Fox News settles Dominion defamation case for $787.5m

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The Dominion saga exposed Fox for the propaganda outlet it's always been, but accountability cannot end with the settlement

...

"The trial presented a rare moment of accountability for Fox -- and perhaps the greatest threat to the network since its founding. Fox has steadily amassed power and profit over the last several decades, using virulent rhetoric, unhinged commentary, and baldfaced fabrications to create a media juggernaut with expansive influence over the conservative movement, the Republican Party, and the United States at large.

...

But even without the trial, the network has been completely exposed for what critics like Media Matters have long shown that it is: a shameless Republican propaganda organ that prioritizes profit and politics over anything resembling journalistic ethics."

 

https://www.mediamatters.org/foxdominion-lawsuit/dominion-saga-exposed-fox-propaganda-outlet-its-always-been-accountability

 

Well and aptly said.

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

3. Fox saying little about the unprecedented massive Dominion settlement

I check on their website. Nothing on the front page. I had to use the search function to find a small uninformative 15 lines article. It doesn't even mention the amount paid. ????

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-media-dominion-voting-systems-reach-agreement-over-defamation-lawsuit

[tgw]

11 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

"We acknowledge the Court's rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false," the network said in a statement. "This settlement reflects FOX's continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.

 

and they should be fined again for that statement.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, candide said:

I check on their website. Nothing on the front page. I had to use the search function to find a small uninformative 15 lines article. It doesn't even mention the amount paid. ????

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-media-dominion-voting-systems-reach-agreement-over-defamation-lawsuit

Hey, it's ONLY $787.5 million out of Rupurt's Fox corporate pocket.... One of the article's I read today on the subject said Fox Corp. had (prior to the Dominion settlement) about $4 billion in cash on hand.

 

Hopefully the upcoming parallel Smartmatic defamation case will further lighten Fox and Rupurt's cash load.

Fox News braces for more turbulence as second defamation lawsuit advances

New York court greenlights $2.7bn suit against news channel by election company Smartmatic over 2020 presidential election lies

 

"Last week [back in March] the New York state supreme court in Manhattan gave the green light for the case to proceed against Fox News, the Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo, the former business anchor Lou Dobbs and Trump’s former lawyer Rudy Giuliani."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/13/smartmatic-defamation-lawsuit-against-fox-news

 

I loved this added reference in the article:

 

"Smartmatic, a global election technology company headquartered in London, lodged its defamation suit in February 2021. “The Earth is round,” was the complaint’s striking opening sentence. “Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election … ”

 

 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Tug]

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

For telling lies? I wonder which media news will be next? So many news media to chose from including the fake news media.

Perhaps we’re you are from it’s normal to spew propaganda without any relation to the truth we here in America are trying to prevent that.I t still galls me that they don’t have to publicly admit their role in the attempted destruction of American democracy many of the foolish people who believed their bs are serving prison time behind the lie they backed up ( please keep in mind they thought they were saving the country)because of greedy (insert appropriate word here)Fox News and others promoting the big lie for profit.meanwhile old Donnie just released a new batch of NFTS just beggers belief 

[billd766]

32 minutes ago, candide said:

I check on their website. Nothing on the front page. I had to use the search function to find a small uninformative 15 lines article. It doesn't even mention the amount paid. ????

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-media-dominion-voting-systems-reach-agreement-over-defamation-lawsuit

I am surprised that they even mentioned that much.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Hey, it's ONLY $787.5 million out of Rupurt's Fox corporate pocket.... One of the article's I read today on the subject said Fox Corp. had (prior to the Dominion settlement) about $4 billion in cash on hand.

 

Hopefully the upcoming parallel Smartmatic defamation case will further lighten Fox and Rupurt's cash load.

Fox News braces for more turbulence as second defamation lawsuit advances

New York court greenlights $2.7bn suit against news channel by election company Smartmatic over 2020 presidential election lies

 

"Last week [back in March] the New York state supreme court in Manhattan gave the green light for the case to proceed against Fox News, the Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo, the former business anchor Lou Dobbs and Trump’s former lawyer Rudy Giuliani."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/13/smartmatic-defamation-lawsuit-against-fox-news

 

I loved this added reference in the article:

 

"Smartmatic, a global election technology company headquartered in London, lodged its defamation suit in February 2021. “The Earth is round,” was the complaint’s striking opening sentence. “Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election … ”

 

 

 

 

Smartmatic now has a measure of Fox's mettle and Dominion's playbook.

 

They will not fold and settle early as they know Fox is terrified of: 

 

"seeing Murdoch, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and several of their colleagues grilled on the stand, forced to reckon with the real world, unable to fall back on the dense lattice of misinformation that typically sustains Fox’s narratives".

 

Opinion | Why Fox News Had to Settle With Dominion - The New York Times (archive.md)

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by LosLobo

[mushroomdave]

I think the offices at Smartmatic were celebrating more than anyone else!!!     555555555  ????????????

[candide]

Trump remains silent on Fox’s Dominion lawsuit settlement ????

Mr Trump previously called on Fox to continue lying about the 2020 election

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fox-news-dominion-settlement-b2322725.html

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

There are rumors that Fox may jettison some of their lead personalities to rejuvenate their image. They didn’t hesitated to cancel Lou Dobb’s show soon after Smartmatic sued Fox. Maybe just maybe business may not be usual after this massive payoff and damage to their image. Will like to see Tucker Carlson gone for good. 

Getting rid of Tucker Carlson? 

Two things are guaranteed after a nuclear apocalypse: cockroaches will be the predominant surviving species, and Tucker Carlson will pop up on cable TV somewhere claiming that it is all a fabrication by the communist lefties...

[herfiehandbag]

This Murdoch fellow ( is he Australian, British or American this week) is pushing 92. Although he seems quite fit, he can't go on forever! Who "takes over" the empire?

 

Apropos of nothing, he did pull off one spectacular stunt in persuading Anthony Lyndon Blair to appear "robed in white" at the baptism of his ( Murdoch) children in the Jordan River, where Jesus Christ was baptised. It was a bit presumptuous perhaps when Murdoch chose that spot, and Blair (robed in white!) did have the grace to look a bit embarrassed. The photos were hilarious!

 

That was back when Murdoch was married to the ferocious and energetic Wendi Deng. I remember wondering at the time, she might finish him off - a bit like Peter Sellers having his first heart attack shortly after marrying Britt Eckland, bit off more than he could screw!

 

Anyway, enough musing - what will happen to the Murdoch empire when he does die? There are several children, I bet they will fight like ferrets in a sack!

[pedro01]

787.5 million.

 

That's some tough negotiator there. I can imagine them getting to 787 million and still being squeezed for another 500k.

 

All I can say though is "ouch" - that's a hell of a payout. It's the largest media payout ever. Still - I think insurance will cover some of it. But ouch. 

 

Heads should roll - it will be amazing if they don't.  

[Emster23]

Even more to come: besides the Smartmatic law suit, let's pop some popcorn for suits against board of directors for not nipping this sort of major lying in the bud. Board includes former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.

And if any morons still go on about election being "stolen" just remind them that Fox didn't pay all that money just because they were "reporting the facts and letting you decide"

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, pedro01 said:

787.5 million.

- I think insurance will cover some of it. But ouch. 

 

Sure, insurance will pay the damage one creates when telling lies. Do you really think so? 

[Hanaguma]

So far, the loudest voices are the cries of agony at MSNBC and other leftie media outlets. They won't be able to milk this story for the next several weeks/months.  Brian Stelter and his ilk are crying into their superhero pillows. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

Getting rid of Tucker Carlson? 

Two things are guaranteed after a nuclear apocalypse: cockroaches will be the predominant surviving species, and Tucker Carlson will pop up on cable TV somewhere claiming that it is all a fabrication by the communist lefties...

As the standard bearer and chief moneymaker of the Fox brand, will be a very difficult decision for Fox to cancel his show like they did with Lou Dobb. But should Fox relent from the massive financial pressure from lawsuits and pulling out of advertisers, Carlson really has not many place to go to spew falsehood with impunity to a large captive audience and get paid well. Perhaps into politics and join other Maga cockroaches. 

 

[FritsSikkink]

22 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

So far, the loudest voices are the cries of agony at MSNBC and other leftie media outlets. They won't be able to milk this story for the next several weeks/months.  Brian Stelter and his ilk are crying into their superhero pillows. 

No need to milk this story about a bunch of liars as there are more stories coming up and more penalties to pay for FOX. Then Trump will make sure they have enough to write about his many lawsuits too. Far right is going down big time or Bigly like the uneducated would say.

Edited April 20, 2023 by FritsSikkink

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

2 hours ago, pedro01 said:

787.5 million.

 

That's some tough negotiator there. I can imagine them getting to 787 million and still being squeezed for another 500k.

 

All I can say though is "ouch" - that's a hell of a payout. It's the largest media payout ever. Still - I think insurance will cover some of it. But ouch. 

 

Heads should roll - it will be amazing if they don't.  

Insurance might not cover instances where it can be proved that the speaker knew that the defamatory statements were false, yet stated them with malice or disregard for the facts anyway. In other words, knowingly wrongful acts are often excluded.

 

This may be one of the reasons why Fox was so careful with their non-apology apology and why they wanted to avoid a court case proving this.  

Edited April 20, 2023 by Etaoin Shrdlu

[Celsius]

Fox Mulder to the rescue ????

[onthedarkside]

Off topic post that should have been in one of the Clarence Thomas threads has been reported and removed

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Insurance might not cover instances where it can be proved that the speaker knew that the defamatory statements were false, yet stated them with malice or disregard for the facts anyway. In other words, knowingly wrongful acts are often excluded.

 

This may be one of the reasons why Fox was so careful with their non-apology apology and why they wanted to avoid a court case proving this.  

Insurance may cover them - I don't know, doubt it, but if it does you can expect some eye watering premiums plus draconian insurance company oversight of any editorial decisions!

[herfiehandbag]

8 hours ago, pedro01 said:

787.5 million.

 

That's some tough negotiator there. I can imagine them getting to 787 million and still being squeezed for another 500k.

 

All I can say though is "ouch" - that's a hell of a payout. It's the largest media payout ever. Still - I think insurance will cover some of it. But ouch. 

 

Heads should roll - it will be amazing if they don't.  

Straight 50% of the original amount claimed?

 

[Tug]

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So far, the loudest voices are the cries of agony at MSNBC and other leftie media outlets. They won't be able to milk this story for the next several weeks/months.  Brian Stelter and his ilk are crying into their superhero pillows. 

You are mistaken what has folks livid is fake news Fox isn't publicity apologizing for trying to destroy our democracy for money they are not a news organization they are more like a conspiracy bs drama show hopefully the next batch of lawsuits will rectify this issue and strip them bare so even the rite wing rubes will be forced to see what they are backing 

[herfiehandbag]

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So far, the loudest voices are the cries of agony at MSNBC and other leftie media outlets. They won't be able to milk this story for the next several weeks/months.  Brian Stelter and his ilk are crying into their superhero pillows. 

I watch MSNBC (YouTube highlights) and whilst I am acutely conscious of an underlying political bias; the quality of research and factual presentation by for example Rachel Maddow, the interviews by Alex Wagner (although she does sometimes come over as having a schoolgirl crush on her interviewee), the lovely Katie Phang and the analysis by Ari Melber are streets ahead of anything from Fox.

[SunnyinBangrak]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

You are mistaken what has folks livid is fake news Fox isn't publicity apologizing for trying to destroy our democracy for money they are not a news organization they are more like a conspiracy bs drama show hopefully the next batch of lawsuits will rectify this issue and strip them bare so even the rite wing rubes will be forced to see what they are backing 

hmmmm. really? I am wondering if " what has folks livid is fake fox news" is STILL trusted way more than all the laptop denier collusion hoaxer media. That must really hurt.

 

"Fox News Channel remains not just the most trusted among cable news networks but all of television news, and by a convincing plurality, despite scandals like the massive Dominion lawsuit against the ratings giant.

Fox News is the top on TV in the most recent YouGov data on news sources, with 41% saying that it is the channel they “most trust for news.” The network, which boasts the biggest audience in all of cable news, has long been found to be “most trusted” by pollsters.

That is close to double each of the second and third most trusted, ABC and CNN, which came in at 24% and 22% respectively, and more than twice that of MSNBC, at 18%."

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-most-trusted-and-most-watched-even-after-dominion-revelations-latest-poll-shows/

 

 3 years of ridiculous defamatory false claims and banning factual rebuttal has consequences it seems.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

hmmmm. really? I am wondering if " what has folks livid is fake fox news" is STILL trusted way more than all the laptop denier collusion hoaxer media. That must really hurt.

 

"Fox News Channel remains not just the most trusted among cable news networks but all of television news, and by a convincing plurality, despite scandals like the massive Dominion lawsuit against the ratings giant.

Fox News is the top on TV in the most recent YouGov data on news sources, with 41% saying that it is the channel they “most trust for news.” The network, which boasts the biggest audience in all of cable news, has long been found to be “most trusted” by pollsters.

That is close to double each of the second and third most trusted, ABC and CNN, which came in at 24% and 22% respectively, and more than twice that of MSNBC, at 18%."

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-most-trusted-and-most-watched-even-after-dominion-revelations-latest-poll-shows/

 

 3 years of ridiculous defamatory false claims and banning factual rebuttal has consequences it seems.

This is unverified. Nobody has seen or had access to all the questions from YouGov. Yet the description gives some basic clues that dishonesty and deception is still rife with Fox news and their statements that are then carried by other outlets.

 

A mere look at the chart should give one pause. You’ll note that the numbers displayed add up to 148 percent

 

You can’t make this stuff up. Read the fine print…

Q1: which news sources do you follow

Q2: *of those sources* which do you trust most…

So all this actually shows is that Fox News viewers live in an information bubble.

 

Fox News claims to be the ‘most trusted.’ Is it?

More aptly, Fox is the outlet that the most people cite as being among their most trusted outlets. But on the whole, Americans have trusted it less than they trust plenty of others.

But a mere look at the chart should give one pause. You’ll note that the numbers displayed add up to 148 percent. So this isn’t strictly about which one outlet is “most trusted.”

The description of the data in the ad, in fact, shows that the pollster asked about media outlets people watch and then “which do you most trust for news? Check as many as apply.” So 41 is the percentage of people who cited Fox as being among however many outlets they cited as being their most trusted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/17/fox-news-most-trusted-ad-poll/

 

Fox News Mocked For Ad Claiming It's The 'Most Trusted' TV News Network

Fox News apparently decided to make a statement on the eve of its defamation suit with Dominion Voting Systems ― and it went to The New York Times to do it.

On Monday, the network paid for a full-page ad in the paper declaring itself the most trusted TV network in news, citing stats based on a recent YouGov poll.

HuffPost has reached out to YouGov for a full copy of the poll data, but in the meantime, it’s worth noting that evidence shows many of the network’s hosts and executives promoted false theories about supposed election fraud that they themselves did not believe ― so perhaps not all of that viewer trust is necessarily warranted.

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-mocked-ad-claiming-175655544.html

[Eric Loh]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Fox News is the top on TV in the most recent YouGov data on news sources, with 41% saying that it is the channel they “most trust for news.” The network, which boasts the biggest audience in all of cable news, has long been found to be “most trusted” by pollsters.

Sure they do with the usual deceit by keeping the news away from their viewers. 

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

hmmmm. really? I am wondering if " what has folks livid is fake fox news" is STILL trusted way more than all the laptop denier collusion hoaxer media. That must really hurt.

 

"Fox News Channel remains not just the most trusted among cable news networks but all of television news, and by a convincing plurality, despite scandals like the massive Dominion lawsuit against the ratings giant.

Fox News is the top on TV in the most recent YouGov data on news sources, with 41% saying that it is the channel they “most trust for news.” The network, which boasts the biggest audience in all of cable news, has long been found to be “most trusted” by pollsters.

That is close to double each of the second and third most trusted, ABC and CNN, which came in at 24% and 22% respectively, and more than twice that of MSNBC, at 18%."

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-most-trusted-and-most-watched-even-after-dominion-revelations-latest-poll-shows/

 

 3 years of ridiculous defamatory false claims and banning factual rebuttal has consequences it seems.

Proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

[Dave0206]

I think I like most readers on this platform are not youngsters most of us remember when news was at 6pm and 10pm now your "news is 24hrs" given to you as you want red or blue factual or complete bs you can choose. 

Unfortunately as seen largest purveyors of the " trusted news" is faux news unfortunately for fox they know there audience and scared of losing them to news max ( luckily they still have to face there day in court) along with Alex jones ect so much money in peddling s*it

[Tug]

12 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

hmmmm. really? I am wondering if " what has folks livid is fake fox news" is STILL trusted way more than all the laptop denier collusion hoaxer media. That must really hurt.

 

"Fox News Channel remains not just the most trusted among cable news networks but all of television news, and by a convincing plurality, despite scandals like the massive Dominion lawsuit against the ratings giant.

Fox News is the top on TV in the most recent YouGov data on news sources, with 41% saying that it is the channel they “most trust for news.” The network, which boasts the biggest audience in all of cable news, has long been found to be “most trusted” by pollsters.

That is close to double each of the second and third most trusted, ABC and CNN, which came in at 24% and 22% respectively, and more than twice that of MSNBC, at 18%."

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-most-trusted-and-most-watched-even-after-dominion-revelations-latest-poll-shows/

 

 3 years of ridiculous defamatory false claims and banning factual rebuttal has consequences it seems.

In my opinion the reason many still trust fake Fox News is #1 they cover up their settlements for willfully lying to their viewers #2 the few viewers that are aware are embarrassed #3 confirmation bias#4 older folks are set in their ways(more susceptible to confirmation bias)#5 tribalism#6 many are just dumb.this in my opinion goes beyond different viewpoints on policy ideas and directions it is a pernicious dangerous thing and must be crushed