Ohio train crash leaves small town in fear of toxic fallout

[Scott]

Anxious residents are still demanding answers 12 days after a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in the small Ohio town of East Palestine.

"It's pretty dramatic right now," said James Figley, who lives just blocks from the derailment site. "The whole town's in an uproar."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64642046

[Scott]

Troll post removed. 

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Scott said:

Anxious residents are still demanding answers 12 days

They need to look at the legislation that may have led to this:

 

Trump Rolls Back Train-Braking Rule Meant to Keep Oil Tankers from Exploding Near Communities

Trains that carry oil and other flammable material won’t have to install electronically controlled brakes that reduce the risk of train derailments and explosions after the reversal by Trump officials of an Obama-era safety rule.

https://fortune.com/2018/09/24/train-explosion-prevention-rule-reversed-by-trump-officials/

[metisdead]

Looks like preventive maintenance was likely the cause of the derailment:

 

NTSB Issues Investigative Update on Ohio Train Derailment

 

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NTSB investigators have identified and examined the rail car that initiated the derailment. Surveillance video from a residence showed what appears to be a wheel bearing in the final stage of overheat failure moments before the derailment. The wheelset from the suspected railcar has been collected as evidence for metallurgical examination. 

 

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20230214.aspx

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

They need to look at the legislation that may have led to this:

 

Trump Rolls Back Train-Braking Rule Meant to Keep Oil Tankers from Exploding Near Communities

Trains that carry oil and other flammable material won’t have to install electronically controlled brakes that reduce the risk of train derailments and explosions after the reversal by Trump officials of an Obama-era safety rule.

https://fortune.com/2018/09/24/train-explosion-prevention-rule-reversed-by-trump-officials/

An exact cause for the derailment has not yet been determined by the US National Transportation Safety Board, but they said that it may have been related to a mechanical issue on one of the car axles.

 

This is part of the OP, it doesn't mention brake failure. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/pete-buttigieg-slammed-for-silence-on-ohio-train-derailment/

 

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg copped bipartisan heat Monday when he failed to address the catastrophic Ohio train derailment which released toxic chemicals into the air this month — but joked about Chinese spy balloons and moaned about a lack of diversity in the construction industry.

Edited February 16, 2023 by metisdead
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[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

An exact cause for the derailment has not yet been determined by the US National Transportation Safety Board, but they said that it may have been related to a mechanical issue on one of the car axles.

 

This is part of the OP, it doesn't mention brake failure. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/pete-buttigieg-slammed-for-silence-on-ohio-train-derailment/

 

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg copped bipartisan heat Monday when he failed to address the catastrophic Ohio train derailment which released toxic chemicals into the air this month — but joked about Chinese spy balloons and moaned about a lack of diversity in the construction industry.

Not sure why you seem to think I'm convinced it was brake failure, did you not notice my only comment being:

"They need to look at the legislation that may have led to this"

 

I would suggest that all aspects are currently being investigated and until that is completed nobody really knows. However from the link above your post it states that its possible wheel bearings. If brakes are failing then that in my opinion could be a cause of that. From the article I linked to.

 

"About 20 derailments of trains carrying oil and ethanol that have led to spills, fires, and, in some cases, evacuations have occurred since 2010 in the U.S. and Canada. Riverkeeper, a clean-water advocacy group, compiled video reports from many of the accidents.

U.S. trains rely on pneumatic braking technology first invented in the 1860s, in which continuous air pressure linked from the front of the train keeps a brake from engaging on wheels on each car."

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

An exact cause for the derailment has not yet been determined by the US National Transportation Safety Board, but they said that it may have been related to a mechanical issue on one of the car axles.

 

This is part of the OP, it doesn't mention brake failure. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/pete-buttigieg-slammed-for-silence-on-ohio-train-derailment/

 

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg copped bipartisan heat Monday when he failed to address the catastrophic Ohio train derailment which released toxic chemicals into the air this month — but joked about Chinese spy balloons and moaned about a lack of diversity in the construction industry.

Nice try.

 

But it has nothing to do with Pete Buttigieg.

 

 

 

[pegman]

Reports seem to indicate that the cause was a burnt off roller bearing. These are sealed units that are   maintenance free. Trackside heat detectors are the only prevention measure. Problem is a bearing can develop a problem and melt down between detectors. 

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not sure why you seem to think I'm convinced it was brake failure, did you not notice my only comment being:

"They need to look at the legislation that may have led to this"

 

I would suggest that all aspects are currently being investigated and until that is completed nobody really knows. However from the link above your post it states that its possible wheel bearings. If brakes are failing then that in my opinion could be a cause of that. From the article I linked to.

 

"About 20 derailments of trains carrying oil and ethanol that have led to spills, fires, and, in some cases, evacuations have occurred since 2010 in the U.S. and Canada. Riverkeeper, a clean-water advocacy group, compiled video reports from many of the accidents.

U.S. trains rely on pneumatic braking technology first invented in the 1860s, in which continuous air pressure linked from the front of the train keeps a brake from engaging on wheels on each car."

Gee I don't know, well maybe your comment

  7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

They need to look at the legislation that may have led to this:

 

Trump Rolls Back Train-Braking Rule Meant to Keep Oil Tankers from Exploding Near Communities

Trains that carry oil and other flammable material won’t have to install electronically controlled brakes that reduce the risk of train derailments and explosions after the reversal by Trump officials of an Obama-era safety rule.

https://fortune.com/2018/09/24/train-explosion-prevention-rule-reversed-by-trump-officials/

 

Trying to shift blame on Trump, too funny. I'm sure Pete Buttigieg will look into it.

[EVENKEEL]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nice try.

 

But it has nothing to do with Pete Buttigieg.

 

 

 

Oh I'm so sorry, But I thought Buttigieg was Transportation Secretary.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Gee I don't know, well maybe your comment

  7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

They need to look at the legislation that may have led to this:

 

Trump Rolls Back Train-Braking Rule Meant to Keep Oil Tankers from Exploding Near Communities

Trains that carry oil and other flammable material won’t have to install electronically controlled brakes that reduce the risk of train derailments and explosions after the reversal by Trump officials of an Obama-era safety rule.

https://fortune.com/2018/09/24/train-explosion-prevention-rule-reversed-by-trump-officials/

 

Trying to shift blame on Trump, too funny. I'm sure Pete Buttigieg will look into it.

Trying to shift blame on Trump, too funny. I'm sure Pete Buttigieg will look into it.

 

If "you say so" but my post speaks for itself and is related to the topic

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Oh I'm so sorry, But I thought Buttigieg was Transportation Secretary.

He wasn’t driving the train, he doesn’t own the train company, he didn’t roll back regulations on train safety.

[EVENKEEL]

43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He wasn’t driving the train, he doesn’t own the train company, he didn’t roll back regulations on train safety.

Please stop the trolling.

 

Guess you missed the part where he's Sec of Transportation, and yes Railroads fall under that title. Please show cause of accident was due to rollback of safety procedures.

 

You're just throwing mud to see what sticks.

Edited February 16, 2023 by EVENKEEL

[Jai Dee]

A reported troll post has been removed.

[VocalNeal]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

and Canada.

I'm sure that like Canadian railways they have hotspot detectors which monitor passing railcars.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He wasn’t driving the train, he doesn’t own the train company, he didn’t roll back regulations on train safety.

Exactly, there is a wide shared responsibility for the whole system.

 

Pete Buttigieg blames Trump for Ohio train derailment amid criticism:

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg shifted part of the blame for the recent derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals in Ohio on the Trump administration reversing a little-known safety rule.

"We’re constrained by law on some areas of rail regulation (like the braking rule withdrawn by the Trump administration in 2018 because of a law passed by Congress in 2015), but we are using the powers we do have to keep people safe," the transportation secretary added, "and of course, I’m always ready to work with Congress on furthering (or in some cases, restoring) our capacity to address rail safety issues."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pete-buttigieg-blames-trump-ohio-train-derailment-were-constrained

 

Involved in the responsibilities are:

The Surface Transportation Board, The Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) conducts the accident investigation and the EPA monitors contamination.

 

"the government’s oversight is split confusingly among several agencies"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23597778/ohio-train-east-palestine-trainwreck-accident-chemical-norfolk

 

Trains are becoming less safe. Why the Ohio derailment disaster could happen more often

The effort to create a new safety rule was fought by industry lobbyists, including Norfolk Southern Corp., the Atlanta-based company whose train derailed Feb. 3 in eastern Ohio and spilled chemicals,   leaving residents in East Palestine worried about their air, soil and water quality.

When the safety rule was issued in 2015, however, it was narrowly crafted and required only electronically controlled brakes – which applies braking simultaneously across a train rather than railcar by railcar over a span of seconds – to be installed by 2023.

The Trump administration repealed the rule three years later, stating that its cost exceeded the benefits. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/14/norfolk-southerns-ohio-train-derailment-emblematic-rail-trends/11248956002/

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3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Gee I don't know, well maybe your comment

  7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

They need to look at the legislation that may have led to this:

 

Trump Rolls Back Train-Braking Rule Meant to Keep Oil Tankers from Exploding Near Communities

Trains that carry oil and other flammable material won’t have to install electronically controlled brakes that reduce the risk of train derailments and explosions after the reversal by Trump officials of an Obama-era safety rule.

https://fortune.com/2018/09/24/train-explosion-prevention-rule-reversed-by-trump-officials/

 

Trying to shift blame on Trump, too funny. I'm sure Pete Buttigieg will look into it.

Actually, it may be that the Trump administration and the Biden administration are responsible.

A rule was passed under President Barack Obama that made it a requirement for trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes, but this was rescinded in 2017 by the Trump administration...

Nor have rail regulators in Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg's department proposed reinstating the safety rule in question, The Lever reported. A spokesperson for the FRA told the outlet that it was continuing to evaluate ECP brakes to improve safety.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-blame-ohio-train-derailment-1781163

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Please stop the trolling.

 

Guess you missed the part where he's Sec of Transportation, and yes Railroads fall under that title. Please show cause of accident was due to rollback of safety procedures.

 

You're just throwing mud to see what sticks.

Another one of those accusations that reads much like a confession