On 6/10/2023 at 6:17 PM, TravelerEastWest said:

Governments have lots of politicians working in them - and they often lie. I think most people know this. Bureaucrats often move slowly and make mistakes and occasionally lie again most people know this. Drug companies sometimes lie and get caught and pay fines but overall they help us again most people know this.

 

I was in Thailand during COVID so i don't know much about what the situation was in America but like Monday night quarter backing things can always be done better in retrospect. 

 

As for the overall picture that your words paint - no I don't agree and I don't know many people who would agree with you.

 

But actually I have only read a few of your recent posts so I don't know if you are anti vax did you take a vaccine? I took Moderna and Pfizer no side effects and no COVID yet those around me got COVID and some got very sick. Note I am in a high risk group so I would not consider not taking the vaccine...

 

Overall millions of lives were saved by the vaccines - exactly how many no-one knows for sure but millions roughly... again exactly how many millions is difficult to say and not important - many lives were saved.

 

"Overall millions of lives were saved by the vaccines."

The only way to prove that would be to build a time machine, go back to 2020, not give everyone the vaccine and see what happens.

Edited June 12, 20233 yr by rattlesnake

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

"Overall millions of lives were saved by the vaccines."

The only way to prove that would be to build a time machine, go back to 2020, not give everyone the vaccine and see what happens.

Indeed.

 

These 'saved' figures are computer forecasts; or even guesses.

 

Plenty of sickness in the village in the last 18 months; including three deaths. AFAIK they were all jabbed. Quite a few ladies with urinary probs.

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On 6/10/2023 at 12:44 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Peter Hotez, the widely respected dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor University, calls it "The Deadly Rise of Anti-science."

 

"In this eyewitness story of how the anti-vaccine movement grew into a dangerous and prominent anti-science element in American politics, Hotez describes the devastating impacts it has had on Americans' health and lives."

Science has to be challenged.

 

Peter Hotez seems to have a problem with those that don't agree with him. Plenty of 'white coats' don't see things the same way as he does.

 

Worth delving into where the University funding comes, when statements like this are made.

4 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Science has to be challenged.

 

Peter Hotez seems to have a problem with those that don't agree with him. Plenty of 'white coats' don't see things the same way as he does.

 

Worth delving into where the University funding comes, when statements like this are made.

You have links to prove your point? If not I find the funding statement disingenuous..

9 hours ago, TravelerEastWest said:

To start you might have had COVID without symptoms..

Symptoms are not the problem. They might be uncomfortable to have, and difficult to deal with, but they are the result of the body 'detoxing' itself. From what!!?

 

Better to encourage the symptoms IMO; rather than suppress them. Get well quicker.

 

Edited June 13, 20233 yr by owl sees all

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Science has to be challenged.

 

Peter Hotez seems to have a problem with those that don't agree with him. Plenty of 'white coats' don't see things the same way as he does.

 

Worth delving into where the University funding comes, when statements like this are made.

Not exactly.

 

Science is the process of challenging ideas and misinformation. But challenging ideas requires evidence and reason. One can't claim a peer reviewed study in a top journal is 'absurd' without evidence or valid reasoning.

Richard Feynman is famous for suggesting we must challenge the experts (not science) but he also notes we must listen to all the evidence, not some, not what we like, and don't say "science says", rather "the experiment or evidence has shown".

 

30 years ago he clearly foresees today's problems of soundbite misinformation:

 

"I think we live in an unscientific age in which almost all the buffeting of communications and television words, books, and so on are unscientific. That doesn’t mean they are bad, but they are unscientific. As a result, there is a considerable amount of intellectual tyranny in the name of science." [ref]

 

So go ahead and say someone is wrong, but show evidence or join the unscientific.

 

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2 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Symptoms are not the problem. They might be uncomfortable to have, and difficult to deal with, but they are the result of the body 'detoxing' itself. From what!!?

 

Better to encourage the symptoms IMO; rather than suppress them. Get well quicker.

 

That correct, and precisely what a vaccine does, give you symptoms to develop immunity in a much safer way. 

 

16 minutes ago, rabas said:

Science is the process of challenging ideas and misinformation. But challenging ideas requires evidence and reason. One can't claim a peer reviewed study in a top journal is 'absurd' without evidence or valid reasoning.

Seems to me that modern science is akin to the old religions.

 

Once apon a time, to go against the teachings of the church spokesman, could end in life imprisonment, or death. Now if a person goes against the main narrative it's ridicule, banning and deplatforming.

 

Not just in medical matters. Plenty of other subjects out there that result in modern day 'book burning'.

 

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Richard Feynman is famous for suggesting we must challenge the experts (not science) but he also notes we must listen to all the evidence, not some, not what we like, and don't say "science says", rather "the experiment or evidence has shown".

Looking at that statement in the context of the past 3 years, I expect that Feynman is rotating quite rapidly in his grave.

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On 6/12/2023 at 10:22 PM, rattlesnake said:

2021-2022 rhetoric. This is 2023.

 

Neither me nor any of my unvaccinated acquaintances have caught Covid. Every single vaccinated person I know has caught it at least once. 

 

Let that sink in.

Anecdotes are not evidence.

 

 

19 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Seems to me that modern science is akin to the old religions.

 

Once apon a time, to go against the teachings of the church spokesman, could end in life imprisonment, or death. Now if a person goes against the main narrative it's ridicule, banning and deplatforming.

 

Not just in medical matters. Plenty of other subjects out there that result in modern day 'book burning'.

 

Clearly, you don't understand science, and underestimate the impact of a well conducted clinical study.

 

Your position is usually maintained by individuals making claims without the underlying clinical studies, or any evidence. Usually, its about aliens or Bigfoot.

22 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Symptoms are not the problem. They might be uncomfortable to have, and difficult to deal with, but they are the result of the body 'detoxing' itself. From what!!?

 

Better to encourage the symptoms IMO; rather than suppress them. Get well quicker.

 

Exactly wrong. It's the human body's reaction to the virus that kills you, not the virus.

 

Of course, there are plenty of people suffering from auto-immune diseases who would disagree with you.

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I'm not suggesting we go into lockdowns or that everyone should wear facemasks every time there is a new Covid wave.

 

Just get your annual booster shot, so you are less likely to get infected and pass it on.

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

 

Just get your annual booster shot, so you are less likely to get infected and pass it on.

 And if you are older in age as many posters here are, considerably less likely to die or become seriously ill from COVID should the person become infected.

 

These days, as the latest COVID variants have become more contagious and more vaccine evasive, the vaccines' protection against serious illness and death is stronger than the protection against mere infection.

 

 

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Previous post removed so I'll try again. This OP has been going for quite some time now and I'm suprised it's still active. Hasn't been a new covid article for some time now.

Edited June 15, 20233 yr by dinsdale

On 6/14/2023 at 6:10 AM, Danderman123 said:

Clearly, you don't understand science, and underestimate the impact of a well conducted clinical study.

 

Your position is usually maintained by individuals making claims without the underlying clinical studies, or any evidence. Usually, its about aliens or Bigfoot.

The clinical studies done by Big Pharma?

 

The narrative about the covid vaccines changed dramatically over the last couple of years. Not by aliens or Bigfoot, but by the 'white coats' themselves.

How's those 5 shots working for ya now? Oh my goodness... 

 

I guess the show must go on... 

12 hours ago, owl sees all said:

The clinical studies done by Big Pharma?

 

The narrative about the covid vaccines changed dramatically over the last couple of years. Not by aliens or Bigfoot, but by the 'white coats' themselves.

Duhh...

 

The Covid vaccine evolved over the last years, so the narrative changed.

 

And by "clinical studies" I include those conducted independently of the initial studies by the vaccine developers.

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14 hours ago, 1happykamper said:

How's those 5 shots working for ya now? Oh my goodness... 

 

I guess the show must go on... 

You anti-vaxxers remind me of the people who claim that car seat belts are dangerous because someone once got trapped in a car by a seat belt.

17 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Previous post removed so I'll try again. This OP has been going for quite some time now and I'm suprised it's still active. Hasn't been a new covid article for some time now.

No worries, plenty of anti-vaxxers posting disinformation to keep the topic alive.

 

Here's a question for the anti-vaxxers in general:

 

Would you intentionally post disinformation if it would convince someone not to vaccinate?

14 hours ago, 1happykamper said:

How's those 5 shots working for ya now? Oh my goodness... 

 

I guess the show must go on... 

Covid is alive and well, shots have saved a zillion lives in preparing folks bodies to deal with it. 

But there will always be the bar stool dwellers, who poh pooh that fact........

16 hours ago, 1happykamper said:

How's those 5 shots working for ya now? Oh my goodness... 

 

I guess the show must go on... 

I have had six shots and am in a high risk group - also people in my house have gotten COVID but I am fine and no side effects from the shots and either free or low cost. If you have a rare condition that makes the vaccine dangerous maybe you shouldn't have it but otherwise it is a very good idea...

Antivaxxer rhetoric without substantiation and which is unsupported by the poster has been removed along with the replies.  If you have factual proof of your claims post the verified links and stop with the misinformation.  Continue and you will earn yourself a time-out from posting.

 

The OP topic is

 

COVID makes comeback in Thailand as booster fatigue leaves door open

22 hours ago, TravelerEastWest said:

I have had six shots and am in a high risk group - also people in my house have gotten COVID but I am fine and no side effects from the shots and either free or low cost. If you have a rare condition that makes the vaccine dangerous maybe you shouldn't have it but otherwise it is a very good idea...

I am also at high risk. I have bargirls come to my condo and they sometimes have engaged in close contact while infected.

 

Maybe I am naturally immune, or maybe my vaccinations protected me, but I have never been infected despite these ladies' best efforts.

 

On 6/15/2023 at 8:41 PM, owl sees all said:

The clinical studies done by Big Pharma?

 

The narrative about the covid vaccines changed dramatically over the last couple of years. Not by aliens or Bigfoot, but by the 'white coats' themselves.

You definitely are paranoid.

 

Not everyone is after you.

 

Hopefully your on some sort of medication.