Independence referendum: Scottish government loses indyref2 court case

[puchooay]

16 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Link please or stop trolling.

A link to the forum you are posting on? That's possibly the funniest post I've ever seen on here.

[puchooay]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I think you are twisting my post to fuel your own irrational ire. I made it clear that were Scotland to assume a proportion of the UK debt then it will merely need to service it as England will be in no position to pay off their share.

 

Then I told you about the UN convention on seceding nations. You might not like it, but that's the position of the UN, which the UK helped devise.

 

Personally I prefer to own my obligations. Indeed, it's a better bargaining position. We will, after all, expect to receive a share of the UK's assets commensurate with our share of debt.

You can expect what you like. There will be talks. If both sides don't agree, bye bye independence.

[Phulublub]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

1.  The NHS is enjoying significantly more than the promised £350m per week, they are just too wasteful to make it count.

2.  If everyone in Scotland who was eligible to vote actually did vote in the EU ref, and those who did not vote voted to remain, that would have been enough for the UK vote to be Remain.   Blame your fellow Scots for the outcome, not the English.   It's Scotland's fault they are being dragged out of the EU supported explicitly by those who voted to leave in Scotland, and implicitly by those who did not vote at all.  

There is some weird thinking going on there!

 

PH

[Phulublub]

2 hours ago, Joe Farang said:

The last of the true Scots were killed off in the battle of Culloden. 

All that is left now are watered down Anglacised Scots who may huff and puff about independence, but will vote no when it comes down to it.

Clearly someone who knows his history.  Or not. 

 

You might like to (but probably won't) read up on who was fighting who at Culloden.  Maybe you are a little confused and intended Stirling, or Falkirk. 

Who are these Angles, anyhow?  Are they perhaps related to the Saxons?  Where did they come from...oh!

 

PH

[Joe Farang]

19 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Clearly someone who knows his history.  Or not. 

 

You might like to (but probably won't) read up on who was fighting who at Culloden.  Maybe you are a little confused and intended Stirling, or Falkirk. 

Who are these Angles, anyhow?  Are they perhaps related to the Saxons?  Where did they come from...oh!

 

PH

Watered down by the English, who originated from West Germanic tribes, one of which was the Angles as well as Saxons, Jutes and Frisians.

 

Oh and the Scots originated in Ireland. They moved to Scotland to avoid a famine, where they killed or displaced the Picts

Edited November 25, 2022 by Joe Farang
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[puchooay]

23 minutes ago, Joe Farang said:

Oh and the Scots originated in Ireland. They moved to Scotland to avoid a famine, where they killed or displaced the Picts

I think you'll find all Britons originated from mainland Europe. 

 

 

 

[pacovl46]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Sometimes people need to be protected from themselves. An independent Scotland would be a disaster, a failed state. There are so many reasons why they should remain in the UK it's not even funny. 

 

Don't let a few anti-English nationalist extremists shout down the majority.

That's merely your opinion! Besides, it's not up to you, its up to them and even if they were to separate and fail as a state, it would be their right to do so. 

[James105]

11 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

That's merely your opinion! Besides, it's not up to you, its up to them and even if they were to separate and fail as a state, it would be their right to do so. 

Where exactly do you think the refugees from Scotland would head if it became a failed state?  I'd say the English have plenty to be concerned about here.   But anyway, since they have already had a referendum and sensibly chose to remain in the union this is not even a debate anymore.  The only reason the anti-English zealots in the SNP keep this going is to distract from their failures running Scotland's education system, ferries and all the drugs issues.    

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Asterix Le Gaulois 555

I first discovered them as Asterix Gallus in junior high school.

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Where exactly do you think the refugees from Scotland would head if it became a failed state?  I'd say the English have plenty to be concerned about here.   But anyway, since they have already had a referendum and sensibly chose to remain in the union this is not even a debate anymore.  The only reason the anti-English zealots in the SNP keep this going is to distract from their failures running Scotland's education system, ferries and all the drugs issues.    

The Scots voted quite sensibly maintained the Union; the English, in contrast, voted to destroy the one with Europe. 

 

PH

[Phulublub]

3 hours ago, Joe Farang said:

Watered down by the English, who originated from West Germanic tribes, one of which was the Angles as well as Saxons, Jutes and Frisians.

 

Oh and the Scots originated in Ireland. They moved to Scotland to avoid a famine, where they killed or displaced the Picts

Managed to skip answering the underlying question though...if caught in ignorance then it is often a good idea to try to distract, dissemble and divert the conversation.  Well done.

 

PH

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[Mac Mickmanus]

6 hours ago, Phulublub said:

The Scots voted quite sensibly maintained the Union; the English, in contrast, voted to destroy the one with Europe. 

 

PH

It was the British who voted to leave the E.U , it wasn't the English 

[pacovl46]

14 hours ago, James105 said:

Where exactly do you think the refugees from Scotland would head if it became a failed state?  I'd say the English have plenty to be concerned about here.   But anyway, since they have already had a referendum and sensibly chose to remain in the union this is not even a debate anymore.  The only reason the anti-English zealots in the SNP keep this going is to distract from their failures running Scotland's education system, ferries and all the drugs 

You're totally missing the point!!!! All the reasons you came with so far are totally irrelevant! There was a massive change of circumstance since the last vote that has a massive impact on all UK citizens and for the last time that's why they should be allowed to vote again. End of story! 

[Phulublub]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was the British who voted to leave the E.U , it wasn't the English 

Technically correct, especially as those in Northern Ireland voted in aggregate to remain so discounting them (as you appear to have done) would have made the result more than 52/48.  But then so did those in Scotland.

 

PH

[Caldera]

Just ignore the shameful decision of the oppressor's so-called "Supreme Court" and hold the referendum anyway.

[Phulublub]

6 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Just ignore the shameful decision of the oppressor's so-called "Supreme Court" and hold the referendum anyway.

Aiming to start your Independence with unlawful acts is really not a good idea.  Argue your case, convince doubters and if you get enugh support then eventually you will win.

 

PH

[Caldera]

6 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Aiming to start your Independence with unlawful acts is really not a good idea.  Argue your case, convince doubters and if you get enugh support then eventually you will win.

 

PH

Most revolutions start with unlawful acts. How else to get rid of unjust oppression?

 

I'm sure the fact that the English now control Scotland would have been unlawful under Scottish law at some point in history.

[Phulublub]

2 hours ago, Caldera said:

Most revolutions start with unlawful acts. How else to get rid of unjust oppression?

 

I'm sure the fact that the English now control Scotland would have been unlawful under Scottish law at some point in history.

Well I, for one, do not want a revolution. 

 

All I wish for is an opportunity for those living in Scotland (which now excludes me) to be able to vote again given the huge change in circumstances since 2014.  That will happen, it is just a matter of time.

 

PH

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Aiming to start your Independence with unlawful acts is really not a good idea.  Argue your case, convince doubters and if you get enough support then eventually you will win.

I think that's already been done. The brexit disaster would result in a wipeout for the remainers if either referendum was held today I believe. Let's see how the polls stack up in the coming months.

[James105]

6 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

You're totally missing the point!!!! All the reasons you came with so far are totally irrelevant! There was a massive change of circumstance since the last vote that has a massive impact on all UK citizens and for the last time that's why they should be allowed to vote again. End of story! 

 Yes, and the Scottish participated in the vote as part of the UK to make that change.   If all the Scots had all voted to Remain, or at least of those who did not vote at all voted to remain then the UK would still be in the EU.   I don't see any good reason at all why such an expensive and divisive exercise should be repeated so soon after the last one.   Besides, it's Englands turn to have a vote on whether England wants to be part of a union with such miserable and complaining neighbours next anyway, so how about you try again after we have had our turn?  

 

[Phoenix Rising]

20 hours ago, James105 said:

Where exactly do you think the refugees from Scotland would head if it became a failed state?  I'd say the English have plenty to be concerned about here. 

When Scotland becomes independent and joins the EU it won't be long before hordes of starving English refugees head to Scotland and Ireland. IMO they should be turned away unless they say they voted no to the Brexit fiasco.

[puchooay]

8 minutes ago, James105 said:

 Yes, and the Scottish participated in the vote as part of the UK to make that change.   If all the Scots had all voted to Remain, or at least of those who did not vote at all voted to remain then the UK would still be in the EU.   I don't see any good reason at all why such an expensive and divisive exercise should be repeated so soon after the last one.   Besides, it's Englands turn to have a vote on whether England wants to be part of a union with such miserable and complaining neighbours next anyway, so how about you try again after we have had our turn?  

 

Exactly.

 

It would be great to see the English start to push for independence.

 

Then watch the Scots and Welsh start complaint with " oh no. You can't do that.

 

Come to think about it. Many on here shout about how they believe the English run the UK. Let's just leave. If we run the show, no need for referendum. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by puchooay

[puchooay]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

When Scotland becomes independent and joins the EU it won't be long before hordes of starving English refugees head to Scotland and Ireland. IMO they should be turned away unless they say they voted no to the Brexit fiasco.

Scotland won't be able to join the EU until at least 10 years after independence, if at all.

 

By then they'll be down and out.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, puchooay said:

Scotland won't be able to join the EU until at least 10 years after independence, if at all.

 

By then they'll be down and out.

Link please?

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, puchooay said:

Scotland won't be able to join the EU until at least 10 years after independence, if at all.

So the sooner the better then.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

When Scotland becomes independent and joins the EU it won't be long before hordes of starving English refugees head to Scotland and Ireland. IMO they should be turned away unless they say they voted no to the Brexit fiasco.

Scotland should annexe the land north of Hadrian's Wall and raise it.

[IvorBiggun2]

13 minutes ago, James105 said:

Besides, it's Englands turn to have a vote on whether England wants to be part of a union with such miserable and complaining neighbours next anyway

Having lived in Kirkcudbright for a number of years in the past I wouldn't give them the time of day. They think they're hard done by by the English for stealing their oil. I'm sure they think they'd all be millionaires if it wasn't for us.

Edited November 26, 2022 by IvorBiggun2

[Phoenix Rising]

7 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Exactly.

 

It would be great to see the English start to push for independence.

 

Then watch the Scots and Welsh start complaint with " oh no. You can't do that.

 

Come to think about it. Many on here shout about how they believe the English run the UK. Let's just leave. If we run the show, no need for referendum. 

Good idea. Then you can yet again negotiate amazing trade agreements with countries like Yemen, Afghanistan....... and Guyana and..........many more.

You guys will be rich beyond belief!????

Edited November 26, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

[puchooay]

29 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Link please?

For someone who supports Sturgeon, you don't seem to spend much time listening to her. If you did, you would know why.