Rockets or missiles reported to have landed in Poland near Ukrainian border, killing 2

[Scott]

 

Two missiles or rockets are reported to have hit a farm in Poland, near the border with Ukraine. Two people are reported killed.

Polish media showed an image of a deep impact and upturned farm vehicle at the site, near the town of Przewodow.

It's unclear where the projectiles came from.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-11-15-22/h_e7fcb96313566fdeabb625b08f4b4b7f

[vandeventer]

When you are near a war zone sh-- happens. Whether it was Russia or Ukraine that fired the missiles, lets hope it's not the start of something that can go out of control.

[tomazbodner]

Poland's government is CONSIDERING invoking Article 4 (not 5). Russia denies involvement, stating they have not been operating anywhere near Polish border (despite Lviv being bombarded which is very close). Do you believe Russia? Well... here's the thing. No matter how we wish to simplify this down to the commander in chief knowing what his Lemmings are doing, reality is that Russian army is far from disciplined, not particularly well trained and not very well armed, apart from the centrally controlled precision weapons which were already used up.

 

While it could, of course, be a plot to test how NATO would respond, at least in my opinion it is more likely that this was inexperienced soldiers messing up. There are no Google Maps superimposed borders in real life, and projectiles are also unaware of borders. Those living next to borders with nations in conflict are quite often recipients of unwelcome packages, which mostly isn't intentional.

 

Nonetheless, this is a serious escalation of conflict.

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Poland's government is CONSIDERING invoking Article 4 (not 5). Russia denies involvement, stating they have not been operating anywhere near Polish border (despite Lviv being bombarded which is very close). 

Your definition of close and mine differ greatly.

70 kms ????

Anything anti RU/Putin - Trump - TH - USA - EV - China - solar - batteries

is all that matters ????

[tomazbodner]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Your definition of close and mine differ greatly.

70 kms ????

Anything anti RU/Putin - Trump - TH - USA - EV - China - solar - batteries

is all that matters ????

True, but Ukraine is a massive country, and 70km is close. Kinda like Aussies going from Melbourne to Sydney for coffee... (ok, just kidding on that one).

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Your definition of close and mine differ greatly.

70 kms ????

Anything anti RU/Putin - Trump - TH - USA - EV - China - solar - batteries

is all that matters ????

A Russian cruise missile cares not about 70k distance.

[tomazbodner]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

A Russian cruise missile cares not about 70k distance.

There was Russian-made drone that "landed" in Zagreb, Croatia some 6 months back or so... That's a whole lot more than 70 km.

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/zagreb-drone-explosives-russia-ukraine/31802023.html

[Rimmer]

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[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

There was Russian-made drone that "landed" in Zagreb, Croatia some 6 months back or so... That's a whole lot more than 70 km.

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/zagreb-drone-explosives-russia-ukraine/31802023.html

Sure, the point being 70k in a war zone is no distance whatsoever when you have long range missiles and drones. Incidentally the missile fragments found in Poland match that of a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile. This weapon has a CEP (circular error probable) of less than 5 meters, suggesting a deliberate Russian attack.

 

Of course more investigation needs doing.

[ozimoron]

Trump said the missile landed 50 miles inside Ukraine, demonstrating his grip on facts. Not senile at all.

[KhunLA]

I'm skeptical of the news report ...

... grain driers do have a tendency to explode, and have made the news doing so.

 

An explosion near border ... must be a RU missile ????

[Bkk Brian]

Biden says it's "unlikely" missile that fell in Poland was fired from Russia

US President Joe Biden said that preliminary information suggests it is unlikely the missile that caused an explosion in Poland on Tuesday and killed two civilians was fired from within Russia.

Speaking to reporters after meeting with other world leaders in Bali, Indonesia, the president was asked if it was too early to say whether the projectile was fired from Russia.

"There is preliminary information that contests that. I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate it," Biden responded.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-11-15-22/h_1edfd5e923d999f97db39db282a1cc5c

[rgraham]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Biden says it's "unlikely" missile that fell in Poland was fired from Russia

US President Joe Biden said that preliminary information suggests it is unlikely the missile that caused an explosion in Poland on Tuesday and killed two civilians was fired from within Russia.

Speaking to reporters after meeting with other world leaders in Bali, Indonesia, the president was asked if it was too early to say whether the projectile was fired from Russia.

"There is preliminary information that contests that. I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate it," Biden responded.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-11-15-22/h_1edfd5e923d999f97db39db282a1cc5c

Of course, just a few days ago he did not know if he was in Columbia or Cambodia.

[Denim]

3 minutes ago, rgraham said:

Of course, just a few days ago he did not know if he was in Columbia or Cambodia.

Not his fault. His minders mislaid the big key that goes into his back to give him a full wind.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, rgraham said:

Of course, just a few days ago he did not know if he was in Columbia or Cambodia.

But Trump claimed the rocket landed 50 miles into Poland. Senile, obviously.

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, rgraham said:

Of course, just a few days ago he did not know if he was in Columbia or Cambodia.

So when Biden does not accuse Russia directly and in fact makes it clear that it needs a full investigation you go onto deflect to a totally unrelated issue?

[placeholder]

46 minutes ago, rgraham said:

Of course, just a few days ago he did not know if he was in Columbia or Cambodia.

 

42 minutes ago, Denim said:

Not his fault. His minders mislaid the big key that goes into his back to give him a full wind.

What rgraham and Denim are not used to is a President who can be forthright and honest and not perpetuate empty rumors. What Biden did is actually very creditable. He didn't falsely ascribe this incident to the Russians. He forthrightly squelched rumors and speculation to the contrary. There's a lesson in this for Putin and his mini-me, Donald Trump. Not one that they're capable of absorbing, though.

[tomazbodner]

Seems the explosion was caused by the Ukrainian air defense system, according to latest reports from Poland.

[visabouncer]

As far as I know NATO is a kind of security insurance alliance ruled by the USA, right? So, I suggest that when something happens with a customer (e.g. Poland), a good insurance agency will require investigation to prove that a customer really should be serviced (e.g. p.5 of NATO could be applied).

Edited November 16, 2022 by visabouncer

[Northstar1]

If the Russian people didn’t start this mess it wouldn’t have happened! 
more innocent people are dying, tit for tat?

bomb the farg out of Russian cities and infrastructure!

make their innocent people suffer as well!

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Northstar1 said:

If the Russian people didn’t start this mess it wouldn’t have happened! 
more innocent people are dying, tit for tat?

bomb the farg out of Russian cities and infrastructure!

make their innocent people suffer as well!

Are you suffering under the delusion that Russia is anything but a dictatorship?

[Mac Mickmanus]

28 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Seems the explosion was caused by the Ukrainian air defense system, according to latest reports from Poland.

I do hope that all those who were abusive to Putin and also called him a liar will apologise to him now 

[ozimoron]

20 minutes ago, Northstar1 said:

If the Russian people didn’t start this mess it wouldn’t have happened! 
more innocent people are dying, tit for tat?

bomb the farg out of Russian cities and infrastructure!

make their innocent people suffer as well!

I see you are new around here. Welcome, but please don't try to subvert the board rules by hiding profanity.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do hope that all those who were abusive to Putin and also called him a liar will apologise to him now 

Apologise for what, what did he say about this?

[ozimoron]

20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do hope that all those who were abusive to Putin and also called him a liar will apologise to him now 

Apologise to a war criminal?

[metisdead]

Russia slams Ukraine as details emerge suggesting Kyiv’s forces fired the missile that hit Poland

 

A flurry of urgent and high-level diplomatic talks are taking place among NATO members on Wednesday as more details emerge following a missile that struck Polish territory last night.

Russia was heavily suspected of firing the missile that killed two Polish citizens, although it denied any involvement, calling it a “provocation.” Meanwhile, NATO members — particularly Poland and its Eastern European neighbors, and former Soviet states in the Baltics — said there would be a tough response if Russia is found to be behind the attack.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html

 

[ozimoron]

U.S. President Joe Biden told allies that a missile that killed two people in Poland was a Ukrainian air defence missile, a NATO source said on Wednesday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-hails-chinas-opposition-nuclear-threats-2022-11-15/

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Apologise to a war criminal?

Apologise for being mistaken and for falsely accusing others .

Will people who stated  that it was a Russian rocket that hit Ukraine , will they now admit they were wrong ?

[Neeranam]

I don't trust Ukraine or their leader. 

I suspect he is trying to to stir up the countries who are already helping him. 

Time we left those two countries to get at them themselves. 

 

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Apologise for being mistaken and for falsely accusing others .

Will people who stated  that it was a Russian rocket that hit Ukraine , will they now admit they were wrong ?

It was a Russian rocket. That story never changed. Another story that never changed was that nobody of consequence who's not Ukrainian ever said that Russia fired it.

 

Furthermore, it was admitted early on that there were no military targets in the district. Finally, the missile was fired in an attempt to defend against the commission of yet another war crime.

Edited November 16, 2022 by ozimoron