Hunter Biden’s Tangled Tale Comes Front and Center

[Scott]

Federal prosecutors could decide soon whether to indict the president’s son on tax and gun charges, and he faces a fresh round of hostile congressional hearings. But a close look at his story shows that it differs in important ways from the narrative promoted by Republicans.

 

The way Republicans tell it, President Biden has been complicit in a long-running scheme to profit from his position in public life through shady dealings around the world engineered by his son, Hunter Biden.

Taking a first step in their long-promised investigation, Republicans on the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday demanded information about the Bidens’ banking transactions from the Treasury Department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/11/us/politics/hunter-biden-investigations.html?searchResultPosition=1

Story also available here:   https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunter-bidens-tangled-tale-comes-124714839.html

 

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Here's the story from archive.ph. No firewall

https://archive.ph/ReGBw

[candide]

So the Republicans were lying about him. How is it possible? 

[still kicking]

51 minutes ago, candide said:

So the Republicans were lying about him. How is it possible? 

Well, they lied about everything else. 

[thaibeachlovers]

Apparently Biden is no longer being "protected" by the media. Very interesting development.

Now that the GOP control the house committees seems we are in for a wild ride as the "other side" gets a dose of what has been going on for past 2 years.

[still kicking]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently Biden is no longer being "protected" by the media. Very interesting development.

Now that the GOP control the house committees seems we are in for a wild ride as the "other side" gets a dose of what has been going on for past 2 years.

Give it up 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, still kicking said:

Give it up 

I'll give it up when your lot stop harping on about Trump at every opportunity.

[still kicking]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll give it up when your lot stop harping on about Trump at every opportunity.

I haven't said a word about Trump 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, still kicking said:

I haven't said a word about Trump 

Perhaps not, but others do. When they stop, I will.

 

Bye.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll give it up when your lot stop harping on about Trump at every opportunity.

When will you stay on topic?

[still kicking]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps not, but others do. When they stop, I will.

 

Bye.

Well sleep well 

[candide]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently Biden is no longer being "protected" by the media. Very interesting development.

Now that the GOP control the house committees seems we are in for a wild ride as the "other side" gets a dose of what has been going on for past 2 years.

Have you read the article? It doesn't seem to support the GOP's lame allegations.

[SunnyinBangrak]

from the OP

 

"The way Republicans tell it, President Biden has been complicit in a long-running scheme to profit from his position in public life through shady dealings around the world engineered by his son, Hunter Biden."

 

So that was the Republican narrative surrounding the business deals the laptop showed happening. And a little reminder not a single representative of the left here have specified who the "big guy" was that was involved in at least one potential deal. And not a single representative of the left here have specified WHY these Chinese and Ukrainians were paying non qualified Hunter vast sums of money.

 

And the left's narrative was what?

 

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

 

 

So, which side had/has a better grip on reality? 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Rimmer
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[SunnyinBangrak]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Have you read the article? It doesn't seem to support the GOP's lame allegations.

which "lame allegations" are they then? You had the time to specify who the big guy was and why these rogue nations were paying non qualified Hunter vast sums. None of you could do it, and we all know why. I put it to you, that what you call "lame allegations" are inconvenient facts you can no longer rely on censorship to make go away. 

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43 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

from the OP

 

"The way Republicans tell it, President Biden has been complicit in a long-running scheme to profit from his position in public life through shady dealings around the world engineered by his son, Hunter Biden."

 

So that was the Republican narrative surrounding the business deals the laptop showed happening. And a little reminder not a single representative of the left here have specified who the "big guy" was that was involved in at least one potential deal. And not a single representative of the left here have specified WHY these Chinese and Ukrainians were paying non qualified Hunter vast sums of money.

 

And the left's narrative was what?

 

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

And our discussion here was

 

//aseannow.com/topic/1188329-hunter-biden%25E2%2580%2599s-laptop-is-the-new-pizzagate/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=th

 

 A thread recently deleted/moved but as the title suggests it was a vehicle for the left to prove how reliable their news sources are and how Republicans are cultists and down rabbit holes for believing the (known and corroborated fact that the laptop was genuine). 

 

So, which side had/has a better grip on reality? 

 

Nothing in the text of those emails constitutes any kind of proof that Joe Biden participated in any of these deals. The one time Joe Biden's response to any offer was when Hunter Biden posted that he had definitively and absolutely refused to participate in the Chinese deal.

 

Given Biden family members penchant for trying to use their family connection to Joe Biden, it's not even clear that any of the possible allusions to Biden are even based on fact.

 

I have no doubt that the Ukrainian company, Burisma, headed by a corrupt oligarch, was paying Hunter Biden on the strength of the fact that his father was VP. But just because it was that oligarch's hope that Hunter Biden would intercede on behalf of the company with his father, that doesn't mean it happened. In fact, as the article which you clearly didn't read points out, Hunter Biden took  great precautions not to involve his father in this business.

 

Again, in the Chinese case, it seems clear that Biden was approached at first because of his connection to his father. And once again, no evidence at all that Hunter Biden used his connection to influence his father to do anything on behalf the Chinese. In fact, the evidence shows once again that he was careful not to do that. And just to remind you, probably in vain, once again, Hunter Biden specifically wrote that his father gave an emphatic NO to any involvement with this deal.

 

And  it wasn't at all unreasonable to assume that the story was Russian disinfo. And it certainly wasn't reasonable for the story to be published without careful vetting first. As has been pointed out to your multiple times already, and to which you have never replied, the experienced reporter first assigned to write up the story refused precisely because of that. People such as Giuliani who had the data which could have helped confirm the story refused to share it all. Why was that? Maybe because he didn't have great confidence in its factuality either?

 

 

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

which "lame allegations" are they then? You had the time to specify who the big guy was and why these rogue nations were paying non qualified Hunter vast sums. None of you could do it, and we all know why. I put it to you, that what you call "lame allegations" are inconvenient facts you can no longer rely on censorship to make go away. 

I guess we can take this as a confession that you didn't read the article. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by placeholder

[wwest5829]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll give it up when your lot stop harping on about Trump at every opportunity.

Because, after all, there are no differences …?

Edited January 12, 2023 by wwest5829

[RichardColeman]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

Watch this space.....

 

As for a crime, the VP cannot declassify a document UNLESS he was the one that classified it - so yes you are right, if he classified it then he may be in the clear.

 

That said, the documents were found in one of the businesses that has had millions paid into it by annonimous Chinese donors ! The same people buying Biden's sons paintings !!! Guys corrupt, his sons corrupt , he is now toxic to the dems, they want him out

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Scott

[placeholder]

14 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Watch this space.....

 

As for a crime, the VP cannot declassify a document UNLESS he was the one that classified it - so yes you are right, if he classified it then he may be in the clear.

 

That said, the documents were found in one of the businesses that has had millions paid into it by annonimous Chinese donors ! The same people buying Biden's sons paintings !!! Guys corrupt, his sons corrupt , he is now toxic to the dems, they want him out

 

You clearly don't understand the relevant statute in question. It is not a crime to be in possession of those documents. It has to be proven that the possessor willfully violated the statute governing possession of these documents. And as far as criminality goes in relation to the law, it's irrelevant whether or not the documents were classified. Even if they had been declassified and Biden willfully violated the law by being in possession of them without the approval of the National Archives, that would be a crime. And if he had lied about being in possession of them, that would be another crime called obstruction of justice.

[Peterw42]

41 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

As for a crime, the VP cannot declassify a document UNLESS he was the one that classified it - so yes you are right, if he classified it then he may be in the clear.

The crime isn't having the documents, the crime (in trumps case) is lying about having them, and not returning them when requested.

[Peterw42]

Hunter Biden is a civilian, he isn't an elected member of any government or party. 

What he does, or has done in his private life, is largely irrelevant. He could be guilty of torturing small puppies, axe murders, and cheating on his taxes. If he is, them charge him. But otherwise he is not part of the government.

The only relevant crime, if it is ever proven, would be selling favor or influence with his father.

Last time I looked, trumps kids have been openly selling access to trump from day one.

[candide]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

which "lame allegations" are they then? You had the time to specify who the big guy was and why these rogue nations were paying non qualified Hunter vast sums. None of you could do it, and we all know why. I put it to you, that what you call "lame allegations" are inconvenient facts you can no longer rely on censorship to make go away. 

Lol. You are doing it the wrong way. It's the accuser who must prove his accusations., not the opposite. The GOP has nothing, and this article you probably did not read confirms it once more.

[candide]

7 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

*Deleted post edited out*

 

Watch this space.....

 

As for a crime, the VP cannot declassify a document UNLESS he was the one that classified it - so yes you are right, if he classified it then he may be in the clear.

 

That said, the documents were found in one of the businesses that has had millions paid into it by annonimous Chinese donors ! The same people buying Biden's sons paintings !!! Guys corrupt, his sons corrupt , he is now toxic to the dems, they want him out

 

Come on, not that ridiculous and laughable conspiracy again!

Facts are:

- China started giving money to UPenn 4 years before the creation of the Biden Center, and gave more money before than after its creation according to the NYPost article linked many times by MAGA posters),

- 115 universities received money from China, some of them, such as Harvard, received much more than UPenn,

- this money was not given to the Biden Center.

[candide]

6 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Hunter Biden is a civilian, he isn't an elected member of any government or party. 

What he does, or has done in his private life, is largely irrelevant. He could be guilty of torturing small puppies, axe murders, and cheating on his taxes. If he is, them charge him. But otherwise he is not part of the government.

The only relevant crime, if it is ever proven, would be selling favor or influence with his father.

Last time I looked, trumps kids have been openly selling access to trump from day one.

Right. Not only that, but neither Hunters businesses nor his partners, such as the Chinese oil company, have been involved in any transaction with the U.S. government, or anything the government could have influenced in their favour.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Hunter Biden is a civilian, he isn't an elected member of any government or party. 

What he does, or has done in his private life, is largely irrelevant. He could be guilty of torturing small puppies, axe murders, and cheating on his taxes. If he is, them charge him. But otherwise he is not part of the government.

The only relevant crime, if it is ever proven, would be selling favor or influence with his father.

Last time I looked, trumps kids have been openly selling access to trump from day one.

Last time I looked, trumps kids have been openly selling access to trump from day one.

 

That's whataboutism. Topic is Hunter Biden, not Trump.

[Tug]

On 1/12/2023 at 9:50 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently Biden is no longer being "protected" by the media. Very interesting development.

Now that the GOP control the house committees seems we are in for a wild ride as the "other side" gets a dose of what has been going on for past 2 years.

Sorry but it’s not going your way the majority of American voters will see a disfunctional Republican Party desperately try to attack Joe Biden through his son after the family has been through so much not only that hunter as far as I know is a recovering drug addict it’s not going to sit well with the vast majority of Americans imo if hunter tryed to take advantage of being Joe Biden’s son so what that’s what 99% of folks would do nope it smells of desperation to me

[Skipalongcassidy]

5 minutes ago, Tug said:

Sorry but it’s not going your way the majority of American voters will see a disfunctional Republican Party desperately try to attack Joe Biden through his son after the family has been through so much not only that hunter as far as I know is a recovering drug addict it’s not going to sit well with the vast majority of Americans imo if hunter tryed to take advantage of being Joe Biden’s son so what that’s what 99% of folks would do nope it smells of desperation to me

You are part of the major problem in the world today... corruption is corruption... quit making excuses for the corrupt... 

[ozimoron]

32 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

You are part of the major problem in the world today... corruption is corruption... quit making excuses for the corrupt... 

Stealing sweets from the shop is the same as robbing a bank now?

 

There is no evidence that the Bidens were corrupt. Joe Biden had no official office at the alleged time he was corrupt.

Edited January 13, 2023 by ozimoron