US Capitol Police chief rips into Tucker Carlson over ‘offensive’ use of January 6 footage

[Hanaguma]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don’t misunderstand me, I think far more have them should have been gun-downed as they crossed the threshold.

 

 

 

Not sure I agree with shooting, but yeah the police should have been more 'aggressive' in defending the building and ground.  Would have been nice to see a few heads cracked with truncheons.

[johnnybangkok]

52 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm referring to the building itself. They never should have been able to breach the doors and windows with sticks. C'mon man.

I've heard of victim blaming before but this must be the first 'building blaming' I've seen.

 

The building itself isn't a castle or Fort Knox. If you get hundreds of determined people wanting to enter a building, they will. The mob brushed aside barriers put up by the woefully unprepared Capitol police, broke through windows (because well they're only windows) and once inside kicked the doors down (much easier to do from the inside than the outside).

 

The Capitol is both a work place and a place visited by tourists all the time so it has to be practical as well as secure. The building itself is also a National History Landmark (equivalent to being a listed building) so external alterations are limited. Saying that, they are doing improvements to prevent another attack.    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/us-capitol-police-overhaul-security-protocols-january-6-attack/65-aad1d57a-1018-4bb7-80e4-2c47c1a4af41

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I've heard of victim blaming before but this must be the first 'building blaming' I've seen.

 

The building itself isn't a castle or Fort Knox. If you get hundreds of determined people wanting to enter a building, they will. The mob brushed aside barriers put up by the woefully unprepared Capitol police, broke through windows (because well they're only windows) and once inside kicked the doors down (much easier to do from the inside than the outside).

 

The Capitol is both a work place and a place visited by tourists all the time so it has to be practical as well as secure. The building itself is also a National History Landmark (equivalent to being a listed building) so external alterations are limited. Saying that, they are doing improvements to prevent another attack.    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/us-capitol-police-overhaul-security-protocols-january-6-attack/65-aad1d57a-1018-4bb7-80e4-2c47c1a4af41

 

 

I've heard of victim blaming before but this must be the first 'building blaming' I've seen. 

 

Now that is just silly. But to be expected.

 

Steel bars covering windows is not a bad idea now is it.

 

Again, the Capitol police allowing this to happen is more of a story than TC showing a video that doesn't follow the storyline of investigations committee.

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17 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I've heard of victim blaming before but this must be the first 'building blaming' I've seen. 

 

Now that is just silly. But to be expected.

 

Steel bars covering windows is not a bad idea now is it.

 

Again, the Capitol police allowing this to happen is more of a story than TC showing a video that doesn't follow the storyline of investigations committee.

What exactly in Carlson's version contradicts what the investigation committee reported?

[johnnybangkok]

30 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I've heard of victim blaming before but this must be the first 'building blaming' I've seen. 

 

Now that is just silly. But to be expected.

 

Steel bars covering windows is not a bad idea now is it.

 

Again, the Capitol police allowing this to happen is more of a story than TC showing a video that doesn't follow the storyline of investigations committee.

What part of being a listed building don't you understand? The building has to have a certain aesthetic which 'Steel bars covering windows' would not lend itself to.

 

Also, why are you going on about the security of the building (my tongue in cheek 'building blaming' comment)? The blame rests solely with the mob who broke into the building.   

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm referring to the building itself. They never should have been able to breach the doors and windows with sticks. C'mon man.

Only more guns could have stopped them. Other than the insurrectionist Trump of course. 

[EVENKEEL]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

What part of being a listed building don't you understand? The building has to have a certain aesthetic which 'Steel bars covering windows' would not lend itself to.

 

Also, why are you going on about the security of the building (my tongue in cheek 'building blaming' comment)? The blame rests solely with the mob who broke into the building.   

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/

 

The majority of the Capitol’s 658 single-pane windows were quietly upgraded during a 2017-19 renovation of the historic building. The original wooden frames and glass were covered with a second metal frame containing bomb-resistant glass.

 

2 windows weren't upgraded and the rioters used those to enter. So you see it's entirely possible to prevent rioters from entering. Someone should be held accountable for not securing the Capitol properly.

Edited March 12, 2023 by metisdead
Odd formatting reset to normal.

[ChaiyaTH]

On 3/8/2023 at 6:25 AM, Credo said:

Of course, you fail to mention that the moment they crossed the barriers, they had broken the law.  They broke the law.  Funny how you thought those rioters and looters from the BLM and George Floyd protests were criminals, but these insurrectionists aren't.  

You also chose to believe Tucker Carlson, although he's a proven, admitted liar.  Remember his remarks about election fraud?  You probably believe that as well.  

I guess you have not read 1 paper of the Twitter files, did you? There is a lot more going on, including the election fraud, this is not the end of that conversation yet at all. Not to mean much more and worse things done during Trump his presidency, and not by Trump.

 

Always the same with sheeple, they do not even remember what they complained about for years while Trump was a president, while those same things now continued worse.

 

Or like with covid, sure many of the users here still would like another booster shot.

Edited March 12, 2023 by ChaiyaTH

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/

 

The majority of the Capitol’s 658 single-pane windows were quietly upgraded during a 2017-19 renovation of the historic building. The original wooden frames and glass were covered with a second metal frame containing bomb-resistant glass.

 

2 windows weren't upgraded and the rioters used those to enter. So you see it's entirely possible to prevent rioters from entering. Someone should be held accountable for not securing the Capitol properly.

I'm at fault if burglars mange to break into my house? 

[Hawaiian]

7 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

I guess you have not read 1 paper of the Twitter files, did you? There is a lot more going on, including the election fraud, this is not the end of that conversation yet at all. Not to mean much more and worse things done during Trump his presidency, and not by Trump.

 

Always the same with sheeple, they do not even remember what they complained about for years while Trump was a president, while those same things now continued worse.

 

Or like with covid, sure many of the users here still would like another booster shot.

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"sure many of the users here still would like another booster shot."  That includes me.  I had 3 Pfizer shots plus the bi-valent and will go for another booster if and when available. 

 

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'm at fault if burglars mange to break into my house? 

If a Police Force's sole job is to protect your house and it gets broken into, then blame would fall on them.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

If a Police Force's sole job is to protect your house and it gets broken into, then blame would fall on them.

so, never the burglars, huh?

[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

I guess you have not read 1 paper of the Twitter files, did you? There is a lot more going on, including the election fraud, this is not the end of that conversation yet at all. Not to mean much more and worse things done during Trump his presidency, and not by Trump.

 

Always the same with sheeple, they do not even remember what they complained about for years while Trump was a president, while those same things now continued worse.

 

Or like with covid, sure many of the users here still would like another booster shot.

I don't know why you brought up the Twitter files, but since I suspect it is an attempted deflection I won't ask.

 

I remember my first reason for opposing Trump which predates his election:  He has never been in any way qualified to have access to the nuclear codes.  I have many other reasons, but that has always been my number one reason.

 

Yes, I'm vaxxed and boosted to the hilt and intend to remain so.  I also don't recall having Covid or any other illness of any note for over ten years.

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

so, never the burglars, huh?

The burglar with the horns is serving time, don't you know.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

The burglar with the horns is serving time, don't you know.

His mentor is not.  But that wasn't the nub of your argument. 

Edited March 12, 2023 by ozimoron

[johnnybangkok]

29 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

I guess you have not read 1 paper of the Twitter files, did you? There is a lot more going on, including the election fraud, this is not the end of that conversation yet at all. Not to mean much more and worse things done during Trump his presidency, and not by Trump.

 

Always the same with sheeple, they do not even remember what they complained about for years while Trump was a president, while those same things now continued worse.

 

Or like with covid, sure many of the users here still would like another booster shot.

Maga checklist:-

 

1. Election fraud - check!

2. Unsubstantiated conspiracy theories - check!

3. Covid nonsense - check!

4. Call people who don't agree with you 'sheeple' - check!

 

 

[Hawaiian]

47 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I don't know why you brought up the Twitter files, but since I suspect it is an attempted deflection I won't ask.

 

I remember my first reason for opposing Trump which predates his election:  He has never been in any way qualified to have access to the nuclear codes.  I have many other reasons, but that has always been my number one reason.

 

Yes, I'm vaxxed and boosted to the hilt and intend to remain so.  I also don't recall having Covid or any other illness of any note for over ten years.

" Trump.......He has never been in any way qualified to have access to the nuclear codes."   Over the years there has been much discussion about access.  So far only talk.

https://www.westernjournal.com/dozens-house-democrats-request-biden-hand-nuclear-codes/

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

" Trump.......He has never been in any way qualified to have access to the nuclear codes."   Over the years there has been much discussion about access.  So far only talk.

https://www.westernjournal.com/dozens-house-democrats-request-biden-hand-nuclear-codes/

The nuclear codes should be entirely in the hands of the military and they should be free of any political appointees. 

[Hawaiian]

20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The nuclear codes should be entirely in the hands of the military and they should be free of any political appointees. 

Easier said than done.  Everyone is politically connected one way or another.    

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Hawaiian
correct spelling

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

" Trump.......He has never been in any way qualified to have access to the nuclear codes."   Over the years there has been much discussion about access.  So far only talk.

https://www.westernjournal.com/dozens-house-democrats-request-biden-hand-nuclear-codes/

That in no way refutes anything I posted.

[Hawaiian]

44 minutes ago, heybruce said:

That in no way refutes anything I posted.

I did not attempt to refute anything you posted.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion and what you posted is your opinion.   The only requirement is to be elected President of the U.S. who is also the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

[johnnybangkok]

14 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I did not attempt to refute anything you posted.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion and what you posted is your opinion.   The only requirement is to be elected President of the U.S. who is also the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

And it certainly sounds like the sensible thing to do when you consider Trump tweeted (because that's what Presidents do by all accounts):-

 

"Will someone from [Jong Un's] depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!" in response to Kim Jong talked about a nuclear button being "always on my desk." Or to Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE," 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-threatened-military-force-2018-12#2-in-another-tweet-trump-warned-president-putin-russia-and-iran-are-responsible-for-backing-animal-assad-big-price-to-pay-2

 

Thanks for posting the original article. For some reason I thought it was more complicated than that for any POTUS to launch the apocalypse but now I know.

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/

 

The majority of the Capitol’s 658 single-pane windows were quietly upgraded during a 2017-19 renovation of the historic building. The original wooden frames and glass were covered with a second metal frame containing bomb-resistant glass.

 

2 windows weren't upgraded and the rioters used those to enter. So you see it's entirely possible to prevent rioters from entering. Someone should be held accountable for not securing the Capitol properly.

First of all I'm pleased my comments meant you had to go look for facts. Facts are good. Facts are helpful. You should try it more often. 

 

Now we have established how they got in (and yes hang the 'someone' from the nearest tree if it really matters that much to you), can we now perhaps get back to the topic of the thread i.e. the cherry picking of Tucker Carlson in trying to defend a bunch of Trump loving, MAGA hat wearing, armed to the teeth 'patriots' who attemted a coup on the basis of what is now a well documented lie?     

[Phoenix Rising]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/

 

The majority of the Capitol’s 658 single-pane windows were quietly upgraded during a 2017-19 renovation of the historic building. The original wooden frames and glass were covered with a second metal frame containing bomb-resistant glass.

 

2 windows weren't upgraded and the rioters used those to enter. So you see it's entirely possible to prevent rioters from entering. Someone should be held accountable for not securing the Capitol properly.

Yes, let's blame the "building reps" and not the treasonous insurrectionists!????

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Maga checklist:-

 

1. Election fraud - check!

2. Unsubstantiated conspiracy theories - check!

3. Covid nonsense - check!

4. Call people who don't agree with you 'sheeple' - check!

 

 

5. The poster coming across as a total sheeple - check!

[mikebike]

On 3/9/2023 at 1:03 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

They released a tiny selection of footage that portrayed Chansley as a wild and out of control MAGA insurrectionist. Footage Carlson released shows definitively he was at one stage behaving politely and peacefully... 

Do realize how strange this sounds? Every single person, in every single country in the world, incarcerated for any crime has "at one stage behaved politely and peacefully". What does that prove? Didley. The point of an investigation is to determine in there was a crime, not to determine if there was politeness. 

[johnnybangkok]

6 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

5. The poster coming across as a total sheeple - check!

Oh that's a good idea. Let's start a MAGA checklist. I'll go next:-

 

6. Mention at least twice in your thread that the MSM isn't to be trusted and only you know the real truth. - check!

[mikebike]

On 3/9/2023 at 3:43 PM, nauseus said:

He might do. His lawyer was on the TC show last night and claimed that none of this "peaceful" footage was offered to him before the trial.  

Hmmm. Has he filed an appeal with the courts? Otherwise just another bloviating attorney 

[mikebike]

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Steel bars covering windows is not a bad idea now is it.

Yes, it very much is. The Capitol building is, theoretically, the greatest shrine to democracy in the world - the people's building. Barring the windows and defending it like a fort would be quite the statement about the state of US democracy. 

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Yes, it very much is. The Capitol building is, theoretically, the greatest shrine to democracy in the world - the people's building. Barring the windows and defending it like a fort would be quite the statement about the state of US democracy. 

Follow along where I gave a link to the safety windows installed except for the windows the rioters chose. 

 

I find it unbelievable that the most important building in the USA shouldn't be properly protected.