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[grs90]

I was in Central Mall earlier and saw the NETA V.  Nice looking little car and seemed incredibly cheap at 549,000.  

 

Have been looking at reviews since coming home and the common theme seems to be that it is good for city driving but a bit ropey on the longer distance driving.  

 

I was surprised at the sales girl's claim that the 38KW battery is capable of 380KM range although this seems to be backed up by the info available online.  I was also surprised when she said neither the driver seat height or the steering wheel position was adjustable because when I sat in it I had to put the seat all the way back just to get my knees below the steering wheel and, having done that, my legs couldn't reach the pedals!

 

I will be changing the current car during the coming months and am considering anything up to around 750,000 baht as I'm a bit mean with the money and don't really aspire to anything more expensive. I haven't got it to any detailed look at possibilities yet or visited showrooms and arranged test drives.  

 

Typically we only do around 15,000 KM a year, 90% of which is journeys under 50KM with 4 or 5 longer trips per year.

 

The current car is an Almera which has been totally reliable for the past 6 years of ownership and fits well with my dead boring, conservative driving style.  So a new version of that is on the "possibles" list, along with the Toyata Yaris Ativ and the Mazda 2.  

 

I am tempted though to go full electric this time and, so far, have been mainly focused on the MG EP Plus which seems to tick most of my boxes, subject to the price of the soon to be released revamped model.  The NETA V though has piqued my interest now and, subject to me being able to fit in to it, could go the "possibles" list.

 

So, does anyone own one and, if so, can you share your experiences?  In particular is the driving position adjustable in any way?  And how close to the advertised one charge driving range do you get?   

 

Cheers for any feedback.

 

 

 

 

[Celsius]

Chinese car. HARD PASS

[JeffersLos]

22 minutes ago, grs90 said:

Have any members got one?

Neta hope in hell. 

[Bassosa]

1 hour ago, Celsius said:

Chinese car. HARD PASS

I recently found out that these kind of exclamations were common in the 70's but then for Japanese cars. We all know what followed.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Bassosa

[CartagenaWarlock]

2 hours ago, grs90 said:

My current car is an Almera, which has been totally reliable for the past 6 years of ownership and fits well with my boring, conservative driving style. So a new version of that is on the "possibles" list, along with the Toyota Yaris Ativ and the Mazda 2. 

Almera and Yarris ATV are good compact cars. Excellent for city driving and occasionally long distance driving. Not looked into Mazda 2. 

[KhunLA]

26 minutes ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

Almera and Yarris ATV are good compact cars. Excellent for city driving and occasionally long distance driving. Not looked into Mazda 2. 

After having an EV, no way going back to an ICE.

[vinny41]

Op should look at Current MG EP plus , new facelift 2023 MG EP price unknown until 23rd March and MG4 sightly over budget at B869K and the gwm ora good cat 

Edited March 6, 2023 by vinny41
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[DavisH]

4 hours ago, Bassosa said:

I recently found out that these kind of exclamations were common in the 70's but then for Japanese cars. We all know what followed.

 

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

After having an EV, no way going back to an ICE.

Do you do 15 k kms a year as well as the op? The savings are a lot less over an ecocar that gets 18-20 km/l or a hybrid. 

[KhunLA]

30 minutes ago, DavisH said:

 

Do you do 15 k kms a year as well as the op? The savings are a lot less over an ecocar that gets 18-20 km/l or a hybrid. 

We average 20k a year, and the very few cars that get 18-20kmL, we prefer not to have.  Actually only 1 that I'm familiar with, Celerio (20kpl), and way to small for our purposes.  Very nice for the price though, if anyone is looking in that direction.

 

Though uses less petrol, they still use petrol.  We prefer to move forward in the future, not stay in the past.

 

Also have no need for a hybrid, as for us, what would be the point.  Still needs petrol and way too much maintenance.

Edited March 6, 2023 by KhunLA

[CartagenaWarlock]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

After having an EV, no way going back to an ICE.

I have both a new EV and an old ICE in the USA. I use EV for city driving and ICE for long distance, though I hardly drive long distance now a days. In Thailand I don't have a car and always use bolt, BTS, MRT, flight, Taxis, etc. Never felt the need for a car, though sometimes felt the urge to  buy a car in Pattaya but resistated my urge because I could not justify myself the reason to buy a car. My bolt charges in Pattaya never exceeded 3K per month. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by CartagenaWarlock

[KhunLA]

8 hours ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

I have both a new EV and an old ICE in the USA. I use EV for city driving and ICE for long distance, though I hardly drive long distance now a days. In Thailand I don't have a car and always use bolt, BTS, MRT, flight, Taxis, etc. Never felt the need for a car, though sometimes felt the urge to  buy a car in Pattaya but resistated my urge because I could not justify myself the reason to buy a car. My bolt charges in Pattaya never exceeded 3K per month. 

If not for the O&As, we really don't need a car here, and it is a luxury item, and not inexpensive, relative to monthly outlay.  And we live sort of rural, but actually close to everything.   No public trans here, but could easily get by with a side cart on the scooter, for shopping and getting around.

 

If need/want basic around town transport, a car, then hard to beat the price and operating cost (20 kp/L) of the Celerio.   Neta V, just add to a good EV option, for around town, and short O&As, or longer if patient.  If the extra 200k isn't a budget issue, and if racking up a few kms, then ROI will be realized probably before warranty expires.

 

Really depends on people's needs, budget, and age of course.  I (68), might, hopefully, see ROI (250k over ICE), of the ZS, as ZS (ICE & EV) not exactly inexpensive, IF live long enough and do our usually 20k kms a year.   Wife, 23 yrs younger, will definitely reap the benefits, and with luck, might be her last car.

 

EV ROI vs ICE (MG ZS) ... @ ฿250k cost.  8yrs X 20k kms = 160k kms

160k kms = ฿576k for petrol @ 10km/L @ ฿36/L, so ROI for us should be rather quick.  Half of those kms locally, and charged up with excess solar at the house, so basically free. 

 

Already have 6000 kms on the car, and <5 months old, and most of those, local kms.  Past cars since I've been here, have been 20k kms a year, average.

 

MG ZS ICE we had for just shy of 2 yrs, and racked up 39k kms.

Edited March 7, 2023 by KhunLA

[steve187]

lets give this a bump, a year later someone must have bought one, the older model now down to 479,000thb i believe , as there is a new model neta v 2 available with 40.7 kWh Lithium-ion LFP Battery, 549,000 and 569,000 for i smart,  minor changes - 

Change Projector Lens headlights to LED. Change the new design tail light LED Strip

Change the front and rear bumper, new design

Change the front air trap. New design, Star Galaxy Grille.

Add exterior body color Milk Tea, Blue Baby, 

Add two-tone interior color Black / white, White / blue, All black

Add driver/front passenger seat Adjusted by hand 6 directions (increase high-low level)

Add Wireless Charger Wireless Charger

Add a rear windshield wiper system

Added variable speed control system Full-Speed Adaptive Cruise Control

Added a warning system when the front car moves. Front Car Start Reminder

Added a forward Collision Waring warning system.

Added automatic braking system Automatic Emergency Braking

Add a car treatment system to Lane Keeping Assist.

Added a warning system when the car leaves the lane. Lane Departure Warning

[Ste78]

1 exact year we have Neta V in the family, made 18k.

around 50km daily plus some extra in the weekend, we charge every 3 days with slow charger at home (have plenty of time...) just to keep in the optimal range 20-80%.

 

service was done at 10k , for free

we only had problem with the SW slightly inclined probably due to a hole on street: fixed quickly at mechanic paid by us.

had a proximity sensor not working recently, waiting to get it replaced in warranty

 

perfect for short distance, when you stuck in the traffic consumption is very low.

In the highway at 110kmh, the estimated km becomes half !

 

i am 1.88 tall, my wife 1.55 and both no problems to drive the car (she used daily but I like to drive it much more than our big SUV diesel).

 

being the at the same price of entry car ICE, I see no reason not to buy it, considering you will save at least 3/4 times for pretrol (6x cheaper than my SUV which doest 10km/l)

 

[steve187]

another bump. new model neta v2 is now 429.000thb non smart and i smart 459,000thb

I am still on the fence, i sat in one the other day and the seat and steering wheel is a bit close,  but I didn't fiddle with the seat.

[KhunLA]

On 5/15/2024 at 4:32 PM, Ste78 said:

i am 1.88 tall, my wife 1.55 and both no problems to drive the car (she used daily but I like to drive it much more than our big SUV diesel).

 

being the at the same price of entry car ICE, I see no reason not to buy it, considering you will save at least 3/4 times for pretrol (6x cheaper than my SUV which doest 10km/l)

 

That's quite the telling statement, aside from buy in price & low operating cost 👍

 

Couldn't agree more, and don't see any reason to buy an ICE 

[Lacessit]

On 3/6/2023 at 6:04 PM, CartagenaWarlock said:

Almera and Yarris ATV are good compact cars. Excellent for city driving and occasionally long distance driving. Not looked into Mazda 2. 

IMO the Mazda 2 is superior, mainly because it has a torque-style automatic gearbox, rather than the CVT in the Nissan. Apparently the Yaris has both options.

 

Being able to swap into quasi-manual gears is an asset in hill driving. CVT's don't have the same flexibility.

[gomangosteen]

We don't own one, but company my wife works for bought one in December 2022 and liked it so much they bought another one in June 2023 - more practical and far cheaper than the previous two Isuzu d-Max for their usage.

Civil Engineering company the cars are used for engineers checking in on jobs from Chanthaburi to Rayong and south to Trat around 200km a day, 6-7 days per week, plus her round-town use when available. 

Staff cars - used and abused like many company vehicles but they haven't self-destructed just yet. Can't comment on the km per charge as they're left on charge each night. 

[ignis]

2 come to the villae most days, the grey [must be arond a yers old] one is a replacement to the Red Chevy Pickup, e blue one is a replcement to a  DMax, no idea what Delivery Companys 

 

someone in the Village has Yellow one on red plate 

 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

IMO the Mazda 2 is superior, mainly because it has a torque-style automatic gearbox, rather than the CVT in the Nissan. Apparently the Yaris has both options.

 

Being able to swap into quasi-manual gears is an asset in hill driving. CVT's don't have the same flexibility.

Topic is NETA V, but whatever.

 

Owning both Mazda2 and Vios (basically a Yaris), I wouldn't own either again, or recommend to anyone.  Overpriced & underperforming compared to NETA V, besides cost to operate & maintain.

[Lacessit]

57 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Topic is NETA V, but whatever.

 

Owning both Mazda2 and Vios (basically a Yaris), I wouldn't own either again, or recommend to anyone.  Overpriced & underperforming compared to NETA V, besides cost to operate & maintain.

It depends on perspective.

 

We rack up very low kilometres in both. The Mazda 2 has just ticked over to 40,000 km.

 

I bought the Vios about 10 years ago now. 230,000 baht, plus 30,000 baht to get it to my mechanical standards. Probably get 80,000 baht for it now. Utterly reliable.

 

The Vios depreciation is 16,000 baht/year.

 

I doubt very much the NETA depreciation is anything like that, given the way the new RRP has tumbled.

 

It might be very nice to have a new NETA, to impress friends and neighbors. Not interested.

 

I could only charge it at the house, not the condo. It might get used once every 3-6 months, driving to Chiang Mai. I'd probably have range anxiety.

 

My very good independent mechanic usually charges me 1000 - 1500 baht for a service on either vehicle, and he does a much better job than some apprentice at a dealership. Checks everything.

 

What's the point? It does not make financial sense to me. YMMV.

Edited August 10 by Lacessit

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

It depends on perspective.

 

We rack up very low kilometres in both. The Mazda 2 has just ticked over to 40,000 km.

 

I bought the Vios about 10 years ago now. 230,000 baht, plus 30,000 baht to get it to my mechanical standards. Probably get 80,000 baht for it now. Utterly reliable.

 

The Vios depreciation is 16,000 baht/year.

 

I doubt very much the NETA depreciation is anything like that, given the way the new RRP has tumbled.

 

It might be very nice to have a new NETA, to impress friends and neighbors. Not interested.

 

I could only charge it at the house, not the condo. It might get used once every 3-6 months, driving to Chiang Mai. I'd probably have range anxiety.

 

My very good independent mechanic usually charges me 1000 - 1500 baht for a service on either vehicle, and he does a much better job than some apprentice at a dealership. Checks everything.

 

What's the point? It does not make financial sense to me. YMMV.

OP didn't ask cheapest 2nd hand car in 2023.  Topic is NETA V

 

Nobody knows what the depreciation will be in 10 year.  Surely just pocket change,  no matter what entry level car you buy.  BEV or ICEV

 

NETA V is both cheaper to by in, along with operate & maintain.  Kind of rids any depreciation comparison of any under performing ICEV in 10 yrs time.

 

As stated many times, BEV aren't for everyone, but that is what the OP asked about.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

 

 

Nobody knows what the depreciation will be in 10 year.  Surely just pocket change,  no matter what entry level car you buy.  BEV or ICEV

 

 

What will a NETA V be worth in ten years?

 

My Vios is coming up to 20 yo, still going strong. Do you think a NETA V

( and more significantly, its battery ) can say the same in 20 years?

 

IMO you missed the point of my post, which no longer surprises me.

[KhunLA]

42 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What will a NETA V be worth in ten years?

 

My Vios is coming up to 20 yo, still going strong. Do you think a NETA V

( and more significantly, its battery ) can say the same in 20 years?

 

IMO you missed the point of my post, which no longer surprises me.

Since you don't drive yours very much, I guess 20 yrs is easy.

 

Expect battery life (conservative) of LFP chemistry.   As noted at the bottom, for our MG ZS.   Now put in you #s for kms per year and do the math.

 

Edited August 10 by KhunLA

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Since you don't drive yours very much, I guess 20 yrs is easy.

 

Expect battery life of LFP chemistry.   As noted at the bottom, for our MG ZS.   Now put in you #s for kms per year and do the math.

 

Sorry, I don't buy a calculation that is based on a ZS, not the NETA V.

 

I also don't buy theoretical calculations, based on experience.

 

I once had the task of measuring a certain pollutant in a stack emission. The engineering design and environmental licence said the emission was X mg/cubic metre.

It came as a nasty surprise to the engineers who built the system, when I got readings of 10-20 times X. They had made an assumption about one variable which was invalid.

I was quite unpopular for a while, a lot of red faces. It led to a hasty  renegotiation of the emission limits with the environmental authority.

 

IMO you can work up results in a lab, or on a design table. However, nothing beats performance in the field.

[KhunLA]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Sorry, I don't buy a calculation that is based on a ZS, not the NETA V.

 

I also don't buy theoretical calculations, based on experience.

 

I once had the task of measuring a certain pollutant in a stack emission. The engineering design and environmental licence said the emission was X mg/cubic metre.

It came as a nasty surprise to the engineers who built the system, when I got readings of 10-20 times X. They had made an assumption about one variable which was invalid.

I was quite unpopular for a while, a lot of red faces. It led to a hasty  renegotiation of the emission limits with the environmental authority.

 

IMO you can work up results in a lab, or on a design table. However, nothing beats performance in the field.

Nothing theoretical, as they actually test those kind of things. 

 

Theoretical would be those thinking, you may even get 10k cycles out of them.  As I said, 2500 is considered conservative by many.

 

Has nothing to do with NETA or MG, it's the battery tech that CATL (13 yrs) & BYD (29 yrs) have perfected and continue to improve over the last couple decades.   

 

Instead of pushing dinosaur technology for added profits.

 

source

Edited August 10 by KhunLA

[CallumWK]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

My Vios is coming up to 20 yo, still going strong. Do you think a NETA V

( and more significantly, its battery ) can say the same in 20 years?

 

I read in another of their threads that BYD now gives lifetime warranty, you sure can't beat that.

 

But then in another thread I read they can't even get them to honour the free charging they are offered

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

What will a NETA V be worth in ten years?

 

My Vios is coming up to 20 yo, still going strong. Do you think a NETA V

( and more significantly, its battery ) can say the same in 20 years?

 

IMO you missed the point of my post, which no longer surprises me.

Hard to predict what value will be in 10 years

Currently last remaining brand new  Neta V1 are being sold for B369K

2nd hand Neta V1 are being traded on Neta facebook page for B280+K

[mikebike]

Yes. I own a NETA V in the rural south and love it. It does everything I need a car to do.

 

Doubt it is for everyone, but, as they say, different strokes....

 

Resale is not an issue because I intend to use it until it's dead.

Edited August 10 by mikebike

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Hard to predict what value will be in 10 years

Currently last remaining brand new  Neta V1 are being sold for B369K

2nd hand Neta V1 are being traded on Neta facebook page for B280+K

I'm a hold them till it dies, or has little value, kind of vehicle owner.  Like to get my money's worth out of them.

 

In days past, USA, they died, or I killed them.  Didn't sell many cars of mine, and owned more than a few.  All bought 2nd with 1 exception.

 

Here/TH, all bought new, I sell them, when I lose trust in them, and by that time, 5-7 yrs, they're only worth pocket change.  Referring to my 2 Vios & 1 Mazda 2. 

 

Actually gave the M2 to the daughter, and she just sold it for 70k, and was happy to get that.  Less than 200k kms on it.  What a POS.

[ExpatOilWorker]

Most fire 🔥 prone EV in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

 

Thai EV fire 🔥 risk: 9.2 fire/billion miles

Tesla global: 5 fire/billion miles

ICE (USA): 55 fire/billion miles

 

1. Tesla 3 - September 20th, 2021, power pole collision Rama 2, Bangkok.

 

2. BYD Atto 3 - January 21st, 2023, house fire, Songkran. Traction battery did not burn.

 

3. BYD Seal - March 14th, 2024, Ratchaburi roll-over.

 

4. Porsche Taycan - May 24th, 2024, battery explosion, Paradise Car Showroom, Bangkok.

 

5. Neta-V - June 11th, 2024, median accident and fire, Saraburi.

 

6. Neta-V - June 12th, 2024, accident and fire at towing area, Tha Phra, Khon Kaen.

 

7. MG ES - June 22nd, 2024, hit axle part on the road, Chonburi motorway.