @puchooay. It's up to you to prove the proposition not me to disprove it. 9 minutes ago, transam said: Perhaps you can tell me about a tosser UK monarch, I can't think of one, You don't have to go that far back. Try Edward VIII for size. A nazi sympathiser. 9 minutes ago, transam said: and at the mo, I can't think of a future UK monarch tosser either, they all seem to have done a splendid job. ???? I'm surprised by this comment. You usually bring out the crystal ball and berate people for making predictions. In any event, neither you, me or anyone else has any idea what type of monarch Charles, William or George will turn out to be like. 9 minutes ago, transam said: You cannot say that for some countries that have questionable leadership after their cull, China, Russia, France, Germany, to name just a few. ???? China and Russia are not democracies. France and Germany are and seem to function pretty well without a monarchy nowadays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: I love all this "you must provide a link" stuff. What ever did these people do before the internet? Funny question for an internet forum. Maybe next time think it through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: I love all this "you must provide a link" stuff. What ever did these people do before the internet? Sadly it was search in a library or order written stuff on a subject, incredibly tiresome.....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, stevenl said: Funny question for an internet forum. Maybe next time think it through? I did think it through. You are on the internet but can't find a website and need a link. 6 minutes ago, transam said: Sadly it was search in a library or order written stuff on a subject, incredibly tiresome.....???? He would need to be escorted there, have the book or reference found and probably read to him. ???????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Wasn't Edward VIII at the helm for less than a year.....Sounds pretty good to me......Don't you think.....???? China was full of "Kings" in different areas till Communism came along. The "people" slaughtered the Russian Royal Family, to be taken over by, yet again, Communism..Oh dear...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, transam said: Wasn't Edward VIII at the helm for less than a year. Indeed he was. 1936 had 3 kings. George V, Edward's VIII and George VI, in that order. Edward VIII was never crowned though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, transam said: Wasn't Edward VIII at the helm for less than a year..... You're correct. 18 minutes ago, transam said: Sounds pretty good to me......Don't you think.....???? No I don't. It would have been better if he hadn't got into a position where he could whield constitutional power in the first place. The fact that he was effectively ejected for wanting to marry a divorcee, rather than the more serious issue of supporting an ideology which rejected democracy suggests to me that the system wasn't working. 18 minutes ago, transam said: China was full of "Kings" in different areas till Communism came along. The "people" slaughtered the Russian Royal Family, to be taken over by, yet again, Communism..Oh dear...???? Oh dear indeed. But what's your point? It isn't an 'either/or' choice between a constitutional monarchy or a (communist) totalitarian system as numerous functioning democracies around the world - which are neither one not the other - demonstrate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blackcab Posted September 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 7:41 AM, puchooay said: He can't sell it, mortgage it or rent it out. On 9/14/2022 at 7:59 AM, billd766 said: Prince William can't sell it, mortgage it or rent it out. Property of the Duchy of Cornwall can definitely be leased to tenants, and many parts of the Duchy are let in this way. "The Duchy's estate includes over 600 residences and virtually all are let to tenants." https://duchyofcornwall.org/leases-and-freeholds.html "Farms on the Duchy’s Dartmoor Estate occupy about 8,100 hectares. The Duchy also owns 20,200 hectares of common land, which is used by local farmers to graze cattle, sheep and ponies. A harsh climate and relatively poor soil quality means that Dartmoor is best suited to stock rearing and all of the Duchy's 21 farms here are let to tenants who use the land for this very purpose." https://duchyofcornwall.org/dartmoor-and-princetown.html 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Just now, RayC said: The fact that he was effectively ejected for wanting to marry a divorcee I think you'll find he abdicated as he didn't want to go against the constitution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: I did think it through. You are on the internet but can't find a website and need a link. He would need to be escorted there, have the book or reference found and probably read to him. ???????????? From https://www.avast.com/c-netiquette Research thoroughly before making factual claims online. Some quick googling and linking to source websites builds trust with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Full Agreement Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 1:41 PM, puchooay said: He has inherited it on paper only. He can't sell it, mortgage it or rent it out. There really is no value to him. It is just an object. When will people get it into their heads that although the royal family own so much, the value in real money is zero. He can spend the night there can't he? Does it come with a full compliment of wait staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, RayC said: You're correct. No I don't. It would have been better if he hadn't got into a position where he could whield constitutional power in the first place. The fact that he was effectively ejected for wanting to marry a divorcee, rather than the more serious issue of supporting an ideology which rejected democracy suggests to me that the system wasn't working. Oh dear indeed. But what's your point? It isn't an 'either/or' choice between a constitutional monarchy or a (communist) totalitarian system as numerous functioning democracies around the world - which are neither one not the other - demonstrate. Edward VIII was next in line for the throne, he never got it, did he, plus, every family has a black sheep, the Royal Family knows they have another, Harry, but I think we can agree he's had his wing's clipped, so to speak....???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: I think you'll find he abdicated as he didn't want to go against the constitution. Technically you are correct. However, I find it hard to believe that an individual with Nazi tendencies would have much regard for the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, RayC said: Technically you are correct. However, I find it hard to believe that an individual with Nazi tendencies would have much regard for the constitution. The German leader's party at the time was called The Nazi Party, Edward was free of the Royal Family way before the Nazi war thing...The UK and Germany had many ties over the centuries????... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, stevenl said: From https://www.avast.com/c-netiquette Research thoroughly before making factual claims online. Some quick googling and linking to source websites builds trust with others. Who said I wanted or needed your trust? What I posted was true. That's enough for me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, transam said: Edward VIII was next in line for the throne, he never got it, did he, plus, every family has a black sheep, the Royal Family knows they have another, Harry, but I think we can agree he's had his wing's clipped, so to speak....???? You are incorrect. Edward VIII did get it. He was king and had all the constitution power that goes with that position. The fact that an undesirable individual who - but for his choice of spouse! - can be elevated to a position of influence in the first place should be a cause for concern. What more evidence is needed to debunk this ridiculous idea that some individuals - simply because of their birthright - will make more capable leaders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 12:56 PM, ThailandRyan said: So in your view anyone who has owned property, including the castles and homes that the royals have, should not be entitled to the monies they are worth and it should go to the people, even though it was the royals relatives in the past who bought and paid for those properties. Oh I get it you believe that because taxes levied on the farmers and so on paid for these properties then they are owned not by the Crown but the people...try again. They stole it 600 years ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, transam said: The German leader's party at the time was called The Nazi Party, Edward was free of the Royal Family way before the Nazi war thing...The UK and Germany had many ties over the centuries????... You've lost me? What's your point? Edward VIII wouldn't have held Nazi tendencies if he had remained king? The UK have had many ties with many countries over the centuries. And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamfalang Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 7:20 AM, Scott said: jewels, art collection, investments and two residences, Balmoral Castle in Scotland and Sandringham House in Norfolk. The Queen inherited both properties from her father, King George VI. this is the way working is overrated. and then these rich people are worshipped........lol..... I'm jealous. But I can go to Pattaya, do anything and not be recognized. That has to be worth something!!! OK, 20 baht. A billion studies have been done.....the rich won't ever, ever, ever let go. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetphet Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/17/2022 at 5:32 PM, jak2002003 said: Did they pay inheritance tax? Born into wealth, unelected and very entitled, and above the law....while huge percentage of the country living on poverty struggling to pay for their heating or food......sure they 'deserve it'. ???????? What makes you think things would be different as a republic? Not sure the UK having another form of government would be any better than what we already have. Look at Putin, Musharraf, Erdogan, Chavez for a start. All made themselves President for life.. Even Trump has shown the weaknesses in the American system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 minute ago, phetphet said: What makes you think things would be different as a republic? Not sure the UK having another form of government would be any better than what we already have. Look at Putin, Musharraf, Erdogan, Chavez for a start. All made themselves President for life.. Even Trump has shown the weaknesses in the American system. Just give the castles back to the state. Charge double admission fees give all funds to poor. Let Royals keep $10m. Put them in upmarket apartments. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Just give the castles back to the state. Charge double admission fees give all funds to poor. Let Royals keep $10m. Put them in upmarket apartments. Back to the state??? As for funds to the poor, you may wish to research how much the royal family raise and give to charity. Huge amounts of money. Also, admission fees for castles goes to the treasury, minus the royal grant. Edited September 18, 2022 by youreavinalaff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, transam said: The German leader's party at the time was called The Nazi Party, Edward was free of the Royal Family way before the Nazi war thing...The UK and Germany had many ties over the centuries????... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party Wikipedia give the name as the The Nazi Party,[a] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[b] or NSDAP), was a far-right[7][page needed][8] political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920. 1 hour ago, Iamfalang said: Deleted post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Iamfalang said: this is the way working is overrated. and then these rich people are worshipped........lol..... I'm jealous. But I can go to Pattaya, do anything and not be recognized. That has to be worth something!!! OK, 20 baht. A billion studies have been done.....the rich won't ever, ever, ever let go. really? The Queen worked every day of her life up to 2 days before she died aged 96, and you call that not working. I quit working at age 65. She started working and training before I (and most of the posters here) was born and her last official task was 2 days before she died. She made a commitment in 1952 to work for her country and her people however short or long her life may be, and she kept her word for 70 years. AFAIAC she did a brilliant job and she was worth far more to the country than the country ever paid her. Of course you can go to Pattaya, not be recognised and do what you want, as can 99.x% of the people in the world as yo, like me and the other 99.x% are nonentities, but the Queen and her family are under the glare of the spotlight 24/7/365. with TV and still cameras and reporters around 24/7/365 just waiting for that little slip to happen. I couldn't and wouldn't do that job and certainly for the salary, houses, perks etc that they earned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, billd766 said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party Wikipedia give the name as the The Nazi Party,[a] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[b] or NSDAP), was a far-right[7][page needed][8] political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920. For more information on his sympathies, see eg https://www.biography.com/news/edward-viii-wallis-simpson-nazi-sympathizers-hitler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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