Is this for real?

[Tippaporn]

I have a need for a lot of storage.  So I went online to price some storage devices and found a 20TB solid state drive for . . . are you ready? . . . $159.99, or just under 6,000 baht if 37:1.  Here's the link but since I first opened it it has now changed to "unavailable" and the price is not shown any longer.   I tried googling the brand, HUangH but can't find a thing.  This is the stuff dreams are made of, 5555555555.

[tomazbodner]

If it's too good to be true...

[phetphet]

Well there is a 2TB for $32.99 on the same site. Looks generic. Different brand name.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BBN85Z6P/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0BBN85Z6P&pd_rd_w=Ss5GZ&content-id=amzn1.sym.25e96bbe-93d6-4790-9c18-ab0bc96db737&pf_rd_p=25e96bbe-93d6-4790-9c18-ab0bc96db737&pf_rd_r=GYAG8BT63T55BQPF2ZAE&pd_rd_wg=irLYQ&pd_rd_r=ef353357-631b-49e6-a1a4-b6f0ff7b32c2&s=pc&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWxfdGhlbWF0aWM

Maybe it was wrongly priced or they were all snapped up.

 

Here is another on Aliexpress. 64TB. Buyer Beware.

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004757910177.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1c746cf3KeYlwL&algo_pvid=8819ee5c-ecb6-4bd2-926c-325893304ee7&aem_p4p_detail=202210292103221276300945015860004589484&algo_exp_id=8819ee5c-ecb6-4bd2-926c-325893304ee7-29&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id"%3A"12000030358632830"}&pdp_npi=2%40dis!THB!2275.95!1137.98!1069.7!!!!%402101e9cf16671026022891388e02b6!12000030358632830!sea&curPageLogUid=APYDR1YphPcP&ad_pvid=202210292103221276300945015860004589484_6

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by phetphet

[OneMoreFarang]

What I will never understand is why some people, and it seems a lot of people, want something cheap to store their valuable data.

IMHO if the data is important then better make sure it is saved on quality hardware or on quality online storage. And almost always you have to pay for quality.

 

What is the point of cheap storage and then that moment: My storage device does not work anymore, all my data, OMG, how can I get my data back? Why is data recovery so expensive?

It's not too difficult to foresee this situation and act accordingly - before disaster happens. 

[BritManToo]

25 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What I will never understand is why some people, and it seems a lot of people, want something cheap to store their valuable data.

IMHO if the data is important then better make sure it is saved on quality hardware or on quality online storage. And almost always you have to pay for quality.

 

What is the point of cheap storage and then that moment: My storage device does not work anymore, all my data, OMG, how can I get my data back? Why is data recovery so expensive?

It's not too difficult to foresee this situation and act accordingly - before disaster happens. 

Better to use multiple cheap devices than 1 expensive IMHO.

[Tippaporn]

28 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What I will never understand is why some people, and it seems a lot of people, want something cheap to store their valuable data.

IMHO if the data is important then better make sure it is saved on quality hardware or on quality online storage. And almost always you have to pay for quality.

 

What is the point of cheap storage and then that moment: My storage device does not work anymore, all my data, OMG, how can I get my data back? Why is data recovery so expensive?

It's not too difficult to foresee this situation and act accordingly - before disaster happens. 

 

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Better to use multiple cheap devices than 1 expensive IMHO.

I use multiple back-ups.  Never lost a single file in over 15 years.

[ChaiyaTH]

Classical fake just like with USB sticks on Lazada and Shopee. Even you could get 20TB for that price, I would be scared, as you can't rely on the normal lifespan of the disk due to quality.

[ChaiyaTH]

If you pretend you sold the wrong article by accident it is a civil case and not considered fraud, some criminals use nominees to setup endless seller accounts on platforms, cash the money out until the platform finally blocks them (if at all). Or some even do refund if the consumer is not giving up, returning it etc etc as they know few will, with the latter, they can go on forever.

Edited October 30, 2022 by ChaiyaTH

[dddave]

On Lazada and other 3rd party shopping sites, it's really easy for shady operators selling shoddy/ersatz products to basically "Pump & Dump"

They put up something like the OP mentions, hi specs/lo price, sell maybe 1000 or so in a couple of days, make maybe $100 on each, then close it out and set-up the next scam. 

Lazada or whatever doesn't have time to catch it before it's already done and gone.  

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, dddave said:

On Lazada and other 3rd party shopping sites, it's really easy for shady operators selling shoddy/ersatz products to basically "Pump & Dump"

They put up something like the OP mentions, hi specs/lo price, sell maybe 1000 or so in a couple of days, make maybe $100 on each, then close it out and set-up the next scam. 

Lazada or whatever doesn't have time to catch it before it's already done and gone.  

I don't shop on Amazon but I thought it interesting that the product appeared there.  You would think that Amazon would vet the companies that it hosts on it's site?  Apparently not.  Couldn't find HUangH on the Internet which is certainly a tell.

[KhunBENQ]

20 TB for 159.99$ ????????

What a joke.

Reminds me of 2 or 4 TB USB >sticks<.

 

The things often show the advertised size when connected. They even show error free writing.

So some people believe their data is now safed.

The headache comes when trying to read beyond the REAL size of the c.rap like 32/64/... >GB<

Edited October 30, 2022 by KhunBENQ

[FritsSikkink]

Put it in the Cloud

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Better to use multiple cheap devices than 1 expensive IMHO.

You are living up to your signature. or do you think it better to lose only SOME of your data instead of all of it.

[KannikaP]

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

Put it in the Cloud

As well as onto a good SSD.

[KhunBENQ]

Get real!

A genuine SanDisk 2(!)TB SSD is about 200 Euro/Dollar.

One reason why big data/cloud is still stored on classic disks is the price.

A Seagate 18 TB is about 400 Euro.

20 TB about 540 Euro.

Edited October 30, 2022 by KhunBENQ

[Mickeymaus]

They are all fake. Often they show this storage capacity in the explorer. But they only have some GB. Let's say it has 32 real GB. You can't really use it because it will overwrite existing data all the time. If you want to use it create a 32 GB partition on it and then you can use at least these 32 GB normally. There is free software that can help you to find the real capacity. 

[Why Me]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Better to use multiple cheap devices than 1 expensive IMHO.

Absolutely. Used to teach this stuff in a past life. Here's the theory to back you up.

(a) 10 really cheap devices with a 50% probability of failure each: chance that all fail and you lose your data is (1/2)^10 = 1/1024 or about in 1 in a 1000.

(b) 1 fabulous device with a 1% probability of failure: chance you lose your data is 1 in a 100.

[Tippaporn]

Two of these puppies would do the trick for me.  418 EUR for 20TB.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

You are living up to your signature. or do you think it better to lose only SOME of your data instead of all of it.

I have all my data copied on 4 different drives and 1 cloud.

1 SSD, 2 Different NAS HDs, and a USB stick, and on Google cloud.

Mainly family photos from 1890 on.

Edited October 30, 2022 by BritManToo

[mahtin]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I have all my data copied on 4 different drives and 1 cloud.

1 SSD, 2 Different NAS HDs, and a USB stick, and on Google cloud.

Mainly family photos from 1890 on.

What was the backup strategy in 1890?

????

[fdsa]

Is this yet another "cheap chinese storage" thread?

 

[KhunBENQ]

42 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Two of these puppies would do the trick for me.  418 EUR for 20TB.

Much more plausible and as written for huge data/archiving/backup still a hard disk is a good option.

Few people need xx TB with the extreme speed of an SSD.

Edited October 30, 2022 by KhunBENQ

[Mickeymaus]

10 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Much more plausible and as written for huge data/archiving/backup still a hard disk is a good option.

Few people need xx TB with the extreme speed of an SSD.

SSDs for backup are a waste of money... 

 

I always have my backups on hard disks. But the most important data is also in a cloud. There could be fire or water damage in your home and then there might nothing be left if you had the data only in one location. Good to have copies of data in different places if they are important. Perhaps one hard disk at home and a copy of it in a bank safe. 

[KannikaP]

52 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Much more plausible and as written for huge data/archiving/backup still a hard disk is a good option.

Few people need xx TB with the extreme speed of an SSD.

The xxTB depends on how much data you are backing up, the largest usually being movies, nothing to do with the speed of the back up medium.

[KannikaP]

33 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

SSDs for backup are a waste of money... 

 

I always have my backups on hard disks. But the most important data is also in a cloud. There could be fire or water damage in your home and then there might nothing be left if you had the data only in one location. Good to have copies of data in different places if they are important. Perhaps one hard disk at home and a copy of it in a bank safe. 

so down to Bangkok bank every morning after an incremental jobby?   555

[Mickeymaus]

3 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

so down to Bangkok bank every morning after an incremental jobby?   555

Data that change often you should keep in clouds in addition. But there are data like old photos, videos and documents that will not change anymore. Harddisk with such data you can keep in a bank safe (as an additional storage location). 

[tomazbodner]

4 hours ago, fdsa said:

Is this yet another "cheap chinese storage" thread?

 

No, this is 480 TB model for 900 baht (buy one, get 1 free) with lots of 5 star reviews...

[lungbing]

5 hours ago, mahtin said:

What was the backup strategy in 1890?

????

Save the negatives.

[fdsa]

4 hours ago, Mickeymaus said:

SSDs for backup are a waste of money... 

not only a waste of money but also a loss of data.

SSDs are highly sensitive to temperatures and lose data after several months being disconnected from the power source. The flash drive cells simply "discharge" over time losing their contents.

[Mickeymaus]

13 minutes ago, fdsa said:

not only a waste of money but also a loss of data.

SSDs are highly sensitive to temperatures and lose data after several months being disconnected from the power source. The flash drive cells simply "discharge" over time losing their contents.

Yes - the people thousands of years ago were more clever. See the result in the picture. 

 

But jumping to today - yes, storage mediums will degrade chemically and technically. Does anyone still have floppy disks or CD RW, or...