Carlson’s Text That Alarmed Fox Leaders: ‘It’s Not How White Men Fight’

[onthedarkside]

 

A text message sent by Tucker Carlson that set off a panic at the highest levels of Fox on the eve of its billion-dollar defamation trial showed its most popular host sharing his private, inflammatory views about violence and race.

The discovery of the message contributed to a chain of events that ultimately led to Mr. Carlson’s firing.

In the message, sent to one of his producers in the hours after violent Trump supporters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, Mr. Carlson described how he had recently watched a video of a group of men — Trump supporters, he said — violently attacking “an Antifa kid.”

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/business/media/tucker-carlson-text-message-white-men.html

 

 

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[howlee101]

Ah, NY Times...such a credible source ????

[bamnutsak]

The "message", copied from the OP's linked article....

 

Tucker Carlson January 7, 2021 — 04:18:04 PM UTC
A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living <deleted> out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?

 

 

 

Is this what the right-wing nut jobs mean by "Virtue-signalling"?

 

Hard to believe this message was the straw. The "white men" thing is racist-y for sure, but hardly worth firing him for as he has probably said soemthing similar hundreds of times before.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, howlee101 said:

Ah, NY Times...such a credible source ????

The NY Times is the news reporter, the source is Carlson’s text messages.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

The "message", copied from the OP's linked article....

 

Tucker Carlson January 7, 2021 — 04:18:04 PM UTC
A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living <deleted> out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?

 

 

 

Is this what the right-wing nut jobs mean by "Virtue-signalling"?

 

Hard to believe this message was the straw. The "white men" thing is racist-y for sure, but hardly worth firing him for as he has probably said soemthing similar hundreds of times before.

 

 

 

FOX tells lies.

 

Why would anyone believe the reasons they give for firing their single biggest audience draw?

 

I don’t believe we’ve been told why Carlson was fired, I certainly don’t believe it was for making racist or offensive comments within internal communications.

 

There’s always a profit and loss calculation in business, the profit was Carlson’s audience draw, what was the loss?

 

It certainly wasn’t some text message that people will argue was or was not racist.

[Berkshire]

10 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

The "message", copied from the OP's linked article....

 

Tucker Carlson January 7, 2021 — 04:18:04 PM UTC
A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living <deleted> out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?

 

 

 

Is this what the right-wing nut jobs mean by "Virtue-signalling"?

 

Hard to believe this message was the straw. The "white men" thing is racist-y for sure, but hardly worth firing him for as he has probably said soemthing similar hundreds of times before.

 

 

 

Wow man, Tucker is one sick puppy.

[earlinclaifornia]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Wow man, Tucker is one sick puppy.

It sounds like he was trying to come to terms with the fact that he really is a horrible person, almost as if he were confiding in a therapist or something. This doesn't come as a surprise to me at all that he wanted the kid to die.

Edited May 3, 2023 by earlinclaifornia

[n00dle]

well done posting an article behind a paywall.

[onthedarkside]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

well done posting an article behind a paywall.

[n00dle]

1 minute ago, onthedarkside said:

Ta muchly

[Fat is a type of crazy]

2 hours ago, howlee101 said:

Ah, NY Times...such a credible source ????

So what are the credible ones ..Fox News? OAN? Newsmax? Some right wing youtuber? Tee Hee

[bamnutsak]

From the linked NYT article...

 

It remains unclear how the text escaped more notice earlier, given that the Fox legal team was aware of it and other offensive texts written by Mr. Carlson. Fox’s lawyers had produced the text as part of the discovery process and were involved in the redactions. Mr. Carlson had even been asked about it during a deposition, according to several people who have read the unredacted transcripts of his deposition.

 

 

Not sure why Fox's lawyers leaked this story to the NYT? And why now?

 

My guess is that it is cover established now to support other legal strategies in other Fox cases, like Smartmatic and Abby Grossberg, et al.

 

 

 

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

From the linked NYT article...

 

It remains unclear how the text escaped more notice earlier, given that the Fox legal team was aware of it and other offensive texts written by Mr. Carlson. Fox’s lawyers had produced the text as part of the discovery process and were involved in the redactions. Mr. Carlson had even been asked about it during a deposition, according to several people who have read the unredacted transcripts of his deposition.

 

 

Not sure why Fox's lawyers leaked this story to the NYT? And why now?

 

My guess is that it is cover established now to support other legal strategies in other Fox cases, like Smartmatic and Abby Grossberg, et al.

 

 

 

 

My guess is to establish probable cause for his termination.

[Tug]

Tucker knows nothing about fighting he been a coddled little rich kid all his life

[bendejo]

Should have been pistols at dawn?  Is that white enough?

 

To play devil's advocate here, if someone in this Thai forum said "that's not how white men fight" I would think it was a comment on Thai machismo only fighting when you have the other guy outnumbered (like the MAGA goons), as opposed to settling it 1-on-1.

 

 

[bamnutsak]

More texts get dropped

 

All the Texts Fox News Didn’t Want You to Read

 

In more urgent texts to Bret Baier, Carlson wrote ““I continue to think the company isn’t taking the [sic] seriously enough. We need to do something to reassure our core audience. They’re our whole business model.” Carlson floated various ideas, including interviewing Fox News Decision Desk Director Arnon Mishkin on his show, to “help calm our viewers down.”

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/all-the-texts-fox-news-didnt-want-you-to-read.html

[SunnyinBangrak]

These private text messages that have been released IMO show Tucker is a sincere person. I think we are all aware that his video he released after the firing has 80 MILLION views. ie the campaign to destroy Tucker has made him much stronger. I think the power and influence he wields in the runup to the 2024 election will be a determining factor - and probably the reason for so much of the democrat supporters hatred and fear for the man openly on display.

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

These private text messages that have been released IMO show Tucker is a sincere person. I think we are all aware that his video he released after the firing has 80 MILLION views. ie the campaign to destroy Tucker has made him much stronger. I think the power and influence he wields in the runup to the 2024 election will be a determining factor - and probably the reason for so much of the democrat supporters hatred and fear for the man openly on display.

He's a sincere person? He excoriated Trump in his private messages. Given what he said about Trump publicly, is that the mark of sincere person? Apparently, you believe that a sincere person can also be two-faced.

[Hanaguma]

Before we all start celebrating, you should know that Tucker has NOT been fired yet. His show was pulled off the air, but he is still an employee of Fox.  He and Fox are currently in negotiations as to the terms of his departure, that is why he can't just fire back at whatever allegations come up.   He has one year left in his contract with Fox, it is possible that Fox will just string him along for that year, keep paying his salary, and hope that the passing of time will hurt his chances to land another plum job somewhere else. 

 

As for bringing up skin colour the way he did, that is nothing. It is common for people of all backgrounds to do the same thing, especially to show either their pride or their disappointment in members of the  group they belong to. 

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

 

As for bringing up skin colour the way he did, that is nothing. It is common for people of all backgrounds to do the same thing, especially to show either their pride or their disappointment in members of the  group they belong to. 

‘bringing up skin color’.

 

As is overtly racist comments.

 

Well yes we all understand you think ‘that is nothing’.

 

 

[Hanaguma]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘bringing up skin color’.

 

As is overtly racist comments.

 

Well yes we all understand you think ‘that is nothing’.

 

 

How is it racist in any way? He was not maligning anyone, he was just showing his disgust at members of his OWN group.  Wishing they would do better.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

How is it racist in any way? He was not maligning anyone, he was just showing his disgust at members of his OWN group.  Wishing they would do better.

I understand it doesn’t register with you.

[bamnutsak]

Just to be very, very, very clear...

 

It is Fox which fired parted ways with Mr. Calrson.

 

It is Fox which is leaking these texts.

 

It is Fox which is releasing the embarrassing behind the scenes video, even though they have sent a cease & desist order.

 

You can find these by searching Fox Tucker Carlson leaked videos Media Matters. Hard-core fanbois should NOT watch these videos as you will twist yourselves into a pretzel "explaining" them, once you've reassembled your exploded head.

 

Fox is flexing to keep Mr. Carlson in line while a settlement is negotiated.

 

I have no doubt that his fans think he is sincere, once you've drunk the Kool-Aid you're hooked. I think he acts with sincerity, but his texts and words, off the air prove he is just acting.

 

The Abby Grossberg case will settle obviously, so we'll be deprived of Tucker's sincere depravity. I guess we'll just have to wait for his eventual melt-down resulting in the police having to be called to his home.

Edited May 6, 2023 by bamnutsak

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, bamnutsak said:

Just to be very, very, very clear...

 

It is Fox which fired parted ways with Mr. Calrson.

 

It is Fox which is leaking these texts.

 

It is Fox which is releasing the embarrassing behind the scenes video, even though they have sent a coverr cease & desist order.

 

You can find these by searching Fox Tucker Carlson leaked videos Media Matters. Hard-core fanbois should NOT watch these videos as you will twist yourselves into a pretzel "explaining" them, once you've reassembled your exploded head.

 

Fox is flexing to keep Mr. Carlson in line while a settlement is negotiated.

 

I have no doubt that his fans think he is sincere, once you've drunk the Kool-Aid you're hooked. I think he acts with sincerity, but his texts and words, off the air tell everyone prove he is just acting.

 

The Abby Grossberg case will settle obviously, so we'll be deprived of Tucker's sincere depravity. I gues we'll just have to wait for his eventual melt-down resulting in the police having to be called to his home.

I’m very mindful of the fact it is FOX (confessed liars) who are leaking these details.

 

I maintain my belief that FOX are lying about why they have pulled Carlson.

 

I look forward to hearing the real reason.

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1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

How is it racist in any way? He was not maligning anyone, he was just showing his disgust at members of his OWN group.  Wishing they would do better.

Wishing they could do better than who?

[Phoenix Rising]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

These private text messages that have been released IMO show Tucker is a sincere person.

I also think Carlson is sincere in his racism and bigotry. He is clearly a guiding light for the group that Hillary correctly named.

[ozimoron]

Fox are just trying to reinvent the reason he was fired. They already claimed it was because of Grossman.

[Hanaguma]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Wishing they could do better than who?

He has high standards for his own group. Is that a bad thing?  TBH it may be more of a generational thing.  No respect for a 'fair fight' like in the past.  People complain about it in Thailand all the time- the way Thai men all pile on when a fight breaks out.  No honorable single combat.  

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

He has high standards for his own group. Is that a bad thing?  TBH it may be more of a generational thing.  No respect for a 'fair fight' like in the past.  People complain about it in Thailand all the time- the way Thai men all pile on when a fight breaks out.  No honorable single combat.  

"His own group". Says a lot about your view of racism. For me, stating I'm caucasian is limited to medical questions at a doctor's office and nothing more.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

"His own group". Says a lot about your view of racism. For me, stating I'm caucasian is limited to medical questions at a doctor's office and nothing more.

Perhaps it does.  I would hope to feel the same as you, but these days it is hard to ignore how race gets injected into every possible nook and cranny of life. 

 

Yet imagine if a black man saw a group of blacks swarming and attacking someone, and he said, "hey, that's not how black men fight", would HE be racist too?  By expecting better behavior from his fellow African Americans?