Double Charging I know it exists but it is still very annoying.

[Doctor Tom]

This tired old chestnut is just boring.  Pricing poorer Thais out of attractions that are too expensive for them is idiotic.  However, those same attractions need money to maintain and survive.  Tourists have more money, therefore they subsidize the attractions , and in doing so, the Thais.  Now drop it please.  The post is irritating, not duel pricing. 

[Will B Good]

I look at the price I pay as being the 'correct' price......Thais are generally quite poor and are therefore given a discount......I feel better that way.

[BangkokReady]

42 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I'm very well aware of the meaning of both "loose" and "lose", thanks.  Perhaps your comment should have been addressed to another poster?

Then why did you choose to introduce the word loosen?

[BangkokReady]

35 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

Pricing poorer Thais out of attractions that are too expensive for them is idiotic.

Not all Thais are poor, and not all foreigners are rich. Unless they're charging rich Thais double and poor foreigners (those working on a local salary for example) the regular price, then it's based on racism and nothing else.

[BangkokReady]

11 hours ago, Nip said:

there is always ONE with the inane 'more to the story' statement

There's never a shortage of people raring to explain to you how they've never experienced any racism in Thailand. Nor dual pricing, glares, rudeness, etc.. And it must be something you have done to cause this behaviour. (Or you have some sort of mental condition that caused you to imagine the whole thing.)

 

Unfortunately, their brains won't allow them to accept the fact that Thais are human like the rest of us, and just as likely, if not more likely, to be racist or unpleasant to foreigners.

[Doctor Tom]

19 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Not all Thais are poor, and not all foreigners are rich. Unless they're charging rich Thais double and poor foreigners (those working on a local salary for example) the regular price, then it's based on racism and nothing else.

Utter nonsense. 

[JimmyJ]

1 minute ago, Doctor Tom said:

Utter nonsense. 

Why?

[Doctor Tom]

Some here just like to shout racism at every instance of anything they don't agree with.  If you don't like it, don't go to the attractions.  If you feel that Thailand is racist, then leave.  It really is as simple as that. 

[Doctor Tom]

Just now, JimmyJ said:

Why?

Because its economics, not racism. Try not to be so sensitive. 

[JimmyJ]

Just now, Doctor Tom said:

Because its economics, not racism. Try not to be so sensitive. 

True if  Thai citizenship  ID was asked for at the admission booth.

But it is not.

 

And countless posts of the Asian appearance friend/wife/gf charged the Thai price and the Caucasian appearance person charged 2 to 20 times as much.

[Doctor Tom]

19 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

There's never a shortage of people raring to explain to you how they've never experienced any racism in Thailand. Nor dual pricing, glares, rudeness, etc.. And it must be something you have done to cause this behaviour. (Or you have some sort of mental condition that caused you to imagine the whole thing.)

 

Unfortunately, their brains won't allow them to accept the fact that Thais are human like the rest of us, and just as likely, if not more likely, to be racist or unpleasant to foreigners.

That is nothing to do with duel pricing.  When my Thai family go to an attraction, it is often mob handed; maybe 4 or 5 adults' or more, 5 children or more. Going to attractions can be prohibitively expensive for a Thai family outing.  Tourists often go in twos, or maybe two by two.  They have planned and financed their exotic  holiday. The attraction needs to make a profit. It makes eminent sense to charge those that can afford it more than the locals who struggle to finance it.  This is all there is to it, but overly sensitive, mainly Western, first country privileged  foreigners like to see this as discrimination or even downright racism.  Its not, its real World economics and social necessity.  Get over it.  

[Doctor Tom]

10 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

True if  Thai citizenship  ID was asked for at the admission booth.

But it is not.

 

And countless posts of the Asian appearance friend/wife/gf charged the Thai price and the Caucasian appearance person charged 2 to 20 times as much.

To avoid a long debate at the ticket office. And so what?  

[Doctor Tom]

55 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Not all Thais are poor, and not all foreigners are rich. Unless they're charging rich Thais double and poor foreigners (those working on a local salary for example) the regular price, then it's based on racism and nothing else.

That argument doesn't wash. 'Poor foreigners' as you put it, in Thailand, if on a local salary,  are poor by choice, not so Thais. Tourists coming here are definitely not poor, or they couldn't afford to come here. 

[richard_smith237]

24 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

That argument doesn't wash. 'Poor foreigners' as you put it, in Thailand, if on a local salary,  are poor by choice, not so Thais. Tourists coming here are definitely not poor, or they couldn't afford to come here. 

Yet none of this justifies dual pricing with any fair or balanced argument or reason. 

 

IF foreign residents of Thailand get the price offered to Thai nationals, then thats fair and the attraction could be considered to charged based on residency rather than nationality. 

 

Tourists are charged more in many places, I don’t like it, but with that there is no decimation against anyone based on nationality - any local resident not matter where they are from is treated with equality. 

 

What we have with ‘dual pricing practices’ in Thailand is an extremely clumsy ‘non Thai pay more’ and that is unfair and distasteful for many who live here long term - there is no polishing this with flawed excuses - the practice is wrong, its really that simple. 

 

 

Those who call the practice of dual pricing racists are technically incorrect as the practice itself is ’nationalist’, but there is a hint of xenophobia about the practice that is distasteful, I can understand why some may levy accusations of racism, but that is because some Thai’s may execute the dual pricing based on the way people look rather than nationality. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2023 by richard_smith237

[JimmyJ]

34 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

To avoid a long debate at the ticket office. And so what?  

This is something you've made up to justify the system.

 

As is there are many discussions with farangs who show Thai DL's, different colored cards, etc.

[1FinickyOne]

On 2/4/2023 at 5:22 PM, it is what it is said:

there are plenty of other places to visit.

Our house is a very, very, very fine house
With two cats in the yard
Life used to be so hard
Now everything is easy cause of you

[richard_smith237]

37 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

That is nothing to do with duel pricing.  When my Thai family go to an attraction, it is often mob handed; maybe 4 or 5 adults' or more, 5 children or more. Going to attractions can be prohibitively expensive for a Thai family outing.  Tourists often go in twos, or maybe two by two.  They have planned and financed their exotic  holiday. The attraction needs to make a profit. It makes eminent sense to charge those that can afford it more than the locals who struggle to finance it.  This is all there is to it, but overly sensitive, mainly Western, first country privileged  foreigners like to see this as discrimination or even downright racism.  Its not, its real World economics and social necessity.  Get over it.  

Most people are ‘over it’ and don’t let these issues disrupt their day out. BUT.... the practice itself remains distasteful and is a valid discussion point. 

 

The ‘mob handed’ argument is irrelevant - Thai’s or foreigners living here turn up at an attracting and the foreigners have to pay more ?... there is no justifiable explanation for this, the foreigners may not be weather than the Thai family of the same numbers - that mentality is extremely flawed. 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

40 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

To avoid a long debate at the ticket office. And so what?  

This is something you've made up to justify the system.

 

As is there are many discussions with farangs who show Thai DL's, different colored cards, etc.

Agreed..... there are many who in these debates will try and justify dual pricing as if they have been brainwashed into this ‘Thai is always right’ thinking....   when clearly their arguments remain flawed. 

 

It would be easy for a person to simply prove that they are a local resident with a Driving licence, Pink ID, work permit etc should be more than sufficient for an non-Thai to be treated with a degree of equality. 

 

Anything outside of this is wrong - its wrong that the government sanction this with their practices. 

 

 

 

[ourdon]

On 2/5/2023 at 12:06 PM, connda said:

Ditto - there is no such thing as a "Free" Thai wife.

Agreed

 

Free ???   Ahhhh <deleted> that's funny  ????

[richard_smith237]

59 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

Because its economics, not racism. Try not to be so sensitive. 

It's not economics.....  its profiteering and taking advantage of foreigners based on them being non-Thai.

 

It is a discriminatory practice.

[1FinickyOne]

43 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

foreigners like to see this as discrimination or even downright racism.  Its not, its real World economics and social necessity.  Get over it.  

Absolutely - they should be happy they are not being gunned down in the streets... starved, separated from their children, sucker punched on the subway, knocked down in the streets... locked in internment camps... 

 

Here, the worst of it is the aggressive tailors on Sukhumvit... 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Doctor Tom said:

Some here just like to shout racism at every instance of anything they don't agree with.  If you don't like it, don't go to the attractions.  If you feel that Thailand is racist, then leave.  It really is as simple as that. 

The ‘if you don’t like it go home’ statement is a last ditch effort because you have no other intelligent argument to justify dual pricing practices.... 

[JimmyJ]

The attractions know it is wrong or at least exploitative which is why in most/many cases the prices are posted deceptively - Numerals for the farang price, and the Thai price stated in Thai language.

 

They don't want the farangs to know they are being overcharged.

Edited February 6, 2023 by JimmyJ

[JimmyJ]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

The ‘if you don’t like it go home’ statement is a last ditch effort because you have no other intelligent argument to justify dual pricing practices.... 

Exactly - The answer when they have no answer.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

The attractions know it is wrong, which is why in most/many cases the prices are posted deceptively - Numerals for the farang price, and the Thai price stated in Thai language.

Exactly that....  In a nation where numbers are posted almost exclusively in Western Arabic numerals except for when they are trying to hide dual pricing it becomes obvious that the establishment itself is deliberately participating in discriminatory act of deception. 

 

 

Again to re-iterate for those who do no understand....  This is not a show stopper, it doesn’t destroy our day as some people want to believe, we are balanced enough to accept it and move on.  But that doesn’t mean we have to participate in the brainwashing that any of this is ok, acceptable or ignore the fact that this practice is discriminatory. 

 

 

[Pumpuynarak]

On 2/4/2023 at 6:47 PM, Mickeymaus said:

But she made it clear to them that I am not a tourist but live here.

BINGO, and i live here to with my Thai wifey and have done for 16 years and contribute up to 1.5M Baht per year living costs into the Thai economy, i think i'm contributing enough to warrant not having to pay this tourist tax.

 

Now to be fair a lot of these attractions will allow you to pay the Thai price if you furnish them with your Thai DL/Pink ID card and your wifey/partner explains the situation to them, those that won't can shove it where the sun does'nt shine, i've basically done all the tourist attractions i wanted to when i was a tourist and paid accordingly, now i'm an expat supporting my Thai wifey and her moma and living here my attitude is very different.

Just sayin like lol  

 

 

[JimmyJ]

2PriceThailand

 

Necessary to be logged in to FB for the link to work.

 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2599613106807451/

 

 

Edited February 6, 2023 by JimmyJ

[Nip]

1 hour ago, JimmyJ said:

2PriceThailand

 

Necessary to be logged in to FB for the link to work.

 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2599613106807451/

 

 

Exactly!

[Doctor Tom]

3 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

This is something you've made up to justify the system.

 

As is there are many discussions with farangs who show Thai DL's, different colored cards, etc.

All of you here on this post, who get annoyed at duel pricing, are banging their heads against a brick wall.  You will lose every argument, every time, it is what it is, it isn't going to change, so getting annoyed or irritated by it is a waste of time, energy and discussion on a forums. 

[BritManToo]

Just now, Doctor Tom said:

All of you here on this post, who get annoyed at duel pricing, are banging their heads against a brick wall.  You will lose every argument, every time, it is what it is, it isn't going to change, so getting annoyed or irritated by it is a waste of time, energy and discussion on a forums. 

I only get annoyed by your Thai apologist posts.