Australian Man Arrested at Samui Airport with 96 Bullets and Disassembled Firearm

[bumpkin]

Oh Mr Attacker, please wait a moment while I  reassemble my gun, to protect myself !!!!!!!

[mikeymike100]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously? They don't know what a disassembled gun looks like? LOL.

Yes, that is very worrying?

[mikeymike100]

17 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Lock him up and throw away the key. Just for lying.

no trial, no due process, where are we a banana republic? Yes of course??????

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, mikeymike100 said:

no trial, no due process, where are we a banana republic? Yes of course??????

I never suggested that, I think a conviction is a foregone conclusion.

[Isaan sailor]

15 hours ago, bristolgeoff said:

He was really that stupid to carry a gun or bullets thru a airport anywhere in the world.Does not matter where u are from plan stupid

Not exactly.  In America, you can check a gun and ammunition in your luggage when flying domestically.  The gun must be properly stored in a lockable case, and you must declare it and show your valid gun license at check in.

[Mac Mickmanus]

25 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Yes, that is very worrying?

I do think that he was being sarcastic, like the Aussie guy thought customs wouldn't notice a de assembled gun, but they did indeed notice 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do think that he was being sarcastic, like the Aussie guy thought customs wouldn't notice a de assembled gun, but they did indeed notice 

The story about buying it outside a supermarket is a ploy to defend against being locked up again when he eventually returns to Australia.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The story about buying it outside a supermarket is a ploy to defend against being locked up again when he eventually returns to Australia.

Is this another of your non existent "laws"

What Australian laws has be broken which would warrant jail time in Australia ?

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is this another of your non existent "laws"

What Australian laws has be broken which would warrant jail time in Australia ?

Owning an unlicenced pistol. Exporting a firearm. Illegally procuring a prohibited weapon. There's probably a litany of other offenses as well. All of those offences will attract actual gaol time in Australia.

[radiochaser]

4 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Not exactly.  In America, you can check a gun and ammunition in your luggage when flying domestically.  The gun must be properly stored in a lockable case, and you must declare it and show your valid gun license at check in.

off the topic

Are you from one of the states that requires a gun license?   Without doing an internet search, two states I know of that require firearms licenses are  New York and New Jersey.  Perhaps Illinois, Minnesota and I think, most recently, California.

I have never shown a firearms license when checking a firearm for air travel in over 40 years of travel (I don't have and am not required to have a firearms license where I live).    It didn't matter what state I was in.  I never check a firearm for air travel on an aircraft that lands in or takes off from states that requires a "firearm license"!   What I am required to show on checking firearms in for a flight is that the firearm is not loaded, any ammo is in a box separate from the firearm (federal law stipulates the ammo box be a factory ammo box), and no ammo is in a magazine.  I think there is a limit on the number of rounds allowed to be checked in too.   I also carry a printed copy of the federal laws and airline requirements regulating the checking in of firearms for air travel.   Too many airline employees do not know what their airline employer or what the federal laws are for this.

Now days, I mostly drive if I take more than my carry pistol.  Federal laws provide protection for interstate transport of personal firearms. 

When I was gainfully employed, I used my federal agent ID & badge when checking in at airline counters.  It made the process of checking firearms easier as the airline employees did not freak out and call for managers when I told them I was checking a firearm in my baggage (it takes a little longer now that I am retired.) The airline employees frequently assumed I wanted to carry a loaded, concealed carry firearm into the cabin area.   I never did that.  Sometimes airline employees wanted to sit me near the other law enforcement people that were transporting criminals from one state to another.   I never did that as I wasn't being paid to accompany criminals in flight!!

[still kicking]

18 hours ago, steven100 said:

he's claiming it's his god given right according to the Australian constitution..  ????

Not funny

[Olmate]

27 minutes ago, Lacesspit said:

He looks like a kiddy fiddler as do most Australians?

You sound like a Cessil? lol! 

[BKKBike09]

7 hours ago, radiochaser said:

I have never shown a firearms license when checking a firearm for air travel in over 40 years of travel (I don't have and am not required to have a firearms license where I live).

As an aside, in Thailand the process requires you take weapon / any ammo in separate locked boxes to security at the airport in question. You need to show the original permit for that weapon (in Thailand the permit to own is specific to an individual firearm). You also need to show that the airline whose flight you're taking has accepted carriage of the gun /ammo. Many airlines have a limit on how many firearms can be accepted on a given flight (5 is common) and also limit on ammunition that can be carried. It's not a quick process. Plus this is only for domestic flights. International carriage is a whole different ball of wax.

[mikeymike100]

13 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I never suggested that, I think a conviction is a foregone conclusion.

I am in agreement that his conviction may be a foregone conclusion, after he has his trial?

[Doctor Tom]

2 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

As an aside, in Thailand the process requires you take weapon / any ammo in separate locked boxes to security at the airport in question. You need to show the original permit for that weapon (in Thailand the permit to own is specific to an individual firearm). You also need to show that the airline whose flight you're taking has accepted carriage of the gun /ammo. Many airlines have a limit on how many firearms can be accepted on a given flight (5 is common) and also limit on ammunition that can be carried. It's not a quick process. Plus this is only for domestic flights. International carriage is a whole different ball of wax.

The aircraft Captain has the final say in accepting the cargo, very many will not, unless its government specialist cargo, as many take the view that it is a violation of the ICAO rules on arms shipments, even in small quantities . 

[Lemsta69]

23 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

Some pics from Thai website cops-magazine. Looks like a disassembled Glock 26 or similar or maybe a copy. Pretty obvious his collection would be picked up by X-rays. If he had some reason for wanting to acquire this little lot and transport it to Bkk, the question comes to mind why not travel by surface?

 

The Thai police press release refers to “gun equivalent” because that is wording taken from the 1947 Firearms Act that equates gun parts, such as barrels, slides and frames, as gun equivalents with the same penalties for illegal possession as a completely built up gun. This may indicate that police intended to charge him with multiple counts of firearms possession - one for each disassembled part with 10 years max for each gun equivalent. He may have done better to have packed it completely assembled. 
 

The cartridges in the batches on the right look like 9mm that would fit the gun but the batches in the left are longer and look like .38 special for a revolver. (One of the revolver rounds oddly is a different style from the rest - black coated round nosed bullet in steel case, while the other revolver rounds are flat topped copper FMJ  in regular brass cases.) He said he needed the gun and ammo for self protection but didn’t explain why he thought he needed the revolver cartridges. I wonder if he planned to pick up a revolver later. Seems to imply intent to commit a further crime - perhaps selling arms and ammunition.  Perhaps the seller happened to have the .38 rounds he wanted to get off and the Ozzie bought them without looking in the bag. No doubt the investigators will be very curious about the mismatch of ammo.

 

No doubt the seller will turn out to be that mysterious Lek who returned to an unknown province immediately after the deal.

 

 

I swear to God bro, I knew he was a Bankstown boy before I saw this photo.

[Liverpool Lou]

22 hours ago, ozimoron said:

22 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He didn't bring it to Thailand.

so he said but he obviously lied. He sure didn't buy it outside a grocery store.

What evidence have you got for that assertion?    None?

[ozimoron]

33 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

I am in agreement that his conviction may be a foregone conclusion, after he has his trial?

He hasn't even been indicted yet. I'm dubious that insurrection will be charged but we'll see.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What evidence have you got for that assertion?    None?

If you believe he bought a gun from some random Thai outside a grocery store then that's up to you. Since he obviously lied about that he likely imported the gun. Occam's razor.

[Liverpool Lou]

Just now, ozimoron said:

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What evidence have you got for that assertion?    None?

If you believe he bought a gun from some random Thai outside a grocery store then that's up to you. Since he obviously lied about that he likely imported the gun.

What's "obvious" about it?   Just because that's what you want to think and that you think that he was able to get the gun and ammunition through Australian authorities first and then Thai authorities when entering the country doesn't make it "obvious".   Just the opposite, in fact.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What's "obvious" about it?   Just because that's what you want to think and that you think that he was able to get the gun and ammunition through Australian authorities first and then Thai authorities when entering the country doesn't make it "obvious".   Just the opposite, in fact.

OK, so you believe his story then ????

 

He didn't get it through Thai authorities did he?

[radiochaser]

On 12/23/2022 at 9:50 PM, BKKBike09 said:

As an aside, in Thailand the process requires you take weapon / any ammo in separate locked boxes to security at the airport in question. You need to show the original permit for that weapon (in Thailand the permit to own is specific to an individual firearm). You also need to show that the airline whose flight you're taking has accepted carriage of the gun /ammo. Many airlines have a limit on how many firearms can be accepted on a given flight (5 is common) and also limit on ammunition that can be carried. It's not a quick process. Plus this is only for domestic flights. International carriage is a whole different ball of wax.

Off topic,

I used to know a man who was in the same Army organization I was in decades ago in Vietnam.   He and a friend of his went through all the paperwork to take back, real, AK47 rifles to the United States.   They had some difficulty boarding the aircraft with the AK's.   The Army's regulations for transporting firearms aboard chartered commercial aircraft was, the bolt goes in the checked baggage and the rifle goes with the passenger on board the aircraft. 

I think he said that the departure of the aircraft was delayed until it was confirmed that the rifle was required to accompany the passenger in the passenger cabin and not be in the baggage hold with the checked baggage.     

[radiochaser]

On 12/23/2022 at 10:29 PM, ozimoron said:

If you believe he bought a gun from some random Thai outside a grocery store then that's up to you. Since he obviously lied about that he likely imported the gun. Occam's razor.

Why could he not have found some criminal Thai that wanted to illegally sell a firearm and  the Thai told him to meet outside a grocery store, in the parking lot?  

Like when I buy things advertised on facebook marketplace or craigslist and the seller wants to meet in a police department parking lot or in a Taco Bell parking lot to make the sale (machine tools not firearms).    

A much more believable thing than the guy managed to smuggle a firearm and ammunition through the security of an international airport in Australia!

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

Why could he not have found Thai that wanted to illegally sell a firearm, then agree to meet him outside a grocery store, in the parking lot?

Like when I buy things advertised on facebook marketplace or craigslist and the seller wants to meet in a police department parking lot or in a Taco Bell parking lot.  

A much more believable thing than the guy managed to smuggle a firearm and ammunition through the security of an international airport in Australia!

 

That would still constitute lying to the police so no net gain there, sorry.

[radiochaser]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That would still constitute lying to the police so no net gain there, sorry.

Sorry for what?