13 hours ago, BritScot said:

13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

He can win and at the same time he is still a criminal.

Even if 100% of the people voted for him that doesn't change his crimes and convictions.

Thaksin could have stayed in Thailand and he could have tried to convince people that he is innocent of at least some of those crimes.

But he chose to run away. He chose to pretend to be above the law because he is rich enough to do that.

He should go to jail like any other criminal. 

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In a kangaroo court. No matter what trumpet up charges they pale in comparison to a military coup which should hold a death penalty.

It wasn't a kangaroo court and the charges were not trumped up.

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He can't run if he's in prison.

But his daughter can, until they make up a reason to ban her

1 hour ago, NoshowJones said:

He is guilty of taking over the country illegally, there is no court who can honestly say that he didn't. There was a legally elected government in power when this no hoper and his soldiers took over the country.

Same as general Min Aung Hlaing did in Myanmar seizing power and on the 2021 coup d’état, and imprisoning Aung San Suu Kyi who is 77 years old and will probably die there.  Thailand have close Thais with the Burmese military leaders, as has been reported often in Thai national news.,

If Thaksin would be put in prison, Prayut should be his companion in the same room.

Why? For making a coup. Easy solution to solve the the problem.

10 hours ago, Purdey said:

foreign countries and states welcomed him with open arms

Did they?  UK didn't, US didn't, Germany didn't.  Nicaragua and Montenegro did, I suppose, as did some African nations, those bastions of respectability.  

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

3 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

So unlike the Toxic one, no convictions then, yet you find them guilty without a trail?

 

Some of the charges have been heard/decided in absentia, found guilty and sentenced to big fines and jail terms.

Charges in absentia against whom in the context of your comment?

Edited February 7, 20233 yr by Liverpool Lou

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Which is exactly the reason why he is not regarded as a criminal anywhere in the World outside of Thailand and is free to travel where he wishes without fear of arrest or persecution.

He is regarded as a criminal in the US, the UK and Germany (visas and permissions to stay revoked).

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

his convictions are not recognised anywhere outside of Thailand.

Nonsense.

13 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

Let's not mention that this 'innocent' megalomaniac cut loose his death squads, giving them a free reign to gun down there opposition/foes, allowing them to cut down innocent civilians who spoke out.

Yes, let's brush that under the carpet and pretend that he was just doing it for the Thai people and not for his own purposes.

 

Personally, I would prefer that he didn't come back to finish off his job of raping the country, a man with no boundaries when it comes to grabbing more power, but there again, I'm not in the habit of hero worshiping an evil self serving narcissist.

 

Curious.

Why are there no pending charges for these crimes you mention?

 

23 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Nonsense.

Do tell….where?

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

According to your logic a small-time criminal is not a criminal if a bigger criminal was not (until now) convicted. Really?

 

There is no doubt that Thaksin committed a couple of crimes, no doubt at all. But because he was/is a politician some people call it political crime or political prosecution and conviction.

Like if I rob someone then it's a crime and I should be punished. If a politician does that then it's a political crime and if the opposition brings it up, then it's political prosecution. No! It's still a crime!

 

The fact that Thaksin is a criminal does not mean he only did bad things. He certainly also did good things. But one does not change the other. A criminal is a criminal even if he did some good things in his life.

You are so obsessed to condem Thaksin. One of your eyes is blind. Why are you so fanatic against him?

 

With both of your eyes open, you had to realize and to admit, that the MP of today has a criminal background too. He is responsible for a lot of (government) crimes:

• a coup, very criminal
• putting people in prison who demonstarte against him
• violating young people when protesteing against the government
• restricting a lot of democratioc freedom
• enriching himself to the status of a billionare, although he never could have earnt so much money by his military job
• having a lot of milkitary friends on the top of ministries to control politics completely.
• ........  the list goes on

Has Prayut done positive things for the non-military Thai people? NO, NOT AT ALL!

 

And here is why you are blind on one eye: Thaksin has introduced the 30-Baht-health public insurance. That was a great policy especially for the poor Thai people. Before Thaksin, these people have had big problems when getting sick: not enough money for a normal and often life saving treatment.

 

And this policy has saved much more lives than what you are steadily crying for: the people who have been killed under Thaksin. BTW, a lot of them had deserved the death. I don't defend this, but I write this, because your Thaksin-hate is out of control.

Edited February 7, 20233 yr by puck2

3 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

Again, you are declaring him guilty without a trial.

Are you really ok with that, is that acceptable in your book?

 

 

Is treason acceptable in your book?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=treason+meaning&sxsrf=AJOqlzXgbnR-mqCOkiBavYDJJNt1CPVWkg%3A1675782684732&source=hp&ei=HGriY4eXKaqaseMPjO6fiAw&iflsig=AK50M_UAAAAAY-J4LNEOdC1kcpICAVl4sfgjPkqv2tYz&oq=treason&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYAzIICC4Q1AIQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BAgjECc6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAguELEDEIMBOgQILhAnOggIABCABBCxAzoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QM6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOggILhCABBCxAzoICC4QgAQQ1AI6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOgUILhCABDoLCC4QrwEQxwEQgARQAFiiFWDKNGgAcAB4AIABqQGIAYYGkgEDMi41mAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

 

noun
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

 

And that is exactly what every military coup is.

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Curious.

Why are there no pending charges for these crimes you mention?

 

A certain birthday speech may have been the reason it even happened.

 

Overwhelmingly popular policy the war on drugs was at the time. 

6 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

None yet, but he did steal the country illegally backed by his soldiers, tanks and guns. If that is not a jailing offence, then I don't know what is.

And he totally controlled the police, hardly desireable.

1 hour ago, puck2 said:

You are so obsessed to condem Thaksin. One of your eyes is blind. Why are you so fanatic against him?

 

With both of your eyes open, you had to realize and to admit, that the MP of today has a criminal background too. He is responsible for a lot of (government) crimes:

• a coup, very criminal
• putting people in prison who demonstarte against him
• violating young people when protesteing against the government
• restricting a lot of democratioc freedom
• enriching himself to the status of a billionare, although he never could have earnt so much money by his military job
• having a lot of milkitary friends on the top of ministries to control politics completely.
• ........  the list goes on

Has Prayut done positive things for the non-military Thai people? NO, NOT AT ALL!

 

And here is why you are blind on one eye: Thaksin has introduced the 30-Baht-health public insurance. That was a great policy especially for the poor Thai people. Before Thaksin, these people have had big problems when getting sick: not enough money for a normal and often life saving treatment.

 

And this policy has saved much more lives than what you are steadily crying for: the people who have been killed under Thaksin. BTW, a lot of them had deserved the death. I don't defend this, but I write this, because your Thaksin-hate is out of control.

It seems I have to repeat myself: Thaksin did a few good things. But that doesn't mean he is no criminal. Because he also did crimes. A criminal who does also good things is still a criminal.

Prayut is far away from perfect. And if there will be a time when he will be prosecuted and there is enough evidence that he did something criminal and when he is convicted then he is also a criminal. Then. But not before he is convicted and not before a trial.

 

Prayut did lots of good things. He removed Thaksin from Thai politics. He also removed the militant red-shirts from the streets of Bangkok. Live is so much better in the city without those looters and arsonists, paid and guided by Thaksin, in the city.

 

There would have been no coups in the last 20 years if Thaksin and his clone wouldn't have been so greedy. It seems you like to ignore that simple fact. But then it seems you think someone who did a few good things cannot possibly a criminal. 

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems I have to repeat myself: Thaksin did a few good things. But that doesn't mean he is no criminal. Because he also did crimes. A criminal who does also good things is still a criminal.

Prayut is far away from perfect. And if there will be a time when he will be prosecuted and there is enough evidence that he did something criminal and when he is convicted then he is also a criminal. Then. But not before he is convicted and not before a trial.

 

Prayut did lots of good things. He removed Thaksin from Thai politics. He also removed the militant red-shirts from the streets of Bangkok. Live is so much better in the city without those looters and arsonists, paid and guided by Thaksin, in the city.

 

There would have been no coups in the last 20 years if Thaksin and his clone wouldn't have been so greedy. It seems you like to ignore that simple fact. But then it seems you think someone who did a few good things cannot possibly a criminal. 

 

 

 

 

 

How on earth do people manage to so completely manage to disconnect themselves from reality?

 

Should mankind ever cure this madness then there will be no more Dictators.

 

If you can convince a man to believe absurdities, you can then very easily convince him to commit atrocities.
 

OMF has certainly got the absurdity part sorted.

12 hours ago, Artisi said:

Do you need to ask? 

As I put the question out there it appears yes.

9 hours ago, scorecard said:

And he totally controlled the police, hardly desireable.

He also controlled, and still does, the judiciary.

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

As I put the question out there it appears yes.

Who's on the top of the tree? 

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

UK didn't

He entered the UK in 2008 and later bought Manchester City football club. The British didn't turn him over to Bangkok. 

 

Edited February 8, 20233 yr by Purdey

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

14 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

UK didn't

He entered the UK in 2008 and later bought Manchester City football club. The British didn't turn him over to Bangkok. 

After Fulham and Liverpool turned him down.   After selling the club he was dismissed as Honourary President because of his criminal conviction and being on the run.  

 

How far did he get with his request for asylum in the UK?   The British authorities weren't asked to extradite him to Thailand!

13 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Do tell….where?

UK, US, Germany for starters.  Do you have any evidence of any country that has stated specifically that they do not recognise his criminal convictions?   

4 hours ago, Artisi said:

Who's on the top of the tree? 

That's what I was asking?

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

UK, US, Germany for starters.  Do you have any evidence of any country that has stated specifically that they do not recognise his criminal convictions?   

https://www.thailandnews.co/2011/08/thaksin-never-wanted-by-interpol/

18 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It wasn't a kangaroo court and the charges were not trumped up.

Really! You really believe that? I suppose the tooth fairy and Santa are also real.... lol.

6 minutes ago, BritScot said:

Really! You really believe that? I suppose the tooth fairy and Santa are also real.... lol.

There is a fascinating book “True Believer” by Eric Hoffer that explains these types of people exactly.

On 2/7/2023 at 1:56 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

According to your logic a small-time criminal is not a criminal if a bigger criminal was not (until now) convicted. Really?

 

There is no doubt that Thaksin committed a couple of crimes, no doubt at all. But because he was/is a politician some people call it political crime or political prosecution and conviction.

Like if I rob someone then it's a crime and I should be punished. If a politician does that then it's a political crime and if the opposition brings it up, then it's political prosecution. No! It's still a crime!

 

The fact that Thaksin is a criminal does not mean he only did bad things. He certainly also did good things. But one does not change the other. A criminal is a criminal even if he did some good things in his life.

Black and white if only the world and especially Thailand was like that. To be able to be so lillie white in your life is so commendable.  I would sooner be Taxin at the end of time when his life's worth is weighed at judgement than a general who manages to become a multi millionaire on a very basic wage and then rolls the military out to overthrow a country a crime that exceeds all others. Never forget the rightful PM stood down and called a general election and she would have been reelected by a land slide. Oh I did not like Mr T. but the people of Thailand did and very much still do and they are all that should count.

Edited February 8, 20233 yr by BritScot

1 hour ago, BritScot said:

Black and white if only the world and especially Thailand was like that. To be able to be so lillie white in your life is so commendable.  I would sooner be Taxin at the end of time when his life's worth is weighed at judgement than a general who manages to become a multi millionaire on a very basic wage and then rolls the military out to overthrow a country a crime that exceeds all others. Never forget the rightful PM stood down and called a general election and she would have been reelected by a land slide. Oh I did not like Mr T. but the people of Thailand did and very much still do and they are all that should count.

I was in Bangkok when the last two coups happened. All quiet, all peaceful, and people gave flowers to the soldiers on the streets. Now why did they do that? Over to you.

 

29 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I was in Bangkok when the last two coups happened. All quiet, all peaceful, and people gave flowers to the soldiers on the streets. Now why did they do that? Over to you.

 

How many people gave flowers to the military?

Was it enough to win an election?

Is anyone receiving flowers considered a good guy?

Edited February 8, 20233 yr by MrMojoRisin

In the end....we're all being played with clever distractions, misdirection and underlying sleight-of-hand. 

Something else is in the works here.