POLL: Do you think Brexit is a success or failure?

ozimoron · January 2, 2023

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its irrelevant what I think, you need to comply with forum rules.

Or is it just me that needs to do that ?

If I see something on TV I can't mention it? Is that what you are saying? The difference is that you make the claim and don't make any attribution or explanation. That's what's against the rules.

Mac Mickmanus · January 2, 2023

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If I see something on TV I can't mention it? Is that what you are saying? The difference is that you make the claim and don't make any attribution or explanation. That's what's against the rules.

I am saying that if you make a claim, you need to back it up with proof and a link , as you regularly tell others to do

ozimoron · January 2, 2023

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its irrelevant what I think, you need to comply with forum rules.

Or is it just me that needs to do that ?

Since you don't seem to believe me I found a similar link from the same source. It gives an even smaller figure for the number of Britons who thought it was a good idea, only 20%.

The UK has missed out on much of the recovery in global trade after the pandemic subsided. Studies show that post-Brexit trade barriers are harming the economy, and the lack of EU workers is causing labor shortages. Only one in five Britons now says Brexit has gone well.

https://www.dw.com/en/brexit-regret-or-bregret-spreads-in-uk/video-64248790

Mac Mickmanus · January 2, 2023

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Since you don't seem to believe me I found a similar link from the same source. It gives an even smaller figure for the number of Britons who thought it was a good idea, only 20%.

The UK has missed out on much of the recovery in global trade after the pandemic subsided. Studies show that post-Brexit trade barriers are harming the economy, and the lack of EU workers is causing labor shortages. Only one in five Britons now says Brexit has gone well.

https://www.dw.com/en/brexit-regret-or-bregret-spreads-in-uk/video-64248790

Although it does say that , it doesn't state how they got their results , it just says "one in five blah blah blah" without giving any indication of how they came about that figure

ozimoron · January 2, 2023

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although it does say that , it doesn't state how they got their results , it just says "one in five blah blah blah" without giving any indication of how they came about that figure

Being DW, It's going to be a reliable source. Here's a reliable source which supports what DW claims.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/11/17/one-five-who-voted-brexit-now-think-it-was-wrong-d

Or maybe this

https://www.statista.com/chart/25893/share-brexit-going-well-badly/

Edited January 2, 2023 by ozimoron

Mac Mickmanus · January 2, 2023

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Being DW, It's going to be a reliable source. Here's a reliable source which supports what DW claims.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/11/17/one-five-who-voted-brexit-now-think-it-was-wrong-d

That link says one in five thinks that its wrong (20%) , your previous DW link claims that 30 % think that it was the right choice .

What happened to the other 50 % ?

ozimoron · January 2, 2023

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That link says one in five thinks that its wrong (20%) , your previous DW link claims that 30 % think that it was the right choice .

What happened to the other 50 % ?

I guess you chose not to read the second link.

Mac Mickmanus · January 2, 2023

Just now, ozimoron said:

I guess you chose not to read the second link.

You added that after I read and replied to your post , so no, I didn't read it

ozimoron · January 2, 2023

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You added that after I read and replied to your post , so no, I didn't read it

I didn't find it initially because as I said I saw the claim on TV. So you'd agree that DW's claim is upheld then?

Mac Mickmanus · January 2, 2023

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

I didn't find it initially because as I said I saw the claim on TV. So you'd agree that DW's claim is upheld then?

Your added poll is from 16 months ago, September 2021

Scott · January 2, 2023

Continued nonsensical trolling WILL earn a suspension.

ozimoron · January 2, 2023

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Your added poll is from 16 months ago, September 2021

Good call, try this then

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bregrets-britain-has-a-few/

Bluespunk · January 2, 2023

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So what does the poll at the top of this thread tell us?

That you reap as you sow?

Be careful what you wish for?

The truth hurts?

All of above?

Mac Mickmanus · January 2, 2023

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Good call, try this then

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bregrets-britain-has-a-few/

There are many people in the UK who think that all UK's current woes are caused by Brexit , like the inflation rate and food cost rises , so its understandable that on that basis, they think that Brexit wasn't a good idea

KhunLA · January 2, 2023

just read a news-blip ... UK'ers want another vote ... to rejoin the EU ????

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html

Mac Mickmanus · January 2, 2023

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

just read a news-blip ... UK'ers want another vote ... to rejoin the EU ????

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html

Although the question asked was whether there should ever be a referendum again in the future and the majority of people thought there should be , a portion of those people thought there should be another referendum in 20 years time.

RayC · January 3, 2023

12 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although the question asked was whether there should ever be a referendum again in the future and the majority of people thought there should be , a portion of those people thought there should be another referendum in 20 years time.

Yes, a whopping 4% of those who want another referendum thought that it should be in 20+ years time.

"Meanwhile, 22 percent want a return to the polls within five years, 24 percent within six to ten years and only 4 percent in more than twenty years.

Conversely, only 24 percent of those surveyed – compared to 34 percent a year ago – believed there should not be another referendum"

https://www.rfi.fr/en/europe/20230102-two-years-after-brexit-got-done-poll-shows-many-britons-want-new-referendum

vinny41 · January 3, 2023

15 minutes ago, RayC said:

Yes, a whopping 4% of those who want another referendum thought that it should be in 20+ years time.

"Meanwhile, 22 percent want a return to the polls within five years, 24 percent within six to ten years and only 4 percent in more than twenty years.

Conversely, only 24 percent of those surveyed – compared to 34 percent a year ago – believed there should not be another referendum"

https://www.rfi.fr/en/europe/20230102-two-years-after-brexit-got-done-poll-shows-many-britons-want-new-referendum

Its Interesting that article has a link to the Savanta Poll

Methodology: Savanta ComRes interviewed 2,096 UK adults aged 18+ online from 10-12 December 2021. Data were weighted by age, sex, region and SEG. Savanta ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

Date Published: 31/12/2021

https://savanta.com/knowledge-centre/poll/attitudes-to-brexit-the-independent/

No suprise that the Independent didn't want to provide any links to a poll taken over 12 months ago

Mac Mickmanus · January 3, 2023

22 minutes ago, RayC said:

Yes, a whopping 4% of those who want another referendum thought that it should be in 20+ years time.

"Meanwhile, 22 percent want a return to the polls within five years, 24 percent within six to ten years and only 4 percent in more than twenty years.

Conversely, only 24 percent of those surveyed – compared to 34 percent a year ago – believed there should not be another referendum"

https://www.rfi.fr/en/europe/20230102-two-years-after-brexit-got-done-poll-shows-many-britons-want-new-referendum

If you just want to use certain figures, how about this figure : The most popular options were now, at 22 per cent, and within the next 5 years, 24 per cent,

Just 22% of people want another referendum now and 46 %want another referendum in five years time .

Same figures but sounds different to the article title

RayC · January 3, 2023

52 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Its Interesting that article has a link to the Savanta Poll

Methodology: Savanta ComRes interviewed 2,096 UK adults aged 18+ online from 10-12 December 2021. Data were weighted by age, sex, region and SEG. Savanta ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

Date Published: 31/12/2021

https://savanta.com/knowledge-centre/poll/attitudes-to-brexit-the-independent/

No suprise that the Independent didn't want to provide any links to a poll taken over 12 months ago

Poor journalism imo.

However, it's interesting that you point this out. Given all that has happened in 2022, I'm sure that you would agree that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that views have harden and that even more people want another referendum and quickly.

RayC · January 3, 2023

48 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If you just want to use certain figures, how about this figure : The most popular options were now, at 22 per cent, and within the next 5 years, 24 per cent,

Just 22% of people want another referendum now and 46 %want another referendum in five years time .

Same figures but sounds different to the article title

50 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

How is the title of the article - "Two years after Brexit 'got done', poll shows many Britons want new referendum" in any way misleading as you infer?

The fact remains that 66% of people polled for this survey said that they wanted another referendum, of whom 96% wanted it within 20 years.

See also my reply to @Vinny41.

puchooay · January 3, 2023

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

How is the title of the article - "Two years after Brexit 'got done', poll shows many Britons want new referendum" in any way misleading as you infer?

The fact remains that 66% of people polled for this survey said that they wanted another referendum, of whom 96% wanted it within 20 years.

See also my reply to @Vinny41.

Referendum or not, it will be up to EU whether UK rejoin or not.

If all the doom and gloom is to believed about the state of UK, it's bound to be a resounding NO.

Let's not bother asking. Let's just get on with getting better after the initial fall out. Brexiteers and remainers alike. We are all British. Let's just work at it and get things done.

vinny41 · January 3, 2023

37 minutes ago, RayC said:

Poor journalism imo.

However, it's interesting that you point this out. Given all that has happened in 2022, I'm sure that you would agree that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that views have harden and that even more people want another referendum and quickly.

I dont think the EU is going to welcome back the UK any time soon

They will wait for a period of 5-10 years to see if the % of rejoiners remain the same or increase or decrease

They will also want a review of why large area's of the country voted to leave and what was the root cause and can that mindset be reversed if it was they felt left behind due to insufficient funding in jobs,housing,schools and infrastructure

Will the remainers on this forum support a freeze on funding on areas that voted remain and redirect all funding to the areas that voted leave and that funding remain in place until there is equality in all areas of the UK

Most of the posts I have seen remainers on this forum wouldn't support such a policy and feel that leaver voters should be sent to purgatory and remain there for ever becuase of the way they voted.

Also the EU will want Scottish Independence question resolved before any thoughts of letting the UK join the EU accession waiting list

ozimoron · January 3, 2023

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I dont think the EU is going to welcome back the UK any time soon

They will wait for a period of 5-10 years to see if the % of rejoiners remain the same or increase or decrease

They will also want a review of why large area's of the country voted to leave and what was the root cause and can that mindset be reversed if it was they felt left behind due to insufficient funding in jobs,housing,schools and infrastructure

Will the remainers on this forum support a freeze on funding on areas that voted remain and redirect all funding to the areas that voted leave and that funding remain in place until there is equality in all areas of the UK

Most of the posts I have seen remainers on this forum wouldn't support such a policy and feel that leaver voters should be sent to purgatory and remain there for ever becuase of the way they voted.

Also the EU will want Scottish Independence question resolved before any thoughts of letting the UK join the EU accession waiting list

How do you know that? You claim to know what the EU attitude is but don't provide any evidence what is nothing more than supposition and speculation.

vinny41 · January 3, 2023

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

How do you know that? You claim to know what the EU attitude is but don't provide any evidence what is nothing more than supposition and speculation.

Its an personally opinion as far as i know there are no forum rules that suppress forum members from having their own opinion's

Membership 2.0: what the UK rejoining the EU would involve

The EU would look for significant, stable and long-lasting majority public opinion in favour of rejoining. Support for EU membership on the order of 60-65 per cent or more for several years would likely be a minimum standard. If the UK were to bid for membership in the absence of such consensus, its application would undoubtedly be rejected.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/01/23/membership-2-0-what-the-uk-rejoining-the-eu-would-involve/

ozimoron · January 3, 2023

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Its an personally opinion as far as i know there are no forum rules that suppress forum members from having their own opinion's

Membership 2.0: what the UK rejoining the EU would involve

The EU would look for significant, stable and long-lasting majority public opinion in favour of rejoining. Support for EU membership on the order of 60-65 per cent or more for several years would likely be a minimum standard. If the UK were to bid for membership in the absence of such consensus, its application would undoubtedly be rejected.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/01/23/membership-2-0-what-the-uk-rejoining-the-eu-would-involve/

You claimed it as fact. You did not suggest it was your opinion only.

vinny41 · January 3, 2023

Just now, ozimoron said:

You claimed it as fact. You did not suggest it was your opinion only.

No I Didn't hence the opening line of my post was "I dont think"

ozimoron · January 3, 2023

Just now, vinny41 said:

No I Didn't hence the opening line of my post was "I dont think"

That was limited to your first sentence only. Still, you gave no reasons for believing that. A good faith effort would entail that.