Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Even if your assessment is true, the point is that Brexiters claimed that the EU needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU. Now their excuse for its deleterious effect on the economy is that the EU is being vindictive. Brexiters repeatedly ignored the basic arithmetic that showed, vindictive or not, EU members would suffer far less than the UK.

I don't think so, to suffer less but be free and independent was more important than money side of things. 

 

The financial markets and the Switzerland type of approach that the UK seems to want will win through it will just take time. 

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I don't think so, to suffer less but be free and independent was more important than money side of things. 

 

The financial markets and the Switzerland type of approach that the UK seems to want will win through it will just take time. 

Well, whatever the motive or motives, the claim was that the UK wouldn't suffer economically because the EU had more to lose than did the UK. A claim which was obviously nuts.

Edited December 10, 2022 by placeholder

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, whatever the motive or motives, the claim was that the UK wouldn't suffer economically because the EU had more to lose than did the UK. A claim which was obviously nuts.

That was seven years ago , you really should move on and accept the result and not keep looking back and analysing it .

   Its 2022 now, 2017 was years ago 

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That was seven years ago , you really should move on and accept the result and not keep looking back and analysing it .

   Its 2022 now, 2017 was years ago 

Yes it was and now the majority of Brits regret the whole Brexit debacle. Time to reverse it.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That was seven years ago , you really should move on and accept the result and not keep looking back and analysing it .

   Its 2022 now, 2017 was years ago 

Why don't you have a look at what this thread is about.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That was seven years ago , you really should move on and accept the result and not keep looking back and analysing it .

   Its 2022 now, 2017 was years ago 

Yeah, the brexiteers would like people to stop analysing the impact of brexit so far.
 

The equivalent of a child closing their eyes, sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting nah nah nah…

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That was seven years ago , you really should move on and accept the result and not keep looking back and analysing it .

   Its 2022 now, 2017 was years ago 

I guess it's uncomfortable for you and other Brexit supporters to accept that it was partially based on a lie. I wonder what the vote outcome would have been if Brexiters had frankly acknowledged the harm it would do. What would have been the slogan? "Brexit. We'll be poorer but Freedom is worth it!" 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Why don't you have a look at what this thread is about.

The answer is that the UK isn't struggling more than other Countries and the two main reasons for the UK's current woes are Covid and Ukraine (as it is for the rest of the world)

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yes it was and now the majority of Brits regret the whole Brexit debacle. Time to reverse it.

That cannot be done .

Referendums happen once in a generation to decide an issue.

The U.K cannot keep joining and leaving the E.U according to the current opinion   polls .

   Its not feasible to join for a few years , then leave for a few years and keep leaving and joining according to current public opinion . 

   Its a once in a generation vote and once only 

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The answer is that the UK isn't struggling more than other Countries and the two main reasons for the UK's current woes are Covid and Ukraine (as it is for the rest of the world)

Actually, the Financial Times reports that the UK trails 41 out of 43 countries in terms of increase or decline in household spending

 

UK household spending trails industrialised world as cost of living bites    

    British consumers have cut back on spending more than almost any other industrialised country as the cost of living crisis takes hold with the latest data and economists’ forecasts pointing to the trend continuing in to next year.

    Household spending in the three months to September was 3.2 per cent below pre-pandemic levels — by far the biggest fall among the G7 economies and the third worst performance across the 43 countries that have published detailed national accounts data for the third quarter, according to an FT analysis.

    In contrast, household expenditure was up 7 per cent in the US, 2.7 per cent in Canada, 1.6 per cent in Japan and 0.3 per cent in France compared with the final three months of 2019, the last full quarter before coronavirus hit.

https://www.ft.com/content/a4efae63-8319-4a61-9547-bfda592bbbbb

[Kwasaki]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, whatever the motive or motives, the claim was that the UK wouldn't suffer economically because the EU had more to lose than did the UK. A claim which was obviously nuts.

I never saw it that way the EU were goIng to make it as difficult as possible after we left they didn't want us leaving and the EU were determined to make an example of us to discourage any other members from wanted to leave. Why wouldn't they, the mafia would try and kill everyone. 

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That cannot be done .

Referendums happen once in a generation to decide an issue.

The U.K cannot keep joining and leaving the E.U according to the current opinion   polls .

   Its not feasible to join for a few years , then leave for a few years and keep leaving and joining according to current public opinion . 

   Its a once in a generation vote and once only 

I'm sure there's a law about that somewhere you can produce. And the UK doesn't have to rejoin. It could do something on the same basis as Norway or Switzerland

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I don't think so, to suffer less but be free and independent was more important than money side of things. 

 

The financial markets and the Switzerland type of approach that the UK seems to want will win through it will just take time. 

Ah the unicorns grazing in sunlit uplands.

 

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

I never saw it that way the EU were goIng to make it as difficult as possible after we left they didn't want us leaving and the EU were determined to make an example of us to discourage any other members from wanted to leave. Why wouldn't they, the mafia would try and kill everyone. 

It's a pity you couldn't share your view nationally.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The answer is that the UK isn't struggling more than other Countries and the two main reasons for the UK's current woes are Covid and Ukraine (as it is for the rest of the world)

Oddly you once again omit Brexit.

[bannork]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess it's uncomfortable for you and other Brexit supporters to accept that it was partially based on a lie. I wonder what the vote outcome would have been if Brexiters had frankly acknowledged the harm it would do. What would have been the slogan? "Brexit. We'll be poorer but Freedom is worth it!" 

We've lost a lot of freedom- the freedom to work, study and live in Europe. The freedom to trade seamlessly across Europe.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ah the unicorns grazing in sunlit uplands.

 

So be it, the mafia will pay. 

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's a pity you couldn't share your view nationally.

Well there's a lot of contrary lemons in UK. ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I'm sure there's a law about that somewhere you can produce. And the UK doesn't have to rejoin. It could do something on the same basis as Norway or Switzerland

Aren't there some discussions going on about that ?

What is the current situation ?

Its hardly in the UK news these days 

[Kwasaki]

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

We've lost a lot of freedom- the freedom to work, study and live in Europe. The freedom to trade seamlessly across Europe.

 

 

Not true. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

We've lost a lot of freedom- the freedom to work, study and live in Europe. The freedom to trade seamlessly across Europe.

 

 

Completely destroyed Kevin the 22 year old scaffolders dreams of working the summer in a Magaluf  bar collecting bottles

[Phoenix Rising]

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That cannot be done .

Referendums happen once in a generation to decide an issue.

The U.K cannot keep joining and leaving the E.U according to the current opinion   polls .

   Its not feasible to join for a few years , then leave for a few years and keep leaving and joining according to current public opinion . 

   Its a once in a generation vote and once only 

OK, where is that rule written down? Is it an EU rule or a UK law?

Or is it just your personal opinion?

[Kwasaki]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

OK, where is that rule written down? Is it an EU rule or a UK law?

Or is it just your personal opinion?

When are you going to realize that I am right and you are wrong.

Behave yourself sonny. ???????????????? 

[Phoenix Rising]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Completely destroyed Kevin the 22 year old scaffolders dreams of working the summer in a Magaluf  bar collecting bottles

And the lives of 1000's of business owners and their families and affected in a negative way the entire UK.

 

Brexit has clobbered smaller businesses

 

But I agree, Kevin as well.

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

We've lost a lot of freedom- the freedom to work, study and live in Europe. The freedom to trade seamlessly across Europe.

 

 

That's the price the UK had to pay to have some control on the 10 million E.U citizens who moved to the UK to  live and work .

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

OK, where is that rule written down? Is it an EU rule or a UK law?

Or is it just your personal opinion?

That is what was agreed upon before the referendum 

(BTW , I do know what Nigel Farage said and there's no need to post a link to what he said)

[Phoenix Rising]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is what was agreed upon before the referendum 

(BTW , I do know what Nigel Farage said and there's no need to post a link to what he said)

So you've got nothing then.

OK.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

So you've got nothing then.

OK.

There is no law to stop the World Cup being held once a year either 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Even if your assessment is true, the point is that Brexiters claimed that the EU needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU. Now their excuse for its deleterious effect on the economy is that the EU is being vindictive. Brexiters repeatedly ignored the basic arithmetic that showed, vindictive or not, EU members would suffer far less than the UK.

Some of them did but not very many and certainly not as a majority. As ever, the remainers only focus on short-term economic concerns. Nothing else.   

Edited December 10, 2022 by nauseus

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Some of them did but not very many and certainly not as a majority. A ever the remainers only focus on short-term economic concerns. Nothing else.   

That's just B.S. The Brexiters not only claimed that, they also claimed that the new trade opportunities that would open up after Brexit, would more than compensate for being outside of the EU. Which as any rational economist would point out, proximity is hugely important in trade. And being outside of the adjacent 3rd biggest trading bloc in the world is something that's virtually impossible to overcome.