More refreshing (and surprising) honesty from mainstream media.

[rumak]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You obviously did'nt read her full submission. 

you obviously do not grasp the meaning of my submission.   this does not surprise me at all .  and i have no desire to explain it to you ,  as you see only what you want to .  Just keep on with CNN and BBC and all the paid for media spin .....   

As others are pointing out on this thread,  it is refreshing that many people ARE starting to understand that there is much more to the covid story than people were told .  obviously you are not one of them.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, rumak said:

you obviously do not grasp the meaning of my submission.   this does not surprise me at all .  and i have no desire to explain it to you ,  as you see only what you want to .  Just keep on with CNN and BBC and all the paid for media spin .....   

as others are pointing out on this thread,  it is refreshing that many people ARE starting to understand that there is much more to the covid story than people were told .  obviously you are not one of them.

I didn't refer to CNN or BBC, I referred to the topic and the submission by Dr Phelps in its entirety. However its obvious you will remain blind to it so I wont bother repeating more of its contents to you.

[rumak]

2 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

I don't find it at all amazing.

 

Many people have believed - perhaps all their lives - that their governments truly care about them and have the competence to better their lives.

 

They now have to face the awful reality that that belief was built on sand, that they are regarded as no better than livestock, to be tabulated in a government spreadsheet created and run by mediocre fools.

 

That is a devastating and painful realization, and I am not at all surprised that people cannot admit it to themselves.

you are right !  amazing is not the right word for these people.   not even surprised would fit.  I guess the reality is ....... it is extremely saddening that so many can not break free to see reality.

the reality that they have been led, just like livestock .   

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

How can I be drawing something away when I provided the link to her full statement? The fact she is calling for more research into vaccine side effects and long covid together with mitigation strategies for reducing the spread of covid. The wild conspiracy theories she mentions by anti vaxxers. The abuse she's now getting online by anti vaxxers. The need to be open about side effects and long covid by infection. Yes she has talked about her side effects together with a lot of other issues that include stating:

 

"However, she still strongly supports Covid vaccination as the benefits far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people."

 

I will not be dropping factual information for you or anybody else

 

 

 

 

I have downloaded and read her full report. Excerpts:

 

This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe
neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and
gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself,
another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation. I continue to observe
the devastating effects a year and a half later with the addition of fatigue and additional
neurological symptoms including nerve pains, altered sense of smell, visual disturbance and
musculoskeletal inflammation. The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several
specialists who have told me that they have seen “a lot” of patients in a similar situation.
Jackie asked me to include her story to raise awareness for others.

We did a lot of homework before having the vaccine, particularly about choice of vaccine at
the time. In asking about adverse side effects, we were told that “the worst thing that could
happen would be anaphylaxis” and that severe reactions such as myocarditis and
pericarditis were “rare”.

I was also diagnosed with a vaccine injury from my second dose of Pfizer vaccine in July
2021, with the diagnosis and causation confirmed by specialist colleagues.
I have had CT pulmonary angiogram, ECG, blood tests, cardiac echogram, transthoracic
cardiac stress echo, Holter monitor, blood pressure monitoring and autonomic testing.
Inquiry into Long COVID and Repeated COVID Infections.

In my case the injury resulted in dysautonomia with intermittent fevers and cardiovascular
implications including breathlessness, inappropriate sinus tachycardia and blood pressure
fluctuations.
These reactions were reported to the TGA at the time, but never followed up.

 

I have spoken with other doctors who have themselves experienced a serious and persistent
adverse event including cardiological, rheumatological, autoimmune reactions and
neurological consequences. Patients and other members of the community have told me
about their stories.

 

Within this group of vaccine injured individuals, there is a diminishing cohort of people who
have symptoms following immunisation, many of which are similar to Long COVID (such as
fatigue and brain fog), but who have not had a COVID infection. These people would be an
important subset or control group for studies looking into the pathophysiology, causes of
and treatments for Long COVID.

It is possible that there is at least some shared pathophysiology between vaccine injury and
Long COVID, possibly due to the effects of spike protein.
A group of Greek scientists publish a good summary on the “spike”, which points to a
possible mechanism of causality.

Vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about.
Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events
following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about
anything that “might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout” or risk suspension or
loss of their registration.

 

I raised the above points countless times on this forum over the past 15 months, and each time I was called stupid, crazy and a misinformation spreader, including by you. I have dozens of screenshots to prove it.

 

Now in light of this testimony, are you willing to acknowledge that maybe the concerns raised over these 15 months were valid? Do you still think the Covid vaccine is safe and effective?

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

I hope not, as I think their perspective on this unmitigated disaster will be crucial.

 

I don't see them as opponents or enemies. We were (and still are) all rats in a cage, subjected to a sustained, vicious and very sophisticated propaganda campaign. Many people went along with the propaganda, and some decided not to.

 

The Covid-induced pantomime is not over; we're just in a 'phoney war' stage. The restrictions that were brought in for Covid are going to be replayed over influenza, RSV, climate change and other issues deemed to be  "for the greater good".

 

The more people who fell for Covid propaganda who now realize what a crock of s**t the whole thing was, and decide to speak out against it, the better.

You're right, but first, those who went along with this and participated in vilifying and persecuting those who resisted it will have to admit they were wrong and apologise to those whose life they willfully made a misery. I don't thing the pro-vaxxers on this forum are capable of that but I will give them opportunities to prove me wrong.

[rumak]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Rumak addressed that point.

haha  thanks mr snake .   Boy,  the reading comprehension of some really explains why they can not be introduced to any intelligent analysis.   To them, "critical thinking"  means you call names and say "rubbish"  to anything beyond your intellectual limits

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I have downloaded and read her full report. Excerpts:

 

This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe
neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and
gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself,
another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation. I continue to observe
the devastating effects a year and a half later with the addition of fatigue and additional
neurological symptoms including nerve pains, altered sense of smell, visual disturbance and
musculoskeletal inflammation. The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several
specialists who have told me that they have seen “a lot” of patients in a similar situation.
Jackie asked me to include her story to raise awareness for others.

We did a lot of homework before having the vaccine, particularly about choice of vaccine at
the time. In asking about adverse side effects, we were told that “the worst thing that could
happen would be anaphylaxis” and that severe reactions such as myocarditis and
pericarditis were “rare”.

I was also diagnosed with a vaccine injury from my second dose of Pfizer vaccine in July
2021, with the diagnosis and causation confirmed by specialist colleagues.
I have had CT pulmonary angiogram, ECG, blood tests, cardiac echogram, transthoracic
cardiac stress echo, Holter monitor, blood pressure monitoring and autonomic testing.
Inquiry into Long COVID and Repeated COVID Infections.

In my case the injury resulted in dysautonomia with intermittent fevers and cardiovascular
implications including breathlessness, inappropriate sinus tachycardia and blood pressure
fluctuations.
These reactions were reported to the TGA at the time, but never followed up.

 

I have spoken with other doctors who have themselves experienced a serious and persistent
adverse event including cardiological, rheumatological, autoimmune reactions and
neurological consequences. Patients and other members of the community have told me
about their stories.

 

Within this group of vaccine injured individuals, there is a diminishing cohort of people who
have symptoms following immunisation, many of which are similar to Long COVID (such as
fatigue and brain fog), but who have not had a COVID infection. These people would be an
important subset or control group for studies looking into the pathophysiology, causes of
and treatments for Long COVID.

It is possible that there is at least some shared pathophysiology between vaccine injury and
Long COVID, possibly due to the effects of spike protein.
A group of Greek scientists publish a good summary on the “spike”, which points to a
possible mechanism of causality.

Vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about.
Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events
following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about
anything that “might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout” or risk suspension or
loss of their registration.

 

I raised the above points countless times on this forum over the past 15 months, and each time I was called stupid, crazy and a misinformation spreader, including by you. I have dozens of screenshots to prove it.

 

Now in light of this testimony, are you willing to acknowledge that maybe the concerns raised over these 15 months were valid? Do you still think the Covid vaccine is safe and effective?

Finally someone read it. However all you've done is put out what main stream media put out. There's  another 16 pages of context on that. 

 

My personal opinion in reading and digesting all of it. She comes across as credible in all she has to say and her recommendations. I'm not cherry picking any single parts. Vaccine side effects are known about, she has raised her personal experience along with her partners. However the benefits outweigh the risks for most people.

[still kicking]

I had 4 shots of Pfizer have many underlining conditions (Diabetes, Heart problems,) I did not even get a sore arm. I don't know anybody who had a bad reaction after vaccination but had 2 friends dying of covid both in there 40th both nurses and both healthy 

[rattlesnake]

50 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Finally someone read it. However all you've done is put out what main stream media put out. There's  another 16 pages of context on that. 

 

My personal opinion in reading and digesting all of it. She comes across as credible in all she has to say and her recommendations. I'm not cherry picking any single parts. Vaccine side effects are known about, she has raised her personal experience along with her partners. However the benefits outweigh the risks for most people.

I agree with you apart from the last sentence, but still, this is a distinct step forward and I am confident the truth will be fully disclosed in the near future.

 

Thanks.

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I agree with you apart from the last sentence, but still, this is a distinct step forward and I am confident the truth will be fully disclosed in the near future.

 

Thanks.

The last sentence is also her sentiment. If you agree and find her credible then  logically that is also part of her submission. Along with her multiple recommendations.

[KhunLA]

They redefined the meaning of a man and a woman.... along with redefining the meaning of vaccine.

 

Feel free to trust the snake oil salesperson if you want ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

[rumak]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

They redefined the meaning of a man and a woman.... along with redefining the meaning of vaccine.

 

Feel free to trust the snake oil salesperson if you want ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

Nothing recently............. because the pharma bosses got smart and just paid to put all their puppets in positions in the FDA and Who and ... well, everywhere !

[KhunLA]

34 minutes ago, rumak said:

Nothing recently............. because the pharma bosses got smart and just paid to put all their puppets in positions in the FDA and Who and ... well, everywhere !

Even got 'vaccine' redefined ... simply amazing.

 

Falls (vaccines) under a whole different set of laws for lawsuits.  Even have there own 'vaccine court' (USA), for quick settlements they don't have to take responsibility for.  Part of each sale (taxed) goes toward settlements and keeping the court operational.  Mind boggling to say the least.

 

Not that I ever did put much stock in them, but I don't trust UN, WHO, WTO, FDA, CDC, pretty much anything big pharm or govt say anymore, as there's simply too many Billions of $$$ at stake.

 

IMHO ... the whole system is simply too corrupt.  If covid didn't prove that ... that speaks volumes for the deaf, dumb & blind simply believing anything they're told.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation

 

"VICP is funded by a 75-cent excise tax on each dose of the 16 CDC-recommended vaccines and currently has nearly $4.3 billion on hand. Congress must also appropriate money from the fund to cover Department of Justice attorneys’ and the federal claims court’s work to process claims, in addition to the claims themselves."

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/01/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs-overwhelmed-as-congressional-reform-languishes-00033064

 

Some might think this was the motive to redefine vaccine.  

"For most drugs—actually, every type of drug other than vaccines—the manufacturer can be legally liable for harm that results from a product it sells. Vaccines are produced by privately held pharmaceutical companies, but they have a unique arrangement with the U.S. government: When a person reports harm that could feasibly be related to a vaccine, a government program—not a pharmaceutical company—pays compensation."

 https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/05/vaccine-safety-program/589354/

[rumak]

13 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Even got 'vaccine' redefined ... simply amazing.

 

Falls (vaccines) under a whole different set of laws for lawsuits.  Even have there own 'vaccine court' (USA), for quick settlements they don't have to take responsibility for.  Part of each sale (taxed) goes toward settlements and keeping the court operational.  Mind boggling to say the least.

 

Not that I ever did put much stock in them, but I don't trust UN, WHO, WTO, FDA, CDC, pretty much anything big pharm or govt say anymore, as there's simply too many Billions of $$$ at stake.

 

IMHO ... the whole system is simply too corrupt.  If covid didn't prove that ... that speaks volumes for the deaf, dumb & blind simply believing anything they're told.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation

 

"VICP is funded by a 75-cent excise tax on each dose of the 16 CDC-recommended vaccines and currently has nearly $4.3 billion on hand. Congress must also appropriate money from the fund to cover Department of Justice attorneys’ and the federal claims court’s work to process claims, in addition to the claims themselves."

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/01/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs-overwhelmed-as-congressional-reform-languishes-00033064

 

thank you .

[pomchop]

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

You're right, but first, those who went along with this and participated in vilifying and persecuting those who resisted it will have to admit they were wrong and apologise to those whose life they willfully made a misery. I don't thing the pro-vaxxers on this forum are capable of that but I will give them opportunities to prove me wrong.

what a load of rubbish.....covid vaccines saved millions of lives and reduced severity of disease for the vast majority of people who got infected.... one study where some had an adverse reaction to the shot but they themselves admit that  the benefits outweigh the risks for most people is the "proof". 

 

So here we go again with the anti vax crowd spreading all kinds of nonsense implying that the world would be better off without the vaccines?  Hogwash more rabbit hole conspiracy theories brought up by the same crowd that see a conspiracy around every corner and quote from one study while ignoring tons of studies peer reviewed and backed up by stat after stat from real hospitals and real docs and nurses who witnessed first hand the horrors of the unvaxxed clogging hospitals whose last words were i should have gotten the vaccine.  If any apologies are owed it is the anti vaxxers who pushed all the garbage that convinced so many not to get vaxxed and ended up dead.

 

Gee i thought it was all a chinese hoax anyway so why did we need any vaccines?

[rattlesnake]

28 minutes ago, pomchop said:

what a load of rubbish.....covid vaccines saved millions of lives and reduced severity of disease for the vast majority of people who got infected.... one study where some had an adverse reaction to the shot but they themselves admit that  the benefits outweigh the risks for most people is the "proof". 

 

So here we go again with the anti vax crowd spreading all kinds of nonsense implying that the world would be better off without the vaccines?  Hogwash more rabbit hole conspiracy theories brought up by the same crowd that see a conspiracy around every corner and quote from one study while ignoring tons of studies peer reviewed and backed up by stat after stat from real hospitals and real docs and nurses who witnessed first hand the horrors of the unvaxxed clogging hospitals whose last words were i should have gotten the vaccine.  If any apologies are owed it is the anti vaxxers who pushed all the garbage that convinced so many not to get vaxxed and ended up dead.

 

Gee i thought it was all a chinese hoax anyway so why did we need any vaccines?

Nice effort but that's 2021 rhetoric. I would avoid posting such views from now on if I were you.

[placeholder]

20 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I have downloaded and read her full report. Excerpts:

 

This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe
neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and
gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself,
another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation. I continue to observe
the devastating effects a year and a half later with the addition of fatigue and additional
neurological symptoms including nerve pains, altered sense of smell, visual disturbance and
musculoskeletal inflammation. The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several
specialists who have told me that they have seen “a lot” of patients in a similar situation.
Jackie asked me to include her story to raise awareness for others.

We did a lot of homework before having the vaccine, particularly about choice of vaccine at
the time. In asking about adverse side effects, we were told that “the worst thing that could
happen would be anaphylaxis” and that severe reactions such as myocarditis and
pericarditis were “rare”.

I was also diagnosed with a vaccine injury from my second dose of Pfizer vaccine in July
2021, with the diagnosis and causation confirmed by specialist colleagues.
I have had CT pulmonary angiogram, ECG, blood tests, cardiac echogram, transthoracic
cardiac stress echo, Holter monitor, blood pressure monitoring and autonomic testing.
Inquiry into Long COVID and Repeated COVID Infections.

In my case the injury resulted in dysautonomia with intermittent fevers and cardiovascular
implications including breathlessness, inappropriate sinus tachycardia and blood pressure
fluctuations.
These reactions were reported to the TGA at the time, but never followed up.

 

I have spoken with other doctors who have themselves experienced a serious and persistent
adverse event including cardiological, rheumatological, autoimmune reactions and
neurological consequences. Patients and other members of the community have told me
about their stories.

 

Within this group of vaccine injured individuals, there is a diminishing cohort of people who
have symptoms following immunisation, many of which are similar to Long COVID (such as
fatigue and brain fog), but who have not had a COVID infection. These people would be an
important subset or control group for studies looking into the pathophysiology, causes of
and treatments for Long COVID.

It is possible that there is at least some shared pathophysiology between vaccine injury and
Long COVID, possibly due to the effects of spike protein.
A group of Greek scientists publish a good summary on the “spike”, which points to a
possible mechanism of causality.

Vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about.
Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events
following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about
anything that “might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout” or risk suspension or
loss of their registration.

 

I raised the above points countless times on this forum over the past 15 months, and each time I was called stupid, crazy and a misinformation spreader, including by you. I have dozens of screenshots to prove it.

 

Now in light of this testimony, are you willing to acknowledge that maybe the concerns raised over these 15 months were valid? Do you still think the Covid vaccine is safe and effective?

I can see from this entry of yours that you haven't a clue about how epidemiology works. This tear jerking testimony somehow counts as serious evidence? This might get the author of the piece a good grade in a writing class, but it has nothing to do with science.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Nice effort but that's 2021 rhetoric. I would avoid posting such views from now on if I were you.

I avoid taking seriously people who posit massive conspiracy theories to explain why their version of reality hasn't gained any traction.

[rumak]

4 hours ago, pomchop said:

what a load of rubbish.....covid vaccines saved millions of lives and reduced severity of disease for the vast majority of people who got infected.... one study where some had an adverse reaction to the shot but they themselves admit that  the benefits outweigh the risks for most people is the "proof". 

 

So here we go again with the anti vax crowd spreading all kinds of nonsense implying that the world would be better off without the vaccines?  Hogwash more rabbit hole conspiracy theories brought up by the same crowd that see a conspiracy around every corner and quote from one study while ignoring tons of studies peer reviewed and backed up by stat after stat from real hospitals and real docs and nurses who witnessed first hand the horrors of the unvaxxed clogging hospitals whose last words were i should have gotten the vaccine.  If any apologies are owed it is the anti vaxxers who pushed all the garbage that convinced so many not to get vaxxed and ended up dead.

 

Gee i thought it was all a chinese hoax anyway so why did we need any vaccines?

pretty easy to see that your post is almost all   "copy and paste".   What was your source from which it was copied ?  it definitely is being shown for what it is:  paid for lies

[rumak]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Nice effort but that's 2021 rhetoric. I would avoid posting such views from now on if I were you.

i just saw your post after i had posted mine .   brilliant minds think alike . !

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, rumak said:

pretty easy to see that your post is almost all   "copy and paste".   What was your source from which it was copied ?  it definitely is being shown for what it is:  paid for lies

Did you do a search for it? That would be the sensible course before making accusations. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, rumak said:

pretty easy to see that your post is almost all   "copy and paste".   What was your source from which it was copied ?  it definitely is being shown for what it is:  paid for lies

Its not indexed in Google, seems your speculating yet again

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its not indexed in Google, seems your speculating yet again

Google must be in on the conspiracy to hide the source.

[placeholder]

On 12/21/2022 at 5:55 PM, Eleftheros said:

Lots of perpetrators know that the game is now up and are trying to rewrite history to pretend they were always against lockdowns, suppression and mandated vaccinations.

 

Those who can't claim that because their fingerprints are too obvious will peddle the line that they had been "acting in our best interests all along."

 

Just like in 1946 when every French person claimed to have been in the Resistance.

Name some.

[placeholder]

On 12/21/2022 at 8:27 PM, MichaelHunt said:

1. It's against forum rules to bold print. 

 

This is a comment of someone who has run out of arguments.

 

2. Nobody is Australia is prohibited from reading anything. 

 

Yes they are. They are prohibited from reading everything that is not allowed to be written due to censorship.

 

3. This person is just searching for relevance having lost her bid for a parliamentary seat at the last election. The chances that both she and her wife both suffering debilitating effects of the vaccine have to be vanishingly small given the reported statistics. 

 

Correct - as you say - "given the REPORTED statistics". But given the true numbers, which, again, we don't get to see without really searching for them due to massive censorship, the debilitating effects of the vaccines are staggeringly high. If the risks were really as "vanishingly small" as you say they are, what is the probability that two people in the same family, as it were, would both be suffering debilitating effects from the "vaccine"? I would say the odds of a safe vaccine affecting two people in the same family would be vanishingly small.

You really got to take a basic course in statistics. There are people out there who win 2 lotteries, The odds of that are vanishingly small, too. Does that prove that anything other than the laws of chance were operative? Also, just because 2 people came down with the same symptoms after being vaccinated, doesn't prove that it was the vaccination that did it. There's a saying about a logical fallacy in inductive reasoning that's thousands of years old. "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc". Which means "after this therefore because of this". There are, in fact, huge databases or reported symptoms that are sifted and compared to actual data. A few statistically significant correlations have been uncovered. But nothing like the nonsense that the anti-vaxxers contend is the case.

[placeholder]

21 hours ago, rumak said:

you obviously do not grasp the meaning of my submission.   this does not surprise me at all .  and i have no desire to explain it to you ,  as you see only what you want to .  Just keep on with CNN and BBC and all the paid for media spin .....   

 

In other words, you've got nothing.

[Mark Nothing]

Thank you for posting this article about vaccine poisoning.  

 

Defering your health decisions to those with a vested interest in making you sicker is imprudent.  

 

I have read many books about vaccinations from those authors free from conflicts of interest.  It has been a real eye opener.  I disregard the opinions of those who benefit financially from their recommendations.

 

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

I can see from this entry of yours that you haven't a clue about how epidemiology works. This tear jerking testimony somehow counts as serious evidence? This might get the author of the piece a good grade in a writing class, but it has nothing to do with science.

And I can see (as expected) that you are part of 2-3 stragglers who for some reason refuse to change their stance, no matter what. It is going to be interesting and amusing to see just how far it will go.

[placeholder]

14 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

And I can see (as expected) that you are part of 2-3 stragglers who for some reason refuse to change their stance, no matter what. It is going to be interesting and amusing to see just how far it will go.

Sure. My comeuppance is coming any day now. Just like Jesus.

All you've got is empty gloating about the future.

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

I can see from this entry of yours that you haven't a clue about how epidemiology works. This tear jerking testimony somehow counts as serious evidence? This might get the author of the piece a good grade in a writing class, but it has nothing to do with science.

Care to expand a bit on this? I assume you have read the report? Do you mean she is lying and shouldn't be taken seriously?

 

Please address the questions directly and avoid using pseudo-jargon.