In isolation, a modest slide in the economy of 0.2% over three months might fall into the category of regrettable but unsurprising in the circumstances.

But looking ahead, the Bank of England and others anticipate that this is the first of a run of several quarters marking the start of a lengthy recession. And looking backwards now, it is very concerning that the UK economy remains smaller than just before the pandemic three years ago.

Not only is the UK the only major economy to be shrinking in the three months to September, but it is the only one not to have recovered in full the chunk of the economy lost during the pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63596773

Easy. They stopped making things that people want to buy and went for the "financial" markets, whatever they may be.

Also, they let in loads of people that contribute nothing to the country, but suck the economy like leeches.

 

Wasted north sea oil. They should have been like Norway.

 

Keep throwing money at the NHS instead of making it only about what it was supposed to do. Gordon Brown wasted 6 billion quid on it. Sacking 70% of the managers would be a good start.

 

Apparently 3 generations living on the dole up north.

 

Tony Blair and joining the US war in Iraq.

 

The mistakes of the past are coming back to bite them on the bum.

Cutting the nation off from the worlds largest largest tariff free market hasn’t helped.

 

Because the UK Parliament is a care home for nonentities, whose only defining characteristic is that they are inadequate, obsequious poltroons.

Is it struggling more than other countries????

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

Is it struggling more than other countries????

All the western countries appear to be having the same problems as far as I can see.

 

Go woke, go broke!

Shut your countries for 2 years because of COVID ....... check.

Force your country to use 'green' energy ........ check.

Allow unrestricted illegal immigration ......... check.

Move all manufacturing to the 3rd world ......... check.

Have interest rates lower than inflation ......... check.

Only offer unsuitable candidates for election ....... check.

Edited November 12, 20223 yr by BritManToo

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Easy. They stopped making things that people want to buy and went for the "financial" markets, whatever they may be.

Also, they let in loads of people that contribute nothing to the country, but suck the economy like leeches.

 

Wasted north sea oil. They should have been like Norway.

 

Keep throwing money at the NHS instead of making it only about what it was supposed to do. Gordon Brown wasted 6 billion quid on it. Sacking 70% of the managers would be a good start.

 

Apparently 3 generations living on the dole up north.

 

Tony Blair and joining the US war in Iraq.

 

The mistakes of the past are coming back to bite them on the bum.

Brilliant, today's problems are because of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and it is all the past stuff now biting them on the bum.  You do realise the Tories have been in power for 12 years now??  No blame there at all??  Nah, it's all because of stuff that happened before that that they haven't worked out how to fix. Right.  Bad Labour.

Edited November 12, 20223 yr by josephbloggs

The simplest answer is Brexit. The only country in history that has ever voted to place sanctions on itself.....and here we are.

21 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

All the western countries appear to be having the same problems as far as I can see.

 

Go woke, go broke!

Shut your countries for 2 years because of COVID ....... check.

Force your country to use 'green' energy ........ check.

Allow unrestricted illegal immigration ......... check.

Move all manufacturing to the 3rd world ......... check.

Have interest rates lower than inflation ......... check.

Only offer unsuitable candidates for election ....... check.

Let me pick just one.

 

How is moving to Green Energy causing problems when Russia’s war has caused supply problems and price hikes to oil?

 

Renewables are a source of energy independent of foreign interference, unless of course some James Bond type baddie manages to switch off the sim, the wind and the tides.

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

The simplest answer is Brexit. The only country in history that has ever voted to place sanctions on itself.....and here we are.

It is slowly sinking in, but how a leader of a major retailer couldn’t see the consequences of the madness he backed is a mystery:

 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/retail-consumer/brexit-backer-next-boss-lord-25482506

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Easy. They stopped making things that people want to buy

I watched a video of a Swedish company that machines connecting rods for engines and has sales world-wide. They source their forgings from UK, no one in Sweden can supply them.

42 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

All the western countries appear to be having the same problems as far as I can see.

 

Go woke, go broke!

Shut your countries for 2 years because of COVID ....... check.

Force your country to use 'green' energy ........ check.

Allow unrestricted illegal immigration ......... check.

Move all manufacturing to the 3rd world ......... check.

Have interest rates lower than inflation ......... check.

Only offer unsuitable candidates for election ....... check.

Hi BMT, Add in a buffoon like Turdo and the sheeple that vote for him..Off subject: I last grew a blueberry auto using coco(same vendor) and EWC/Wesco only as per your advice..it was the best producer so far for me..62 grams dry. Organic was a disaster for me. This method is far better for me.   Tnx

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Easy. They stopped making things that people want to buy and went for the "financial" markets, whatever they may be.

Also, they let in loads of people that contribute nothing to the country, but suck the economy like leeches.

 

Wasted north sea oil. They should have been like Norway.

 

Keep throwing money at the NHS instead of making it only about what it was supposed to do. Gordon Brown wasted 6 billion quid on it. Sacking 70% of the managers would be a good start.

 

Apparently 3 generations living on the dole up north.

 

Tony Blair and joining the US war in Iraq.

 

The mistakes of the past are coming back to bite them on the bum.

Best example is the car industry ..world leaders in the 60s/70s  now nothing ..where as Germany massive ...

Historically best at everything but now more and more quality firms taken over ..

NHS the great 'black hole' ..and like everything that's free it's abused .. and consultants making millions milking the system .. etc ..

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Easy. They stopped making things that people want to buy and went for the "financial" markets, whatever they may be.

Also, they let in loads of people that contribute nothing to the country, but suck the economy like leeches.

 

Wasted north sea oil. They should have been like Norway.

 

Keep throwing money at the NHS instead of making it only about what it was supposed to do. Gordon Brown wasted 6 billion quid on it. Sacking 70% of the managers would be a good start.

 

Apparently 3 generations living on the dole up north.

 

Tony Blair and joining the US war in Iraq.

 

The mistakes of the past are coming back to bite them on the bum.

A lot of North Sea oil money was used to pay the 3.5 million unemployed in the early 80's. Many people go on about how Mrs Thatcher stuck it to the unions, without recognising that this was also when British industry started to disappear.

(Germany has some of the biggest and stronest unions in the world, at the same time as having some of the biggest and strongest industry in the world).

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Brilliant, today's problems are because of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and it is all the past stuff now biting them on the bum.  You do realise the Tories have been in power for 12 years now??  No blame there at all??  Nah, it's all because of stuff that happened before that that they haven't worked out how to fix. Right.  Bad Labour.

Indeed. Gordon wasted the money on the NHS, tony wasted it on Iraq, and UK's been in the doodoo ever since.

Tony had 2 huge majorities and could have done a lot for the UK, but blew it by being Bush's poodle.

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

I watched a video of a Swedish company that machines connecting rods for engines and has sales world-wide. They source their forgings from UK, no one in Sweden can supply them.

Err, they could, but it's probably cheaper to source them from elsewhere.

Obviously the UK does still make some stuff, but compared to the 19th century sod all.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It is slowly sinking in, but how a leader of a major retailer couldn’t see the consequences of the madness he backed is a mystery:

 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/retail-consumer/brexit-backer-next-boss-lord-25482506

Brexit and COVID19 hit the UK at almost exactly the same time. COVID is estimated to have cost the taxpayer £400 billion, the effects of this will of course all be blamed on Brexit.

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed. Gordon wasted the money on the NHS, tony wasted it on Iraq, and UK's been in the doodoo ever since.

Tony had 2 huge majorities and could have done a lot for the UK, but blew it by being Bush's poodle.

Gordon Brown spent £500 billion bailing out the fraud, corruption and greed of The City of London. That's why there was "No money left".????

To put that in context, probably ten times what the Iraq war cost.

Edited November 12, 20223 yr by Andrew65

3 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

A lot of North Sea oil money was used to pay the 3.5 million unemployed in the early 80's. Many people go on about how Mrs Thatcher stuck it to the unions, without recognising that this was also when British industry started to disappear.

(Germany has some of the biggest and stronest unions in the world, at the same time as having some of the biggest and strongest industry in the world).

People danced in the streets when Thatcher died.

We've been poorly served by politicians for decades, but if we will insist on humiliating anyone that does serve, is it any wonder only the second rate consider being politicians?

Shooting, ourselves, and feet come to mind.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

The simplest answer is Brexit. The only country in history that has ever voted to place sanctions on itself.....and here we are.

Simple answer for the woke people, but doesn't explain why all the other western countries (including the EU) are doing just as badly. And Labour have announced they have no intention of rejoining the EU.

 

Whenever the woke get it horribly wrong, they always double down.

Green energy destabilised the grid, we just need more of it.

Illegal immigration causing problems, just allow all their relatives in.

Etc.

 

And it's always the poor that end up paying and suffering for the woke ideology!

Edited November 12, 20223 yr by BritManToo

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Simple answer for the woke people, but doesn't explain why all the other western countries (including the EU) are doing just as badly.

Not quite as badly. 

 

5 hours ago, Scott said:

Not only is the UK the only major economy to be shrinking in the three months to September, but it is the only one not to have recovered in full the chunk of the economy lost during the pandemic.

 

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Not quite as badly. 

 

 

LOL. I know a western country where the government is actively trying to destroy the primary industry sector before they ( hopefully ) get booted next election.

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. I know a western country where the government is actively trying to destroy the primary industry sector before they ( hopefully ) get booted next election.

Sure you do. 

Simple answer:

 

BREXIT.

1 hour ago, Andrew65 said:

Brexit and COVID19 hit the UK at almost exactly the same time. COVID is estimated to have cost the taxpayer £400 billion, the effects of this will of course all be blamed on Brexit.

COVID was a one off hit.

 

Brexit is causing on going problems, hence Lord Simon Wolfson who was core supporter of Brexit complaining about Brexit.

 

You can’t hide the problems of Brexit behind COVID for ever, they are real, damaging and ongoing.

 

No sunny uplands as promised.

53 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. I know a western country where the government is actively trying to destroy the primary industry sector before they ( hopefully ) get booted next election.

But you choose not to name that country or the primary industry sector.

 

What should we make of that?

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Simple answer for the woke people, but doesn't explain why all the other western countries (including the EU) are doing just as badly. And Labour have announced they have no intention of rejoining the EU.

 

Whenever the woke get it horribly wrong, they always double down.

Green energy destabilised the grid, we just need more of it.

Illegal immigration causing problems, just allow all their relatives in.

Etc.

 

And it's always the poor that end up paying and suffering for the woke ideology!

It’s the poor that have wound up paying for twelve years of Tory mismanagement, Tory Austerity#1 and will pay the price of the soon to be announced Tory Austerity #2.

 

Twelve years of Tory Government and you have the audacity to blame ‘woke people’.

 

There’s not a problem in the UK that the Tories have not created and/or made worse.

 

The people who told you they had got the UK’s borders back have lost control of the UK’s borders.

 

So you point the finger elsewhere.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But you choose not to name that country or the primary industry sector.

 

What should we make of that?

That they can't name either?

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

COVID was a one off hit.

 

Brexit is causing on going problems, hence Lord Simon Wolfson who was core supporter of Brexit complaining about Brexit.

 

You can’t hide the problems of Brexit behind COVID for ever, they are real, damaging and ongoing.

 

No sunny uplands as promised.

Funny you mention that. Why is he moaning? Because he wants more migrant labour for his shops. Mass immigration was said to be the biggest single issue in the Brexit debate.