Trump re-election not just possible, but likely.

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, 300sd said:

The US will never recover from what this administration has done!

As long as it fails to raise revenue by reversing the catastrophic Trump era tax cuts I fear you may be right.

[LaosLover]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

 

Not sure why you think the women are important. 

Trump's teeing up of the repeal of Roe V Wade will have women voting against the repubs in droves -which we've already seen. It's Trump's weakest link.

[jerrymahoney]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Yeah, Fox thinks Trump might win the election. Yawn.

 

There isn't any history of a failed president winning a second term after losing re-election the first time. .

The first Democrat elected after the Civil War in 1885, our 22nd and 24th President Grover Cleveland was the only President to leave the White House and return for a second term four years later (1885-1889 and 1893-1897).

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/grover-cleveland/

 

 He won the popular vote in three presidential elections—1884, 1888, and 1892—though Benjamin Harrison won the electoral college vote and thus the presidency in 1888. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland

Edited May 14, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[spidermike007]

It was likely an enormous miscalculation to allow Biden to run again. He is far too old, he is not a particularly good choice, he has not made a very good president, and youth is needed. Who could have run, I have no idea. But, not Joe. Not again. And not Trump. Please. The nation cannot afford 4 more years of that orange monster. 

 

America truly feels like it is moving backwards, and is a very, very broken nation. 

[animalmagic]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The President of the US does not reign.

I'm not sure Trump would agree with that comment!

[travelerjim]

9 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

Question about American politics. If Trump wins can he sit for 8 years, or can he only do 4 cos he already did 4?

Only can serve Max of 8 years.  4 Plus 4 for Trump

[mushroomdave]

9 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

Question about American politics. If Trump wins can he sit for 8 years, or can he only do 4 cos he already did 4?

4

[Tug]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It was likely an enormous miscalculation to allow Biden to run again. He is far too old, he is not a particularly good choice, he has not made a very good president, and youth is needed. Who could have run, I have no idea. But, not Joe. Not again. And not Trump. Please. The nation cannot afford 4 more years of that orange monster. 

 

America truly feels like it is moving backwards, and is a very, very broken nation. 

I disagree he accomplished a great deal allready but I do agree with running someone younger this time around be that as it may if he is the nominee I will back him 100% I know he’s better than any republican in their present incarnation and the Biden TEAM will move us forward in a positive direction 

[spidermike007]

7 minutes ago, Tug said:

I disagree he accomplished a great deal allready but I do agree with running someone younger this time around be that as it may if he is the nominee I will back him 100% I know he’s better than any republican in their present incarnation and the Biden TEAM will move us forward in a positive direction 

I do tend to agree. He has accomplished quite a bit. Striking down Trumps environmental policies  alone was huge. For God's sake, the monster wanted to sell off the national park system, to mining, timber and big oil!

 

And Biden is a decent man, unlike the orange one. But, as a dem, I wish we had better alternatives and I do believe by not going with one, the dems have risked alot 

[JBChiangRai]

As a Brit I enjoy watching our former colonies make a dog's dinner of running their country.

 

I hope Trump wins, not because he's the best candidate but because I enjoyed waking up every morning and having a good laugh at what he had done the previous day.

 

Please enjoy my post as the humour it's intended to be (note the correct spelling of humour).

[bendejo]

13 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

Question about American politics. If Trump wins can he sit for 8 years, or can he only do 4 cos he already did 4?

But DT should be given four more terms, without needing an election, because he has been treated so unfairly.

And then another four because he's had a life that itself has been unfair:  his parents are dead and his two eldest sons have a combined IQ of 89.  Then he had a session with a porn actress who then told the world he has a teeny weeny.  Life has been so unfair for him. 

Hey, I managed to use unfair in all but one sentence, maybe he'll hire me as a speechwriter.  I'll have to study DeSantis, who two weeks ago said "woke" 12 times in 20 seconds during a speech.

 

 

[vandeventer]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And had Trump won the last election, he would be approaching the end of his reign as POTUS

And the whole world would not have so many problems right now. Lets hope he wins in 2024!

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I do tend to agree. He has accomplished quite a bit. Striking down Trumps environmental policies  alone was huge. For God's sake, the monster wanted to sell off the national park system, to mining, timber and big oil!

 

And Biden is a decent man, unlike the orange one. But, as a dem, I wish we had better alternatives and I do believe by not going with one, the dems have risked alot 

It was the BLM that wanted to sell land to oil developers 

[bendejo]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Trump never would have been President of Comey hadn't pointlessly re-opened an investigation of Hillary Clinton days before the 2016 election.

 

Regarding your post; wrong on every point.

What sticks with me about that is Comey said he was afraid of the GOP if he didn't re-open.  Is anyone afraid of the Democrats? 

Well, he did what they wanted and still the GOP president he helped install fired him (maybe the Russians told him to) and made his life miserable.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

39 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was the BLM that wanted to sell land to oil developers 

Public lands across America, many of which remain closed to visitors due to the coronavirus pandemic, are being offered up to industry by the Trump administration.

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM), part of the Department of Interior, is pushing ahead with plans to lease hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands to fossil-fuel and mining companies – despite recent steep declines in oil prices and a glut of supply. The Department of the Interior is led by David Bernhardt, a former oil and gas lobbyist.

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/trump-fossil-fuel-coronavirus-oil-price-fall-us-public-lands-a9493101.html

[riclag]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

And the whole world would not have so many problems right now. Lets hope he wins in 2024!

He has a much bigger mess to clean up !  Me thinks the power of the pen will be used exhaustedly. Unfortunately he needs help from others ! Hes got some good surrogates in his camp ,Jim Jordan 

Brian Donalds  Josh Hawley , JD Vance to name a few!

Gotta  convince the Gen Z socialists and independents that they chose the wrong people to lead the country imop! No easy task!

I like his no war record! Maybe that will help change their minds.

18 months is a long time till elections.

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by riclag

[onthedarkside]

A derogatory name calling post also making unsubstantiated claims has been removed along with a reply

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was the BLM that wanted to sell land to oil developers 

In case you forgot:

 

“The lands Trump tried to cut out of the Staircase have an ‘open for business’ sign on them. Off-road vehicles, coal mining, drilling and other activities that without a doubt would destroy monument objects would be allowed,” said Steve Bloch, legal director for the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance. “Even in areas that remain in the monument, the plan would drive down protections to the lowest common denominator that would result in damage to culture sites, paleontological resources, and riparian areas and wilderness.”

 

There were countless other areas he wanted to open up to his corporate cronies. The national park system in the US, is by far the greatest in the world and makes the nation so unique. These are spectacular and precious, protected lands, that the orange one simply considered a nuisance. Has he ever even been to a national park? I doubt it. 

 

https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2018/08/15/feds-release-management/

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by spidermike007

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, Searat7 said:

Trump would still be president if the FBI had not kept the contents of Hunter’s laptop secret until after the election.  Also the letter signed by 51  previous officials alleging the laptop was Russian Disinformation has been completely debunked. What is really sad is that none of the main USA media networks have even mentioned the disclosures documented last week by a Congressional committee. The Biden Crime Family has received $10 million from countries like Communist China and Romania through a complex web of dummy companies set up to hide the money trail. I am sure there is more to come when they hear back from additional banks. This excludes all the money Hunter got from Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company. It is really shameful that the FBI and DOJ have become politicized and have yet to announce any charges against Hunter or other family members and you can bet Joe is involved. 

You have bought into the propaganda haven't you.

Hunter's laptop is right up there with all the other republican nonsense they spout when an election is upcoming.

Remember:

Benghazi:              nothing burger

Clinton's emails:    nothing burger

Fast and furious:   nothing burger

Twitter papers:       nothing burger

I'm sure I missed a bunch.

 

What about the other way?

Iran-Contra:      guilty

Nixon:                 resigned in disgrace

Clinton impeachment: reelected in landslide

 

The H. Biden saga will be the same.

 

Just drink the kool-aid. I tire of the nonsense

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, Searat7 said:

Trump would still be president if the FBI had not kept the contents of Hunter’s laptop secret until after the election.  Also the letter signed by 51  previous officials alleging the laptop was Russian Disinformation has been completely debunked. What is really sad is that none of the main USA media networks have even mentioned the disclosures documented last week by a Congressional committee. The Biden Crime Family has received $10 million from countries like Communist China and Romania through a complex web of dummy companies set up to hide the money trail. I am sure there is more to come when they hear back from additional banks. This excludes all the money Hunter got from Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company. It is really shameful that the FBI and DOJ have become politicized and have yet to announce any charges against Hunter or other family members and you can bet Joe is involved. 

Trump would never have been president if the FBI had followed its own rules and kept it's mouth shut about not investigating Hilary. That was about as politicized an FBI as one could get. Not to mention that the FBI has always been led by a Republican. Now, to make matters worse, the Republicans have lost their "whistleblower" and principal witness to the FBI conspiracy. Really there's so many movie and book scripts been written since Trump won the presidency.

[Berkshire]

16 hours ago, Social Media said:

Ferguson explained that even a sustained "campaign of lawfare" against the former president by his political enemies is not enough to stop him from coming back into the White House.

Anyone who would suggest that all of these investigations into Trump are some sort of "lawfare" by his political enemies is a right wing nutter.  Zero credibility.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Anyone who would suggest that all of these investigations into Trump are some sort of "lawfare" by his political enemies is a right wing nutter.  Zero credibility.

It's been frequently suggested on this board.

[Pink Mist]

An off topic post with unsupported unsubstantiated claims has been removed.

[Skallywag]

Strange prophesy as the first actual primary is not until 2-24, 8 months away.  

A lot can happen in 8 months.  Trump in 2015 had no lead at this point, but became a contender after the first debate

 

First debate September, which is 4 months away.  Anything can happen.  

[onthedarkside]

An off topic unapproved video source from a TV commentator narrating numerous unsubstantiated claims on Biden has been removed. 

[BusyB]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He’s already passed his time in the WH.

 

(‘Reign’ that’s something visited on serfs, not citizens in a republic).

 

As in ''Long may s/he reign o'er us ...''

 

[newnative]

  He lost by over 7 million votes last time around--and as the sitting president with all the powers of incumbency.  Since then its been a torrent of damaging lawsuits with more to come, a conviction for a sex offense, and Roe v Wade overturned by his handpicked, nitwit, lying SCOTUS justices.   I'm not seeing it.

[LaosLover]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I wish we had better alternatives and I do believe by not going with one, the dems have risked alot 

The problem with the alternatives argument is that you have to name one. Who is the go-getter, Trump-slayer that the worrywart alternative-moaners want? The Dem bench is shallow, so is the Repub's.

 

Biden assembled a coalition that just barely put him over. This time with 4 million newly registered, of-age voters (mostly anti-Trump) and angry women, he'll do it again.

 

Who is the person who voted for Biden and says, "no, give me the Golden Era Trump instead"? Trump has a solid floor with his base, but a low ceiling. Will that ceiling get lower due to his legal problems, or higher? It will obv. get lower. If he loses even 2% of the soft racist knuckleheads that make up MAGA, he's toast. A lot of the broader republican base hates him and will just stay home.

 

The myth that America is enraged at his coming wire fraud charges by Marxists and are ready to take back free-dum over it is laughable.

[jerrymahoney]

15 minutes ago, LaosLover said:

The problem with the alternatives argument is that you have to name one. Who is the go-getter, Trump-slayer that the worrywart alternative-moaners want?

I'll bite. My 'dark horse': J.B. Pritzker, 2-term Governor of Illinois.

[RichardColeman]

Excellent - go Trump !!

 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Pink Mist
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