Nigel Farage: ‘Brexit has failed’

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Youngsters these days don't realise how good they've got it , feeling inconvenienced by having to go to TWO supermarkets instead of one to get their shopping . 

  It wasn't too long ago that you could only buy produce that was in season and it wasn't available all year round .

  Distraught because they have to use tinned tomatoes rather than fresh tomatoes or having to go to a different shop to get fresh tomatoes  .

 

Two supermarkets? Fresh food? You were lucky! In my day we had half a corner shop t'ween twenty villages. There'd be a lottery but even after that they'd put shop at bottom of pit of winning village!

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Seeing as personal experiences are considered valid now, I would have to say that in neither Morrisons nor the pub I was in last night did I hear anyone mention Brexit. Even on the walk home I didn't. 

 

Widely and openly discussed you say. Really?

You’ll even find it discussed in the rightwing press, if you look:

 

https://www.ft.com/content/e39d0315-fd5b-47c8-8560-04bb786f2c13

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

The link you posted mentioned many reasons for possible shortages.

 

Neither your link or your search for a mystery product proves there are shortages due to Brexit alone.

 

I went to Morrisons yesterday to get some doughnuts. Those that are baked in house. There weren't any. They'd sold out. Was that because of Brexit or just that they are a popular line and they'd simply sold out?

 

You still haven't told us what you couldn't find. Your reluctance suggests it actually had nothing to do with Brexit. 

I love Mozzers - those doughnuts are better than Lewis Hamilton's.

Edited May 24, 2023 by nauseus

[Mac Mickmanus]

All this talk of GDP and the figures .

Its worth noting that the U.K complies its figures differently to other Countries and so the figures can be misleading .

    Its all explained here .

It is rather complex, so I wont try to explain it myself .

 

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/is-economic-output-an-accurate-measure-of-the-covid-19-impact/

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Two supermarkets? Fresh food? You were lucky! In my day we had half a corner shop t'ween twenty villages. There'd be a lottery but even after that they'd put shop at bottom of pit of winning village!

These days you can go online and order groceries and get them delivered , there's no need to walk around supermarkets looking for things 

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

These days you can go online and order groceries and get them delivered , there's no need to walk around supermarkets looking for things 

Luxury. Sheer luxury!

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

These days you can go online and order groceries and get them delivered , there's no need to walk around supermarkets looking for things 

Oh, so everyone is now using online shopping.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

But  but  how did that EU stuff get in?

Here , 19 different kinds of tomatoes available from ONE Supermarket . 

   You can get them delivered .

Just need to sit at home and place an order and open your front door when the delivery guys knocks 

 

https://groceries.asda.com/aisle/fruit-veg-flowers/vegetables-potatoes/tomatoes-peppers/1215686352935-1215665891579-1215666771279

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, so everyone is now using online shopping.

 

 

No. Not everyone. No one said everyone. You really do like to exaggerate for effect, don't you?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. Not everyone. No one said everyone. You really do like to exaggerate for effect, don't you?

 

 

So perhaps Brexit Failing deniers should refrain from suggesting online shopping.

[Chomper Higgot]

I guess we really are now in the the denial phase of ‘Brexit Failure’.

 

Farage, a leader of Brexit states tge obvious fact ‘Brexit has Failed’ ( His words) and Brexiteers go into denial.

 

 

[candide]

30 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No straws. The comparison started as a UK/G7 comparison and that's it. No need to expand and confuse this with an additional non G7 (Eurozone) reference.  

Splitting hairs!

The claim was that UK economy was thriving in 2008, and that it is the reason why UK appears now to be a laggard, as it is below pre-pandemic level.

 

I showed two evidences (comparison by Eurozone and G7) showing that the UK economy was not particularly thriving. Two evidences are better than only one.

[youreavinalaff]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So perhaps Brexit Failing deniers should refrain from suggesting online shopping.

Oh dear.  How sad. Never mind.

[Mac Mickmanus]

14 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. Not everyone. No one said everyone. You really do like to exaggerate for effect, don't you?

 

 

Nearly everyone has the ability and means to shop online though , practically   everyone can use the internet these days and has mobile phones and can order food online .

   It also usually works out cheaper to get food delivered (unless you walk to the supermarket or have a free bus pass) 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Nearly everyone has the ability and means to shop online though , practically   everyone can use the internet these days and has mobile phones and can order food online .

   It also usually works out cheaper to get food delivered (unless you walk to the supermarket or have a free bus pass) 

Do you have data on that?

[youreavinalaff]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you have data on that?

https://datareportal.com/reports/digital-2023-united-kingdom

[candide]

40 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

All this talk of GDP and the figures .

Its worth noting that the U.K complies its figures differently to other Countries and so the figures can be misleading .

    Its all explained here .

It is rather complex, so I wont try to explain it myself .

 

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/is-economic-output-an-accurate-measure-of-the-covid-19-impact/

 

 

It remains that: the specific way UK is calculating GDP in 2023 shows that is it below pre-pandemic level, calculated in the same specific way. Same indicator before and after the pandemic (they changed the calculation in 1998, according to your link.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

It remains that: the specific way UK is calculating GDP in 2023 shows that is it below pre-pandemic level, calculated in the same specific way. Same indicator before and after the pandemic (they changed the calculation in 1998, according to your link.

Yes, it is fully understood and accepted by all that the U.Ks economy  isn't faring as well as it was  before the pandemic

   There is no need to keep on making that point over and over again 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

https://datareportal.com/reports/digital-2023-united-kingdom

Here’s what the Office of National Statistics has to say on the matter.

 

Millions are digitally excluded, and exclusion is highest amongst the old, the disabled and people on low incomes.

 

The very people for whom traipsing around multiple supermarkets to do there weekly shop is a problem:

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/householdcharacteristics/homeinternetandsocialmediausage/articles/exploringtheuksdigitaldivide/2019-03-04

[youreavinalaff]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s what the Office of National Statistics has to say on the matter.

 

Millions are digitally excluded, and exclusion is highest amongst the old, the disabled and people on low incomes.

 

The very people for whom traipsing around multiple supermarkets to do there weekly shop is a problem:

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/householdcharacteristics/homeinternetandsocialmediausage/articles/exploringtheuksdigitaldivide/2019-03-04

Notes, Mac did say " Nearly everyone". 90+% is "Nearly everyone".

 

" Multiple supermarkets"?

 

Another exaggeration for effect.

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Notes, Mac did say " Nearly everyone". 90+% is "Nearly everyone".

 

" Multiple supermarkets"?

 

Another exaggeration for effect.

The link that he provided was published in 2019 (Release date:
4 March 2019) and had figures and graphs from 2011-2018 and your figures were from 2023 .

   Doesn't need stating that the latest figures are more accurate than out of date figures .

   Even the very few people who don't use the internet have someone who can use it on their behalf   ,like carers and nurses and the like 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Mac Mickmanus

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Every time there some delays at Dover , usually temporary delays caused by strikes or the weather , the Remain media post the stories as "Brexit causes delays at Dover* and people think there's some kind of blockade at Dover .

  We have produce going back and forth to the E.U as normal , although the truck drivers may have to show their passports when entering and leaving  

The 'new' normal seems to be more a lot more onerous for those involved in the transportation and logistics industries than the 'old' normal. It certainly appears to be a lot more complicated than truck drivers simply flashing their passports as they bid UK immigration officers a cheerful, 'Hail Fellow, well met' and are rewarded with a hearty 'God Speed' in reply.

 

One company's take on the impact of Brexit.

https://dfreight.org/blog/significant-impact-of-brexit-on-logistics-market/#:~:text=the new environment.-,Impact on Transportation,UK and other EU countries.

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by RayC
Grammar

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The link that he provided was published in 2019 (Release date:
4 March 2019) and had figures and graphs from 2011-2018 and your figures were from 2023 .

   Does need stating that the latest figures are more accurate than out of date figures .

   Even the very few people who don't use the internet have someone who can use it on their behalf   ,like carers and nurses and the like 

555. Yes, I just noticed that too.

[dunroaming]

22 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

For his seat in Walton and Esher for the Brexit vote  , the figures were actually less than 60 % in favour of Remaining , rather than 80 %

   In 2017 he got 58.7 percent  of the vote in the General election 

At the general election in 2019 his majority was cut from 23,000 to 2,743.

 

A local constituency poll was launched after Raab chaired a meeting where he declared he was voting for Brexit. I was at that meeting and the poll concluded that a little over 80% of those at the meeting favoured remaining.  As usual we all got the middle finger.  The turnout for the election for the constituency was 77%, high for that election

 

Currently Raab is showing a poor third (just a fraction ahead of Labour but way behind the Lib Dems and The Greens.  He has been left in no doubt by the people in his constituency that he has'nt a hope in hell of keeping his seat. 

 

Hence his decision to stand down, which is actually a shrewd move by the Tories. By replacing him with a remainer, they would have a good chance of keeping the seat Conservative.

[dunroaming]

23 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The figures that I provided do not show that though .

Less than 60 % of people voted to Remain in the Referendum in Raabs constituency in 2016 .

  I didnt state what the current opinion is 

Raab's seat has always been one of the safest in the country.  True Tory heartland.  The current situation just shows the state of the Conservative Party.  Keep an eye on JRM's "safe" seat as well.  Apparently his constituents are predicting he will be dumped as well.

 

Actually I think that the Tories could yet save the day if they dump the current shower and start negotiating the return to the EU.  If they did that just watch Labour jump on that bandwagon ????

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Raab's seat has always been one of the safest in the country.  True Tory heartland.  The current situation just shows the state of the Conservative Party.  Keep an eye on JRM's "safe" seat as well.  Apparently his constituents are predicting he will be dumped as well.

 

Actually I think that the Tories could yet save the day if they dump the current shower and start negotiating the return to the EU.  If they did that just watch Labour jump on that bandwagon ????

Labour are very happy for the Tories to stew in their Tory Brexit.

 

I’ve said for a long time, I want this Tory Government to go full term so that they can be seen to be responsible for their Brexit and the damage their Brexit has done to the country.

That Farage had now admitted Brexit is a failure and is pointing fingers at the Tories is a bonus.

 

Farage will of course immediately switch to blaming Labour as soon as they take office, but for now let the Tories stew in it.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Labour are very happy for the Tories to stew in their Tory Brexit.

 

I’ve said for a long time, I want this Tory Government to go full term so that they can be seen to be responsible for their Brexit and the damage their Brexit has done to the country.

That Farage had now admitted Brexit is a failure and is pointing fingers at the Tories is a bonus.

 

He will of course immediately switch to blaming Labour as soon as they take office, but for now let the stories stew in it.

The Scots found that support for Scottish independence dramatically decreased when they were advised that keeping the pound was not an option and they would have to accept the euro

I think you will find similar outcome if the UK has to accept the Euro that and I yet to see any indication from the EU that it wants it former troublesome member back into the fold

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The Scots found that support for Scottish independence dramatically decreased when they were advised that keeping the pound was not an option and they would have to accept the euro

I think you will find similar outcome if the UK has to accept the Euro that and I yet to see any indication from the EU that it wants it former troublesome member back into the fold

 

Or so you would have us believe.

[vinny41]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or so you would have us believe.

Poll: Independence support would fall if Scotland was set to adopt euro

Almost 40 per cent of Scots are less likely to back independence if separation plans appeared on course for the country adopting the euro currency, a new poll has revealed.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19499617.poll-independence-support-fall-scotland-set-adopt-euro/

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

What's funny is you seem to think what you think bothers them. 

 

If your life is so boring you get pleasure out of thinking others are sad or upset about something, I sympathise. I'm sure that extra time you spent shopping yesterday felt like an away day. I hope you had a good trip.

Ad hominem (again).