Where should/will an agent register me?

[trax33]

When using an agent to fund the Non O retirement "visa" (extension of stay based on retirement), does it make any difference if the agent registers me in another province or if he registers me in the place where I'm actually residing, Chiang Mai? I've heard that Chiang Mai is a bit a difficult place in this regard.

[ubonjoe]

Most agents have a arrangement with a immigration office to do the extensions.

[The Fugitive]

Nothing to worry about. Despite popular opinion, using an agent does not commit you to use their (or any other agents service in future).

[soi3eddie]

Likely doesn't matter where. If using an agent, it's quite possible that your visa/extension will be issued by an office far away from where you live. My GF got hers from an office 900Kms away from where she lives (and agent operates). It hasn't caused her any issues.

 

Edited March 2, 2023 by soi3eddie

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Nothing to worry about. Despite popular opinion, using an agent does not commit you to use their (or any other agents service in future).

That depends upon what the agent did. If they arranged financial proof it could be a problem since many offices want to see proof that it had been in the bank for the past year.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Most agents have a arrangement with a immigration office to do the extensions.

"When using an agent to fund the Non O retirement"

You mean they bribe them which is illegal.

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

"When using an agent to fund the Non O retirement"

You mean they bribe them which is illegal.

You took my post out of context.

[LatPhrao]

Based on someone's personal experience living Bangkok....an agent arranged a visa and extension through a northern immigration office, 800K thb went short term into then out of the person's bank account. Passport received the relevant stamps and the payment receipts accompanied the passport when  return.  That left an impending crisis of sorts at first 90 report.  Requiring a new TM30 to be issued for the Bangkok residence.  At 90 day reporting it still caused a commotion but reporting agent finally 'fixed it in her computer' and then advised to next time get your visa in Bangkok.  On next 90 day report it was accepted without any issues.  What will happen at the first extension based on Retirement remains to be seen.  Same agent? New agent? New problems?  unknown

Edited March 2, 2023 by LatPhrao

[trax33]

13 minutes ago, LatPhrao said:

Based on someone's personal experience living Bangkok....an agent arranged a visa and extension through a northern immigration office, 800K thb went short term into then out of the person's bank account. Passport received the relevant stamps and the payment receipts accompanied the passport when  return.  That left an impending crisis of sorts at first 90 report.  Requiring a new TM30 to be issued for the Bangkok residence.  At 90 reporting it still caused a commotion but reporting agent finally 'fixed it in her computer' and then advised to next time get your visa in Bangkok.  On next 90 day report it was accepted without any issues.

Your post makes me think of another issue that isn't clear to me: if the agent registers me in a different province than the one I'm living in and he does the extensions from that province, but my landlord registers me (of course) at the place I'm actually living in, doesn't that create problems regarding 90 day reporting?

Or does the 90 day reporting then also need to be done by the visa agent from that different province?

[The Fugitive]

14 minutes ago, LatPhrao said:

Based on someone's personal experience living Bangkok....an agent arranged a visa and extension through a northern immigration office, 800K thb went short term into then out of the person's bank account. Passport received the relevant stamps and the payment receipts accompanied the passport when  return.  That left an impending crisis of sorts at first 90 report.  Requiring a new TM30 to be issued for the Bangkok residence.  At 90 day reporting it still caused a commotion but reporting agent finally 'fixed it in her computer' and then advised to next time get your visa in Bangkok.  On next 90 day report it was accepted without any issues.  What will happen at the first extension based on Retirement remains to be seen.  Same agent? New agent? New problems?  unknown

Can confirm that my agent registered me at her apartments for the purpose of obtaining Non 'O' Retirement Visa combined with 12 months extension and the opening of a Bangkok Bank savings account. Before my first 90 day report fell due I moved to another Province and registered my new address with the local Immigration Office. No issues with 90 day reporting and my 'first' extension or since.

[The Fugitive]

10 minutes ago, trax33 said:

Your post makes me think of another issue that isn't clear to me: if the agent registers me in a different province than the one I'm living in and he does the extensions from that province, but my landlord registers me (of course) at the place I'm actually living in, doesn't that create problems regarding 90 day reporting?

Or does the 90 day reporting then also need to be done by the visa agent from that different province?

You only ever use one address, always the latest one (and one 90 day report) at a time.

[Sheryl]

14 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

You only ever use one address, always the latest one (and one 90 day report) at a time.

I think to do an extension you have to be registered (TM30) in that province and predumably agent arranges thus. So at  minimum you'd need to register your actual address as a change of address before you could do a 90 day repirt where you actually live? 

[trax33]

13 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

You only ever use one address, always the latest one (and one 90 day report) at a time.

So the address the agent uses is also the same address as for the 90 day reporting?

And if that address is not my actual address, I guess the agent then has to do the reporting, since I don't think (s)he will tell me where that is?

And after the agent does the 90 day reporting, can I check if it has been done "properly"?

[LatPhrao]

20 minutes ago, trax33 said:

Your post makes me think of another issue that isn't clear to me: if the agent registers me in a different province than the one I'm living in and he does the extensions from that province, but my landlord registers me (of course) at the place I'm actually living in, doesn't that create problems regarding 90 day reporting?

Or does the 90 day reporting then also need to be done by the visa agent from that different province?

I think that post made the point that a difference between the immigration province and a different living address/TM30 address has the potential to raise questions at the 90 day reporting counter.  However the issue may be/should be cured by being able to show a very current TM30 - address where you live.                          

Regards the 90 day reporting, it's been reported that the agent will/shoulld also file the 90 day reports on behalf of their client. For a fee.  Don't count on it!  imho Some may 'lose interest' in your case once they have your money and just leave you hanging in the breeze, i.e., you'll be figuring out how to successfully do the 90 day report yourself.  The remedy seems to be, in person filing 90 day report, a very current TM30 at your actual address, copy in hand,  and weathering the 90 report agent's admonishments.  But the timely TM30 will /should prevail and you'll get your 90 day report accepted. The next one should process without issue.

[proton]

Often an agent will have no corrupt officials they can bribe at your office in your province, so have to go to another province. The law states yo have to apply for an extension from the province you live in. Up to you if you think that will be legal.

[The Fugitive]

32 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I think to do an extension you have to be registered (TM30) in that province and predumably agent arranges thus. So at  minimum you'd need to register your actual address as a change of address before you could do a 90 day repirt where you actually live? 

LatPhrao has put in into a nutshell. The key is the TM30 by his landlord. When he has this he'll know the address the IO have upon their records. He will then be able to make 90 day reports and apply for extensions with utmost ease.

[trax33]

26 minutes ago, LatPhrao said:

I think that post made the point that a difference between the immigration province and a different living address/TM30 address has the potential to raise questions at the 90 day reporting counter.  However the issue may be/should be cured by being able to show a very current TM30 - address where you live.                          

Regards the 90 day reporting, it's been reported that the agent will/shoulld also file the 90 day reports on behalf of their client. For a fee.  Don't count on it!  imho Some may 'lose interest' in your case once they have your money and just leave you hanging in the breeze, i.e., you'll be figuring out how to successfully do the 90 day report yourself.  The remedy seems to be, in person filing 90 day report, a very current TM30 at your actual address, copy in hand,  and weathering the 90 report agent's admonishments.  But the timely TM30 will /should prevail and you'll get your 90 day report accepted. The next one should process without issue.

So you're saying (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that when an agent registers me in a different province I could still do the 90 day reporting in my own province?

And at immigration in my own province they won't notice the fact that I've been registered in a different province?

[The Fugitive]

35 minutes ago, trax33 said:

So the address the agent uses is also the same address as for the 90 day reporting?

And if that address is not my actual address, I guess the agent then has to do the reporting, since I don't think (s)he will tell me where that is?

And after the agent does the 90 day reporting, can I check if it has been done "properly"?

LatPhrao has provided a most superb solution. You need to obtain a copy of form TM30 from your landlord. 90 day reporting and extensions must use this address. No need for your agent to do your 90 day reporting for you (unless you've already paid in advance for the service). Easy to do at Immigration Office/by post/on-line.

[trax33]

8 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

LatPhrao has provided a most superb solution. You need to obtain a copy of form TM30 from your landlord. 90 day reporting and extensions must use this address. No need for your agent to do your 90 day reporting for you (unless you've already paid in advance for the service). Easy to do at Immigration Office/by post/on-line.

But what if the agent can't "find" an IO in my province and has to look elsewhere?

 

[NoDisplayName]

6 hours ago, The Fugitive said:

Nothing to worry about. Despite popular opinion, using an agent does not commit you to use their (or any other agents service in future).

When the agent puts 800K into your account for a couple hours and then immediately withdraws it, you'll be needing an agent again next year as you haven't maintained the correct balance in your bank account throughout the year.

[The Fugitive]

30 minutes ago, trax33 said:

But what if the agent can't "find" an IO in my province and has to look elsewhere?

 

Then your agent will either have to submit your 90 day reports upon your behalf or supply you with the address they've given to the IO so that you can do them. If you can't resolve this you could try going to the IO in the area you're actually living in and explain. If they're anything like my own IO they will jump at the chance to undercut your agents fees.

[The Fugitive]

13 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

When the agent puts 800K into your account for a couple hours and then immediately withdraws it, you'll be needing an agent again next year as you haven't maintained the correct balance in your bank account throughout the year.

In my own case that wasn't necessary. The IO asked me how much the agent charged and offered to 'do it for less'.

[trax33]

11 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Then your agent will either have to submit your 90 day reports upon your behalf or supply you with the address they've given to the IO so that you can do them. If you can't resolve this you could try going to the IO in the area you're actually living in and explain. If they're anything like my own IO they will jump at the chance to undercut your agents fees.

Wow, you really need to have guts to do that! Suppose the IO rejects your offer, would you then nonchalantly walk out of the office? ????

Edited March 2, 2023 by trax33
It was not my intention to use bold letters in the last part of the sentence, but can't find a way to change it...

[The Fugitive]

6 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

The "admonishments" are exactly what deters me from the agent route and with my IO I doubt subsequent 90 days would fare any better. My IO already makes 90 day reporting as difficult as possible and demands bribes for it.  They'd totally p8tch a fit if they saw the visa had been issued elsewhrte  especially as they would know it was done that way to bypass them (small office, very few farang in the province snd they know quite well that I live there snd have for more than 20 years).

 

But my IO us an outlier.

My IO operate a 'book system'. After each extension you can pay 2,000 baht and your name goes into the book for them to do your 90 day reports for you until your next extension. A tip gets you the VIP service i.e. telephone appointment, no form filling or questions, just hand in your passport and bank photocopies and they take your deskcam photo. They're always offering to help me in some way!

[Sheryl]

Just now, The Fugitive said:

My IO operate a 'book system'. After each extension you can pay 2,000 baht and your name goes into the book for them to do your 90 day reports for you until your next extension. A tip gets you the VIP service i.e. telephone appointment, no form filling or questions, just hand in your passport and bank photocopies and they take your deskcam photo. They're always offering to help me in some way!

Lucky you.

 

Could not be more unlike my IO. 

[The Fugitive]

20 minutes ago, trax33 said:

Wow, you really need to have guts to do that! Suppose the IO rejects your offer, would you then nonchalantly walk out of the office? ????

I never asked, they offered to help for less than my agent charges. Best if you take a Thai person with you as they 'understand' each other! 

[trax33]

14 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

I never asked, they offered to help for less than my agent charges. Best if you take a Thai person with you as they 'understand' each other! 

So they knew you were using an agent? Or is this always obvious to them? ????

Edited March 2, 2023 by trax33

[LatPhrao]

40 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Then your agent will either have to submit your 90 day reports upon your behalf or supply you with the address they've given to the IO so that you can do them. If you can't resolve this you could try going to the IO in the area you're actually living in and explain. If they're anything like my own IO they will jump at the chance to undercut your agents fees.

In the case relayed earlier the agent was presented with the conundrum of the distant IO stamping in the visa and the visa seeker/buyer's Bangkok address.  And the middleman who defaulted on filing the 90 day reports.  So the agent filed a TM30 of his client's actual living address.  So the Agent apparently has the capacity to fix that address problem with a TM30  they submit.

[mokwit]

TM30's and supporting paperwork seem to be getting a lot of scrutiny at CW.

[BritTim]

4 hours ago, proton said:

The law states yo have to apply for an extension from the province you live in.

I am aware that immigration officials will generally tell you to get extensions, re-entry permits and so on from the immigration office in the province where you are registered. However, I have seen cases where this was not enforced, and was not aware that it was actually illegal. Can you point at the Thai law that mandates this customary practice.