Liz Truss: What the world is saying about UK turmoil

[puchooay]

47 minutes ago, RayC said:

Good idea. Let's employ those who have unfortunately lost an arm as fruit pickers. If they are city based they could be road sweepers.

 

NO . I said those with out an excuse. If you'd like to re read my comment I excluded those with a disability then means they can work.

Edited October 23, 2022 by puchooay

[puchooay]

11 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

EU workers were forced to leave

No, they were not.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, puchooay said:

Not difficult. Just stop benefits for those with no excuse, ie disability, for unemployment and get them to work.

Problem is the people that play the system know how to exploit the system

They know the system. It used to be the 'bad back' excuse but now it's mental health issues. Can't be disproved and totally against current trends to assist those with them

 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, puchooay said:

OK. Good. I was confused with the comments about pensioners. Those people were not in my mind.

 

 

I was sort of making the point that there are some retired people living in Thailand , sitting back in the sun and telling other people back in the U.K to get out in the fields and pick those crops .

   How about those retired guys coming back to the UK and helping out and picking the crops ? 

   Cutting their pensions should help with encouraging them ?

[nigelforbes]

2 minutes ago, puchooay said:

No, they were not.

Oh yes they were. :))

 

If two were forced to leave (because of circumstances etc, rather than by demand of the government) then my statement is correct....I'm certain at least two were. 

 

"U.K. Lost 200,000 EU Nationals as Brexit and the Pandemic Struck

Official statistics show the scale of migration in 2020

Loss of workers is creating staff shortages for some sectors

By

Andrew Atkinson

September 17, 2021 at 5:52 PM GMT+7"

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-17/u-k-lost-200-000-eu-nationals-as-brexit-and-the-pandemic-struck?leadSource=uverify wall

 

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20170330-the-foreign-workers-leaving-britain-because-of-brexit

 

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"A survey by Baker McKenzie, a law firm, also found last month that more than half of the skilled EU workers employed by companies on the FTSE 250 stock market index are likely to leave Britain before the Brexit negotiations end. A separate survey of 2,000 non-British workers, by Deloitte, the professional services group, found that 47 per cent of highly skilled EU workers were considering leaving the UK within the next five years".

 

https://www.ft.com/content/a37c2aee-565f-11e7-80b6-9bfa4c1f83d2

[RayC]

13 minutes ago, puchooay said:

NO . I said those with out an excuse. If you'd like to re read my comment I excluded those with a disability then means they can work.

I accept that it's not what you meant to say but the fact is you did:

 

"Just stop benefits for those with no excuse, ie disability ..."

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

 

 

Going off topic again .

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Problem is the people that play the system know how to exploit the system

They know the system. It used to be the 'bad back' excuse but now it's mental health issues. Can't be disproved and totally against current trends to assist those with them

 

 

 

Earn £250,000 a year for a decade, make use of the available tax loopholes to the wealthy and tgen come back and tell us about playing the system’.

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Problem is the people that play the system know how to exploit the system

They know the system. It used to be the 'bad back' excuse but now it's mental health issues. Can't be disproved and totally against current trends to assist those with them

 

These days you get assessed by medics to see whether you are fit for work or not , even with mental health issues , you need a medical assessment to prove your claim 

[Mac Mickmanus]

23 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

Oh yes they were. :))

 

If two were forced to leave (because of circumstances etc, rather than by demand of the government) then my statement is correct....I'm certain at least two were. 

 

"U.K. Lost 200,000 EU Nationals as Brexit and the Pandemic Struck

Official statistics show the scale of migration in 2020

Loss of workers is creating staff shortages for some sectors

By

Andrew Atkinson

September 17, 2021 at 5:52 PM GMT+7"

 

 

They left voluntarily during the Covid lockdowns , no work to do so went back home again .

   No one was forced to leave the U.K. 

[vinny41]

How to claim Universal credit with a mental health condition

You won't have to work or prepare for work - this is classed as having limited capability for work-related activity (LCWRA).

https://www.mentalhealthandmoneyadvice.org/en/welfare-benefits/universal-credit-mental-health-guide/help-with-your-universal-credit-claim/how-to-claim-universal-credit-with-a-mental-health-condition/

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

How to claim Universal credit with a mental health condition

You won't have to work or prepare for work - this is classed as having limited capability for work-related activity (LCWRA).

https://www.mentalhealthandmoneyadvice.org/en/welfare-benefits/universal-credit-mental-health-guide/help-with-your-universal-credit-claim/how-to-claim-universal-credit-with-a-mental-health-condition/

 

Would you like to make a point ?

You C&Ped a sentence without giving context or an opinion 

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Would you like to make a point ?

You C&Ped a sentence without giving context or an opinion 

The point being the people that play the system know the rules

They know the system. It used to be the 'bad back' excuse but now it's mental health issues. Can't be disproved and totally against current trends to assist those with them

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

The point being the people that play the system know the rules

They know the system. It used to be the 'bad back' excuse but now it's mental health issues. Can't be disproved and totally against current trends to assist those with them

You link also contains this 

 

However, in most circumstances you will need to fill in a UC50 form and attend a Work Capability Assessment - a test called to decide if you can claim Universal Credit with a limited capability for work element.

 

   So, they are tested to see whether they are playing the system or not and the tests are quite rigorous and they spy on people who make claims  , watch them to make sure they really are disabled 

[puchooay]

48 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

..I'm certain at least two were. 

 

OK. I'll accept that 2 EU nationals were forced to leave.

 

Do you know why they had to leave? 

[puchooay]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Earn £250,000 a year for a decade, make use of the available tax loopholes to the wealthy and tgen come back and tell us about playing the system’.

Excellent.

 

You have finally defined what you mean as wealthy. Thanks.

[vinny41]

54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You link also contains this 

 

However, in most circumstances you will need to fill in a UC50 form and attend a Work Capability Assessment - a test called to decide if you can claim Universal Credit with a limited capability for work element.

 

   So, they are tested to see whether they are playing the system or not and the tests are quite rigorous and they spy on people who make claims  , watch them to make sure they really are disabled 

I am talking about people with Mental Health issues not people that are disabled

Would love to know how DWP can spy on people to identify if they have a metal health issue or not

[Mac Mickmanus]

50 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I am talking about people with Mental Health issues not people that are disabled

Would love to know how DWP can spy on people to identify if they have a metal health issue or not

Yes, and those people with mental health issues go to the office and have checks done to make sure they aren't faking it 

[Mac Mickmanus]

Boris pulls out 

[nigelforbes]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Boris pulls out 

The question now must be whether the remaining MP's will flock to Penney Mordaunt or not and make a real race out of it.

[nigelforbes]

7 hours ago, puchooay said:

OK. I'll accept that 2 EU nationals were forced to leave.

 

Do you know why they had to leave? 

All silliness and jocularity aside....

 

There is no escaping the realities that it was the prospect of the Brexit vote that forced the hand of many valued EU workers into moving out. There is no other subtle reason hiding behind something else that has not been mentioned, the Brexit vote was the reason. There was no government edict that said they must go, it was merely the uncertainty and human nature that was the catalyst, those things plus the desire of those workers to live and work within the EU framework. I mean, that's what happened, they saw the vote coming, they saw the results and they left. We didn't demand that, we didn't ask for that and we don't like that, but that's how they acted.

 

So when we look at todays shortages of workers in so many areas, the Brexit vote is the reason why that shortage exists. Yes of course, those same workers could come back and apply for visa's and get probably get their old jobs back again but that is too much hassle for too many people, all of whom have grown accustomed to living and working in a borderless EU that included the UK. I think I'd probably behave the same way TBH. All that has happened to those workers is their world has become a little smaller. What has happened to us as a country was entirely foreseeable and predictable and we're now paying the price.

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

The question now must be whether the remaining MP's will flock to Penney Mordaunt or not and make a real race out of it.

Cannot see her getting enough votes by tomorrow afternoon and Sunak will named as PM

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, puchooay said:

Excellent.

 

You have finally defined what you mean as wealthy. Thanks.

No I didn’t.

 

(Stalker?)

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I am talking about people with Mental Health issues not people that are disabled

Would love to know how DWP can spy on people to identify if they have a metal health issue or not

What you are actually doing is repeating the gross generalizations and exaggerations used by the people who are intent on removing welfare provisions in the UK.

 

You’re shilling for the extreme rightwing libertarians who want zero social provision. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Boris pulls out 

I suspect he was instructed to do so.

 

The Tories are at each other’s throats, he would only make it worse.

 

 

[nigelforbes]

It seems odd that Boris would rush back from holiday, get massive support and then pull out. Perhaps he has a trick up his sleeve, a new breakaway party perhaps, that would certainly solve lots of problems and simplify things...dunno.

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

The question now must be whether the remaining MP's will flock to Penney Mordaunt or not and make a real race out of it.

They probably won’t, but you never know. 
 

However, a quick transition of power will create the illusion of unity. However it will be just that, an illusion…
 

Sunak now has 160 nominations, could well be the only candidate available. 

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect he was instructed to do so.

 

The Tories are at each other’s throats, he would only make it worse.

 

 

Could well be the case, but also could be he didn’t have the support and didn’t want to admit it. 
 

Interesting opinion piece on his “withdrawal “ ( though how you can withdraw from a race you didn’t enter is a puzzler) here. 

“Johnson would like the world to believe he is withdrawing for the sake of party unity, or the national good. But if he genuinely cherished those things he would not have launched a new bid to become PM little more than three months after he was forced out by more than 50 ministerial resignations, and with the threat of an official inquiry into whether he misled parliament hanging above his head.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/23/boris-johnson-exit-from-tory-leadership-race-avoids-likely-humiliation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[Bluespunk]

12 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

It seems odd that Boris would rush back from holiday, get massive support and then pull out. Perhaps he has a trick up his sleeve, a new breakaway party perhaps, that would certainly solve lots of problems and simplify things...dunno.

johnson causing the implosion of the tory party?

 

So less a Churchill and more a Lloyd George or Ramsey MacDonald. Both of whom cherished power over party. 
 

I can see that. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Will Mordaunt concede or does she have an ace up the sleeve of the Blue Rinse Brigade in Constituency Party?