Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 hours ago, heybruce said: Why are you two obsessed with the power to declassify? Has President Biden ever suggested he wanted the documents declassified? Did Trump ever provide any proof he declassified the classified found in Mar-a-Lago? aaaahh, now I see why they are obsessed with the declassify issue, because its being parroted by Trump, lol "A V.P. cannot Declassify documents," he said in another post, adding: "A President, me, can Declassify." 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 hours ago, riclag said: Bird brain doesnt even know about these docs ! Gop must demand garland take a damage assessment! Who is bird brain?you couldn’t possibly be referring to Joe Biden,gee wizz he’s got infrastructure done lowered drug prices restored nato stood up to Russia supported the Ukrainians in their quest for independence and supported Europe he’s continuing our fight against climate change lowered childhood poverty seeded microchip production here in the USA that’s not all this(bird brain) has got done oh did I add that he’s an old duffer to boot!nope sorry it’s a screw up that was taken care of properly no more than that 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Tug said: Who is bird brain?you couldn’t possibly be referring to Joe Biden,gee wizz he’s got infrastructure done lowered drug prices restored nato stood up to Russia supported the Ukrainians in their quest for independence and supported Europe he’s continuing our fight against climate change lowered childhood poverty seeded microchip production here in the USA that’s not all this(bird brain) has got done oh did I add that he’s an old duffer to boot!nope sorry it’s a screw up that was taken care of properly no more than that Not to mention boosting oil and gas production and exports, despite what right-wing propaganda says. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 28 minutes ago, candide said: Not to mention boosting oil and gas production and exports, despite what right-wing propaganda says. And now there's significant skepticism among economists that the US is headed into a recession. source: Bloomberg cable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Hanaguma said: You are engaging in what the Dutch call "ant f...king". Trying to parse out the details in order to prove your point. Let's agree that they are similar in that they involve mis-handling of classified documents. They are dissimilar in scope and reaction. OK? Thy hypocrisy of the current occupant of the White House still stands. More. B.S. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 hours ago, vandeventer said: At least Trump had two secret service guards standing by his documents. Biden forgot he even had them. No, he didn't. The Secret Service was not guarding those boxes containing the documents. Not their job to do that. They protect persons, not property. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, riclag said: This is the high water mark the difference ( biden had no power to declassify top secret docs) . as you said! This is irrelevant as the 11th circuit court panel, the one with 2 Trump appointees out of 3 noted. What is relevant is that Trump refused to turn over documents when asked to and lied about them being in his possession. That latter act constitutes prima facie obstruction of justice. Edited January 11, 2023 by placeholder 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 hours ago, vandeventer said: Biden should be in a lot of hot water over this let's see what the AG does. Also it's all about declassification. No, it's not. It's about willfully retaining documents Trump wasn't entitled to have and lying about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 hours ago, billd766 said: To comment from the many Trump supporters on this forum, it is a nothing burger I am sure that the GOP, Trump et al will be so excited at having something on President Biden, it will turn out to be a big failure. A bit like President Biden's son's laptop. A that seems to be missing from this scenario is proof. Rather like all the uproven accusations against Trump then. Seems the importance of anything to do with either Biden or Trump is dependent on which side one is. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 58 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Rather like all the uproven accusations against Trump then. Seems the importance of anything to do with either Biden or Trump is dependent on which side one is. Well, even fox news admits that Trump's case is far worse than Biden's case "KARL ROVE: Well, there are differences, but you can’t make this stuff up. But there are differences. For example, how many documents in Biden’s case, there appear to be about 10. In the case of President Trump, hundreds. How did they get there? We don’t yet know how the documents got to the Biden office connected with his activities on behalf of the University of Pennsylvania. We know that President Trump ordered the removal of the documents to Mar-a-Lago. How responsive were they? When that when when the Biden people found out about it, they called immediately, called the appropriate authorities and turned them over. We spent a year and a half watching the drama unfold in Mar-a-Lago, and it had to end in a police search to recover the documents." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-gets-assist-on-fox-news-as-karl-rove-busts-out-white-board-to-explain-why-trump-s-classified-docs-issue-is-worse/ar-AA16b82T?item=flights%3Aprg-tipsubsc-v1a&ocid=windirect And of course....???? Trump seethes on Truth Social after Fox News analyst debunks his lies about Biden classified docs https://www.salon.com/2023/01/11/seethes-on-truth-social-after-fox-news-analyst-debunks-his-lies-about-biden-classified-docs/ 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, vandeventer said: Biden should be in a lot of hot water over this let's see what the AG does. Also it's all about declassification. No, it's not about declassification. I assume you have never worked with a significant amount of classified. Mistakes are common, and if they are reported and corrected promptly the "punishment", if any, is usually a repeat of mandatory security training. Trump never did the sensible thing and promptly report and return official documents taken when he left the White House, he did the opposite. Even if Trump can show he did declassify the documents found at his residence, which he hasn't to date, he still has violated espionage and PRA laws. "According to Section 793, Part D (of the Espionage Act), it’s illegal to knowingly retain information that one believes could do damage to the US or aid another country and fail “to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.” https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/8/13/23304194/the-espionage-act-trump-documents-mar-a-lago Note that the damaging information does not have to be classified to violate the Espionage Act. Edited January 11, 2023 by heybruce 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, heybruce said: No, it's not about declassification. I assume you have never worked with a significant amount of classified. Mistakes are common, and if they are reported and corrected promptly the "punishment", if any, is usually a repeat of mandatory security training. Trump never did the sensible thing and promptly report and return official documents taken when he left the White House, he did the opposite. Even if Trump can show he did declassify the documents found at his residence, which he hasn't to date, he still has violated espionage and PRA laws. "According to Section 793, Part D (of the Espionage Act), it’s illegal to knowingly retain information that one believes could do damage to the US or aid another country and fail “to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.” https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/8/13/23304194/the-espionage-act-trump-documents-mar-a-lago Note that the damaging information does not have to be classified to violate the Espionage Act. As well as the national security bill he signed himself in 2018! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post riclag Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tug said: Who is bird brain?you couldn’t possibly be referring to Joe Biden,gee wizz he’s got infrastructure done lowered drug prices restored nato stood up to Russia supported the Ukrainians in their quest for independence and supported Europe he’s continuing our fight against climate change lowered childhood poverty seeded microchip production here in the USA that’s not all this(bird brain) has got done oh did I add that he’s an old duffer to boot!nope sorry it’s a screw up that was taken care of properly no more than that Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location! More political fodder for biden . Its like hes got diarrhea crappin all over the place. Wray better go send out a search party this guy is a disaster. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371 Edited January 11, 2023 by riclag 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., reacted on social media minutes after the NBC News report on the new documents, tweeting out the words, "Special counsel." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371 Agree totally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 57 minutes ago, riclag said: Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location! More political fodder for biden . Its like hes got diarrhea crappin all over the place. Wray better go send out a search party this guy is a disaster. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371 Why that? He's not refusing to give them back and lying to the FBI and NARA, as Trump did, he's actively cooperating. From your link: "Biden aides have been sifting through documents stored at locations beyond his former Washington office to determine if there are any other classified documents that need to be turned over to the National Archives and reviewed by the Justice Department, the person familiar with the matter said." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 It now looks like Tricky Joe was building his own private classified documents collection...but for what purpose - influence peddling to the Chinese? Classified Documents Found in Second Location Associated With Biden https://nyti.ms/3GCx6jK 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It now looks like Tricky Joe was building his own private classified documents collection...but for what purpose - influence peddling to the Chinese? Classified Documents Found in Second Location Associated With Biden https://nyti.ms/3GCx6jK That lame conspiracy theory again? ???? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) Waiting for Attorney General Merrick Garland to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the mishandling of classified government materials, on at least two occasions at different places, by one Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. (Yeah that's his real name, "Robinette," bet you didn't know that; says all you need to know about the man.) Or is it another case of Democrat Party "one law for me...but not for thee"? Edited January 11, 2023 by Pattaya Spotter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SunnyinBangrak Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, riclag said: Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location! More political fodder for biden . Its like hes got diarrhea crappin all over the place. Wray better go send out a search party this guy is a disaster. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371 This would be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous. Why on earth was Biden squirrelling away so much classified documents? With the guys alleged questionable relations with certain Ukrainians and Chinese this is quite terrifying. If we still had an impartial DOJ I expect his houses would have been stormed and all his mobile devices taken to check whether he was misusing these secrets to please his "friends abroad". This is why having a clean POTUS is so important, and why until JB corruption in govt was taken very very seriously. I certainly hope the media won't kill this story Edited January 11, 2023 by SunnyinBangrak 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Waiting for Attorney General Merrick Garland to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the mishandling of classified government materials, on at least two occasions at different places, by one Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. (Yeah that's his real name, "Robinette," bet you didn't know that; says all you need to know about the man.) Or is it another case of Democrat Party "one law for me...but not for thee"? It tells me all I need to know about you when you highlight the middle name of someone to mock their manhood. No I certainly didn't know but please tell me, whats the frigging significance of it? What a sad and vindictive post. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: It tells me all I need to know about you when you highlight the middle name of someone to mock their manhood. No I certainly didn't know but please tell me, whats the frigging significance of it? What a sad and vindictive post. Tells me all I need to know that you ignore the salient facts in the post...the apparent mishandling of classified government documents on at least two occasions at two different places by Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., and if Attorney General Merrick Garland will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate any criminal wrongdoing therein. Edited January 11, 2023 by Pattaya Spotter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said: This would be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous. Why on earth was Biden squirrelling away so much classified documents? With the guys questionable relations with certain Ukrainians and Chinese this is quite terrifying. If we still had an impartial DOJ I expect his houses would have been stormed and all his mobile devices taken to check whether he was misusing these secrets to please his "friends abroad". This is why having a clean POTUS is so important, and why until JB corruption in govt was taken very very seriously. I certainly hope the media won't kill this story The Chinese, Ukrainians, and Qataris pay big for classified US government documents...Hunter and Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. know this well. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Tells me all I need to know that you ignore the salient facts in the post...the apparent mishandling of classified government documents on at least two occasions at two different places by Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., and if Attorney General Merrick Garland will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate any criminal wrongdoing therein. The only facts in your post were 2 separate sets of docs found in 2 locations, the rest was vindictive rubbish and pure speculation. Why a Special Council right now? Do you know how long it was before Jack Smith was appointed and why? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, riclag said: Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location! More political fodder for biden . Its like hes got diarrhea crappin all over the place. Wray better go send out a search party this guy is a disaster. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371 You are sounding desperate lol let’s just see what’s it’s all about ehhh I don’t think he was flushing docs down the potty or burning them humm like your hero to me it sounds like a staffing problem but then again I like the guy he gets stuff done 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post vandeventer Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 hours ago, heybruce said: No, it's not about declassification. I assume you have never worked with a significant amount of classified. Mistakes are common, and if they are reported and corrected promptly the "punishment", if any, is usually a repeat of mandatory security training. Trump never did the sensible thing and promptly report and return official documents taken when he left the White House, he did the opposite. Even if Trump can show he did declassify the documents found at his residence, which he hasn't to date, he still has violated espionage and PRA laws. "According to Section 793, Part D (of the Espionage Act), it’s illegal to knowingly retain information that one believes could do damage to the US or aid another country and fail “to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.” https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/8/13/23304194/the-espionage-act-trump-documents-mar-a-lago Note that the damaging information does not have to be classified to violate the Espionage Act. When do the Biden lies stop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5s912qH4w 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 50 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said: This would be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous. Why on earth was Biden squirrelling away so much classified documents? With the guys alleged questionable relations with certain Ukrainians and Chinese this is quite terrifying. If we still had an impartial DOJ I expect his houses would have been stormed and all his mobile devices taken to check whether he was misusing these secrets to please his "friends abroad". This is why having a clean POTUS is so important, and why until JB corruption in govt was taken very very seriously. I certainly hope the media won't kill this story Biden was not "squirreling away" classified information, he was using classified as part of his duties when he was VP. Presumably some of the classified was not properly returned by his staff after its use. What questionable relations with the Chinese and Ukrainians? In answering that, try to avoid speculation about what might be on Hunter Biden's laptop. How do your imagined questionable relations of Biden compare with the demonstrated relations Trump had with Putin, MSB, and others? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, vandeventer said: When do the Biden lies stop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5s912qH4w Identify the lies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 A post bickering about the "use a real source" has been removed. Social media including YouTube is allowed as long as it is compliance with the following: 18. Social media content is acceptable in most forums. However in factual areas such as but not limited to news, current affairs and health topics, social media cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or a government agency, and must include a link to the original source. In some circumstances a moderator may relax this rule and this will be determined on a case by case basis. If this rule is relaxed a moderator will post a public notice explaining the limit and scope of the relaxation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, vandeventer said: When do the Biden lies stop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5s912qH4w Instead of asking people to waste time on youtube, why don't you explain what is there and how it relates to my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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