32 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Nipit Intarasombat better gets ready for the battle of the titans. Almost 17 years ago Thaksin was dethroned by a coup d'etat; wondering how legal the latter movement by the establishment was. Ever anyone facing the bench over the military's understanding of democracy? 

And, if we talk about law enforcement, can Nipit Intarasombat share with all of us, where exactly the grandson of the Red Bull king is serving his jail sentence? 

Clearly, the dinosaurs are getting nervous and if I would be one of them, I would be more than nervous. If a man can remote-control a very big slice of the electorate after being physically absent for almost 17 years and still can call a lot of shots ................ your call! 

Go figure, lets see what Khon Thai is going for in May this year. 

I have problems understanding the arguments from some people here that because person A and B was not prosecuted or found guilty that person C can't be touched. Why not?

 

Thaksin is not more or less guilt because Prayut or that Ferrari driver is in jail or not. I am sure if Thaksin or any Thaksin friendly party will be in power again that then they will prosecute Prayut. Ok, do that. And then let's look at the evidence and the judges will find him guilty or not.

And Thaksin's case is independent of Prayut's case. If A is guilty that doesn't make B also guilty or not guilty or whatever.

Thaksin will be put behind bars if he returns, yet this unelected PM in office now who took the country by force nearly 9 years ago will probably never go to jail.

 

4 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

Thaksin will be put behind bars if he returns, yet this unelected PM in office now who took the country by force nearly 9 years ago will probably never go to jail.

 

Thaksin will be put behind bars if he returns,

And rightfully so, he is a convicted criminal and a fugitive.

 

yet this unelected PM in office now who took the country by force nearly 9 years ago will probably never go to jail.

What crime has he been tried and convicted of?

 

6 hours ago, proton said:

Right, how dare he win landslide elections ????

'landslide' ---- this seems to remind of 'vote buying'.

Perhaps not/perhaps unfair, after all he's so sweet and honest and sincere. 

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

He can win and at the same time he is still a criminal.

Even if 100% of the people voted for him that doesn't change his crimes and convictions.

Thaksin could have stayed in Thailand and he could have tried to convince people that he is innocent of at least some of those crimes.

But he chose to run away. He chose to pretend to be above the law because he is rich enough to do that.

He should go to jail like any other criminal. 

Exactly!!

6 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Maybe the illegal coup makers along with Taksin will come up with a blanket amnesty proposal in the name of national reconciliation along with a promise from the military of no more coups.

On what planet? 

Let's hope the current crop of cronies and usurpers join him as well.

4 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

Thaksin will be put behind bars if he returns,

And rightfully so, he is a convicted criminal and a fugitive.

 

yet this unelected PM in office now who took the country by force nearly 9 years ago will probably never go to jail.

What crime has he been tried and convicted of?

 

None yet, but he did steal the country illegally backed by his soldiers, tanks and guns. If that is not a jailing offence, then I don't know what is.

8 hours ago, hotchilli said:

And who is the big boss one might ask?

Do you need to ask? 

1 hour ago, NoshowJones said:

None yet, but he did steal the country illegally backed by his soldiers, tanks and guns. If that is not a jailing offence, then I don't know what is.

So unlike the Toxic one, no convictions then, yet you find them guilty without a trail?

 

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I have problems understanding the arguments from some people here that because person A and B was not prosecuted or found guilty that person C can't be touched. Why not?

 

Thaksin is not more or less guilt because Prayut or that Ferrari driver is in jail or not. I am sure if Thaksin or any Thaksin friendly party will be in power again that then they will prosecute Prayut. Ok, do that. And then let's look at the evidence and the judges will find him guilty or not.

And Thaksin's case is independent of Prayut's case. If A is guilty that doesn't make B also guilty or not guilty or whatever.

A little althistory speculation might be in order - just for fun.

What if there wasn't the Thaksin coup or even the Yingluck coerced/forced exile that can about.

 

How might we be different today? 

11 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

So unlike the Toxic one, no convictions then, yet you find them guilty without a trail?

 

Some of the charges have been heard/decided in absentia, found guilty and sentenced to big fines and jail terms.

 

Other charges; lots of details of the evidence already published (years ago) and not looking good.

 

Do I have evidence? NO!

3 hours ago, Andycoops said:

Let's hope the current crop of cronies and usurpers join him as well.

Highly unlikely, as SOE requires some circle of support by way of their continued cappers. 

All these dramas appear to be cycles of repeated history - events from the 1930s through the 1970s [and beyond] have keen similarities. Just as it's presenting itself today. 

 

Nothing much changes throughout the Thai political landscape. 

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

According to your logic a small-time criminal is not a criminal if a bigger criminal was not (until now) convicted. Really?

 

There is no doubt that Thaksin committed a couple of crimes, no doubt at all. But because he was/is a politician some people call it political crime or political prosecution and conviction.

Like if I rob someone then it's a crime and I should be punished. If a politician does that then it's a political crime and if the opposition brings it up, then it's political prosecution. No! It's still a crime!

 

The fact that Thaksin is a criminal does not mean he only did bad things. He certainly also did good things. But one does not change the other. A criminal is a criminal even if he did some good things in his life.

His convictions were politically motivated after a military coup.

 

Which is exactly the reason why he is not regarded as a criminal anywhere in the World outside of Thailand and is free to travel where he wishes without fear of arrest or persecution.

6 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

And rightfully so, he is a convicted criminal and a fugitive.

Not if his convictions were politically motivated after a military coup.

 

It would have been so much easier and simpler to have followed due process and not had a coup then his trial and subsequent conviction would have been regarded as legitimate. 

 

But that didn't happen, there were not even any charges brought against him until long after he was deposed in 2006 by the military. I wonder why? ????

33 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

So unlike the Toxic one, no convictions then, yet you find them guilty without a trail?

 

He is guilty of taking over the country illegally, there is no court who can honestly say that he didn't. There was a legally elected government in power when this no hoper and his soldiers took over the country.

38 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

He is guilty of taking over the country illegally, there is no court who can honestly say that he didn't. There was a legally elected government in power when this no hoper and his soldiers took over the country.

Again, you are declaring him guilty without a trial.

Are you really ok with that, is that acceptable in your book?

 

 

As crooked as Thaksin is, this current bunch just sounds like the pot calling the kettle black at this stage of the game.

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

A little althistory speculation might be in order - just for fun.

What if there wasn't the Thaksin coup or even the Yingluck coerced/forced exile that can about.

 

How might we be different today? 

Half of Siam Square would still exist.

 

 

1 minute ago, Bert got kinky said:

Again, you are declaring him guilty without a trial.

Are you really ok with that, is that acceptable in your book?

 

 

Was what the unelected PM did with his soldiers in 2014 illegal or not? How can you try a guy who with his soldiers backing him up does not have to answer to anyone?

52 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

His convictions were politically motivated after a military coup.

 

Which is exactly the reason why he is not regarded as a criminal anywhere in the World outside of Thailand and is free to travel where he wishes without fear of arrest or persecution.

I guess that is also the case with the Ferrari driver, or not?

A politician who is a criminal is still a criminal. It doesn't matter that the people who don't like him started the prosecution. 

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess that is also the case with the Ferrari driver, or not?

A politician who is a criminal is still a criminal. It doesn't matter that the people who don't like him started the prosecution. 

A military coup and subsequent junta, not an elected administration, took power using the threat of force, and then started judicial proceedings as they had to keep Thaksin from being re-elected. 

 

The charges against him were thus politically motivated, regardless of merit.

 

Hence Thaksin is free to travel the World and his convictions are not recognised anywhere outside of Thailand.

 

Completely different from the Ferrari guy's family paying off the cops so he remains free.

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

A politician who is a criminal is still a criminal.

Not if he is convicted by a judicial bias as a result of a military coup.

10 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

Yes it has, innocent people are not being dragged from their houses and executed for simply speaking out against the establishment.

Can I presume that your board name indicates that you do not have a dog in this fight?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/asia/thailand-dissidents-disappeared-military.html

6 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/asia/thailand-dissidents-disappeared-military.html

 

Sounds like the war on drugs........................only less brutal.

At the end of the day, when all is said and done, I suspect the good Thai people have become weary of the whole invented drama of such issues. Surely, they've more than disgusted with all parties - The Junta Gang, The Shinawatras, The Revered Ones, and all associated. 

 

Time to move on to a more viable existence......without the deeper rhetoric.

13 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Cut a deal with who?

Prawit, Prayut, Anutin and all the others don't want him back.

Only his own party would try to change the law if they got into power and give him a pardon. 

The Thais are regular Houdinis when it comes to deals. 

15 hours ago, geisha said:

Maybe he’ll cut a deal ? They like that don’t they ? 

There isn't a deal to be cut, he's already been sentenced to 12 years and there are more cases outstanding against him.

17 hours ago, webfact said:

MP Nipit Intarasombat over the weekend.

He should be jailed for having such a stupid Ar$e name. 

 

 

13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

13 hours ago, proton said:

Right, how dare he win landslide elections ????

He can win and at the same time he is still a criminal.

He can't run if he's in prison.