Netflix Sued for Depicting Cleopatra as Black

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, proton said:

I never suggested you did, but you did suggest it was very possible early Pharaoh's were black, there is no evidence to show that is true

or false

[proton]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

or false

DNA tests have proved over and over the claim is false

[stoner]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Her quote explicitly said that. She did not make the claim that Cleopatra was black or even imply it.

ok so no quote specifically stating that the actress was hired for that exact reason. only something she said they said she said ..... kind of thing right.

 

you also provide no link stating that the company making the movie hired the actress for the specific reason you mention. 

 

i said nothing about anyone saying anything about anyone being black.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, proton said:

DNA tests have proved over and over the claim is false

Link please

[transam]

Netflix spending more money on their money making.........stirring....

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

ok so no quote specifically stating that the actress was hired for that exact reason. only something she said they said she said ..... kind of thing right.

 

you also provide no link stating that the company making the movie hired the actress for the specific reason you mention. 

 

i said nothing about anyone saying anything about anyone being black.

I never made any claim that the she was casted for any specific reason. I countered the claim that a white woman should have been hired because Cleopatra was presumably white.

[2009]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Because her race is completely irrelevant to her life, so much so that her actual race is the subject of speculation. Are you suggesting that black actors should be confined to roles portraying known black people and white actors should be confined to portraying white people?

 

Pandering to the black community? You have an unhealthy preoccupation with race issues.

Of course, her race is relevant to her life.  She was a ruler of Egypt. And she was of Greek heritage.

 

Heritage matters when you are the ruler of a country, in case you didn't know.

 

Just like Queen Charlotte wasn't black, yet Netflix cast her as black.

 

Would we be having this conversation if an emperor of China was depicted as caucasian?

 

It isn't racist to say that it's dumb to cast the Queen of England as black, when she obviously wasn't.

 

You can't play the racist card all the time.

[proton]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Link please

As expected, why don't you look something up for yourself for a change and stop expecting posters to do it for you.

[chalawaan]

Egypt is apparently in Africa, the arcane science of DNA confirms we all began in Africa. 

 

And if the times constantly a'changing produce profitable movies with black actors playing English Shakespearean nobility....

 

Then this rent-seeking nationalist better have enough savings to pay Netflix court costs.  

 

The DNA link supplied by Proton clearly proves modern Egyptians are just Arab invaders. 

Edited April 23, 2023 by chalawaan

[proton]

Here you go then

 

The first ever full-genome analysis of Ancient Egyptians shows they were more European than African.

 

https://www.eutimes.net/2018/01/new-dna-study-finds-ancient-egyptians-were-european-whites-not-black-africans/

Edited April 23, 2023 by proton

[2009]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

As expected, why don't you look something up for yourself for a change and stop expecting posters to do it for you.

Exactly ????

 

"Link please" and "Off topic" are his two favorite lines.

[chalawaan]

13 minutes ago, proton said:

DNA tests have proved over and over the claim is false

Scholars reject the notion that Egypt was a white or black civilization; they maintain that applying modern notions of black or white races to ancient Egypt is anachronistic. In addition, scholars reject the notion, implicit in the notion of a black or white Egypt hypothesis, that Ancient Egypt was racially homogeneous; instead, skin color varied between the peoples of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt, and Nubia, who in various eras rose to power in Ancient Egypt. Within Egyptian history, despite multiple foreign invasions, the demographics were not shifted substantially by large migrations.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Exactly ????

 

"Link please" and "Off topic" are his two favorite lines.

That's what happens when factual claims are made without proof.

Make a claim, show the proof.

[2009]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Just another pathetic attempt to shoehorn blacks into a history which does not belong to them

Exactly, they are trying to win points with the black community and the woke community.

 

They probably figured they'd get more views that way too

[chalawaan]

17 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Considering that everyone, incl. Netflix, is vying to please Chinese viewers, he is lucky that they didn't give the role to an ethnic Chinese actress...

 

 

Overall, biracial adults who are both white and black say they have more in common with people who are black, and that is reflected in their relationships: They feel they are more accepted by blacks than by whites, have had more contact with their black relatives over the course of their lives, and are about three times as likely to say all or most of their friends are black than they are to say all or most of their friends are white. By contrast, biracial adults who are white and Asian tend to have stronger ties to whites than they do to Asians.

[Lee65]

I've been told "Black" is a social construct denoting African-Americans.  Is the filmmaker claiming Cleopatra was American?  But then why not.  Probably Jewish, too.

 

Anyway, we're all Africans at some level.  And if you don't agree you're racist.

 

 

[proton]

3 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

I've been told "Black" is a social construct denoting African-Americans.  Is the filmmaker claiming Cleopatra was American?  But then why not.  Probably Jewish, too.

 

Anyway, we're all Africans at some level.  And if you don't agree you're racist.

 

 

The blessed Guardian must be 'racist' then for pointing out mankind had various origins

 

No single birthplace of mankind, say scientists

Researchers say it is time to drop the idea that modern humans originated from a single population in a single location

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/11/no-single-birthplace-of-mankind-say-scientists

Edited April 23, 2023 by proton

[JackGats]

Other people, including historians who should know better, have distorted the truth about Cleopatra, portraying her as beautiful while she was anything but. Lookism has been much harder to overcome than racism.

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/2007/02/15/coin_shows_cleopatra_as_ugly.html

 

[Lee65]

Truth be told, down deep we're really all somewhat racist with our personal preferences among human breeds.

 

Life goes on ...  

[proton]

6 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Other people, including historians who should know better, have distorted the truth about Cleopatra, portraying her as beautiful while she was anything but. Lookism has been much harder to overcome than racism.

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/2007/02/15/coin_shows_cleopatra_as_ugly.html

 

But not depicted like she was on coins in busts and temples like Hathor's at Dendera. she was depicted in a masculine image on coins to give her more of an air of authority, men being the traditional rulers in that  era and certainly in Rome and Egypt. 

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, proton said:

The blessed Guardian must be 'racist' then for pointing out mankind had various origins

 

No single birthplace of mankind, say scientists

Researchers say it is time to drop the idea that modern humans originated from a single population in a single location

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/11/no-single-birthplace-of-mankind-say-scientists

Did you read your link? Still Africa.

 

"Instead, the international team argue, the distinctive features that make us human emerged mosaic-like across different populations spanning the entire African continent."

[riclag]

2 hours ago, 2009 said:

They should be sued as well for making Queen Charlotte black, lol

 

It's a joke, isn't it?

 

Let's see a white Nelson Mandela, lol.   

 

Or a Chinese Obama.

Good point! That would ruffle a few feathers me thinks!

Oh the irony! 
The film industry has been actively complaining for many years that

there isn’t enough of minorities in leading roles! Skin color is meaningless ! Can the women act!

[NoDisplayName]

18 hours ago, ozimoron said:

They're just racist. It's common in every country. Nothing to see here. It doesn't matter if she was black, white or brindle,

That's good to know.

 

I'll file that for future reference when Nick Cage is cast in a claimed historical documentary playing Nelson Mandela.

[crouchpeter]

20 hours ago, Lee65 said:

That actress doesn't look "Black".

 

Time to get out the Black-o-meter ... 

Is that the machine that records how many hours a day they sleep?

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, 2009 said:

Exactly ????

 

"Link please" and "Off topic" are his two favorite lines.

I at least am careful to always provide a link to any new claim which I consider might be even remotely contentious. It's called being respectful and wishing to debate in good faith. You might also respect that moddies are constantly removing off topic posts. (like yours and this reply).

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Good point! That would ruffle a few feathers me thinks!

Oh the irony! 
The film industry has been actively complaining for many years that

there isn’t enough of minorities in leading roles! Skin color is meaningless ! Can the women act!

Could you explain to me .

If skin colour is meaningless , then why do people complain that there are a lack of minorities in leading roles ?

   Aren't those contradictory opinions ?

Like, skin colour either matters or it doesn't 

Edited April 23, 2023 by Mac Mickmanus

[2009]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I at least am careful to always provide a link to any new claim which I consider might be even remotely contentious. It's called being respectful and wishing to debate in good faith. You might also respect that moddies are constantly removing off topic posts. (like yours and this reply).

I reckon you just try to flag people's comments to have them removed. (Like you are doing now).

 

You must get some kind of pleasure from it. Or maybe it's your strategy in a discussion.

 

I got a 9 day suspension for not posting a link recently while discussing something with you. Lol.

 

Well done ???? ????

[2009]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could you explain to me .

If skin colour is meaningless , then why do people complain that there a lack of minorities in leading roles ?

   Arent those contradictory opinions ?

Like, skin colour either matters or it doesn't 

Beautiful. ????

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could you explain to me .

If skin colour is meaningless , then why do people complain that there are a lack of minorities in leading roles ?

   Aren't those contradictory opinions ?

Like, skin colour either matters or it doesn't 

Exactly the point that the producer made when choosing a black actress to play the part. It's about equal opportunity because black actors have faced a history of discrimination.

 

You can't grasp that Cleopatra's race isn't pertinent to the choosing the actress' race and there was absolutely no reason not to choose a black actress and no reason to choose a white actress?

[Pink Mist]

A reported troll post and others have been removed. This topic is not about Obama, or Nicolas Cage.