Barriers to transgender people accessing Thailand’s healthcare system

[Jingthing]

53 minutes ago, bignok said:

So now you saying people can generally tell.

Only the obvious ones.

Most are not obvious. 

[Jingthing]

38 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

But you know the meaning of CD, DVD. SIM Card, SD-card, computer, streaming, Zoom, Skype and a host of other words that did not exist at the time. Selective ignorance cannot be used to justify bigotry.

Agreed.

[Jingthing]

56 minutes ago, bignok said:

So now you saying people can generally tell.

No. Don't tell me what I'm saying.

[sidneybear]

Thailand is very tolerant of LGBTQIA folks. There will always be a tiny minority of activists who kick up a fuss to draw attention to themselves. They should be ignored. 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Well, I was referring to, say, questionnaires or official forms. I wouldn't feel like ticking a 'cisgender' box.

I actually had to Google it, for this thread, as I had forgotten what it meant.  Which I also did, quite some time before, reading a news-blip, and had to google to find out what it meant.  In between, since don't use or see often, forgot it's meaning.  Might stick this time, or not.

[sidneybear]

On 6/26/2023 at 7:04 PM, StayinThailand2much said:

Never heard that term before. Anyhow, as a foreigner in Thailand I have it much worse, so, discrimination of Thais by other Thais... (Don't) tell me about it!

Cisgender is probably wokery for something that doesn't actually exist, or an everyday thing that can be described using common English. 

 

You're right that discrimination exists everywhere though, and that it's an unfortunate fact of life. Woke people who obsess about injustice all day will be telling us that driving licences should be issued to blind people next.

[h90]

2 hours ago, bignok said:

95% of the time you can see a gay person

Really....I never know that.....but I never think about with who people may have sex...I am not much interested in other peoples life.

[scottiejohn]

12 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

Cisgender is probably wokery for something that doesn't actually exist, or an everyday thing that can be described using common English. 

I agree and the common English words are MALE and FEMALE!

 

[sidneybear]

30 minutes ago, h90 said:

Really....I never know that.....but I never think about with who people may have sex...I am not much interested in other peoples life.

All the gay people I know don't go on and on about their sexual preferences either. They're all perfectly normal, hardworking, decent people, who I can enjoy a beer and a laugh with.

[h90]

9 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

All the gay people I know don't go on and on about their sexual preferences either. They're all perfectly normal, hardworking, decent people, who I can enjoy a beer and a laugh with.

Than why should they be so easily recognizable (as bignok writes)?

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, h90 said:

Than why should they be so easily recognizable (as bignok writes)?

Have a look at parades.

[h90]

4 minutes ago, bignok said:

Have a look at parades.

I never see men in latex looking like Freddy Mercury when I go on the market. And actually as I don't have a TV I don't see these parades.

 

[sidneybear]

13 minutes ago, h90 said:

Than why should they be so easily recognizable (as bignok writes)?

These activists and their unthinking followers talk as if sexual orientation was the only thing that defines a person's identity. In reality, it's just one of a whole bunch of things. Gay people I know want what everyone else wants: a good job, a nice house, a social life, decent friends and family. The ones I know that work hard and are diligent are rewarded in the same manner as their straight counterparts.

 

To define gay people purely by their sexuality, and to label them as victims, would be seen as intensely patronising and insulting to all the gay folk I know. 

 

[Jingthing]

50 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I agree and the common English words are MALE and FEMALE!

 

Cisgender refers to both males and females.

Apples and oranges.

Is it that hard to learn the actual definition of cisgender?

[sidneybear]

27 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Cisgender refers to both males and females.

Apples and oranges.

Is it that hard to learn the actual definition of cisgender?

You might want to publish a phrase book, so that ordinary people can communicate with you without accidentally offending you. 

 

[onthedarkside]

A post making unsubstantiated claims on pride festival participants has been removed. 

[BangkokReady]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As I explained before normal is not a precise word.

You tried to explain that, but you failed because it is untrue.

[BangkokReady]

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

as I'm thinking here, when do y'all have all these conversation about sexuality, preference, new word discussions

All the time.  It's pretty much all these "gender warriors" think about.

[scottiejohn]

56 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

You might want to publish a phrase book, so that ordinary people can communicate with you without accidentally offending you. 

 

We would not need such a unnecessary phrase book if people stopped inventing pointless words and letters! 

 

[proton]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Perhaps in some people's alternative universe, but in fact cisgender is not a slur at all. But asserting that absurd falsehood did give you the opportunity to post actual slurs. If there was any doubt where you were coming from before in regard to LGBT ... people, now any sliver of doubt has been erased.

So heterosexuals are not allowed to decide what they find offensive now, according to you, only the alphabet people. I find cisgender highly offensive and would never use or accept it as a description.

[scottiejohn]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As I explained before normal is not a precise word.

From the OED!

normal 
n    adjective 
1    conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. 
2    technical intersecting a given line or surface at right angles. 
3    Medicine containing the same salt concentration as the blood. ØChemistry, dated (of a solution) containing one gram-equivalent of solute per litre. 
4    Geology denoting a fault in which a relative downward movement occurred in the strata on the upper side of the fault plane. 
n    noun 
1    the normal state or condition: her temperature was above normal. 
2    technical a line at right angles to a given line or surface. 

ORIGIN
    C17: from Latin normalis, from norma (see norm).

 

 

PS;  The word "word" has 7 definitions in the same dictionary!

[sidneybear]

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

From the OED!

normal 
n    adjective 
1    conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. 
2    technical intersecting a given line or surface at right angles. 
3    Medicine containing the same salt concentration as the blood. ØChemistry, dated (of a solution) containing one gram-equivalent of solute per litre. 
4    Geology denoting a fault in which a relative downward movement occurred in the strata on the upper side of the fault plane. 
n    noun 
1    the normal state or condition: her temperature was above normal. 
2    technical a line at right angles to a given line or surface. 

ORIGIN
    C17: from Latin normalis, from norma (see norm).

Let's all act normal, and see if we can catch each other out.

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

You might want to publish a phrase book, so that ordinary people can communicate with you without accidentally offending you. 

 

I have already answered this above but on second thoughts;

 

It is impossible to publish such a book as they get offended so often by words and letters, and invent new ones so often that any such book would be out of date before it could get posted on the internet, never mind printed in hardback!

 

[sidneybear]

6 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I have already answered this above but on second thoughts;

 

It is impossible to publish such a book as they get offended so often by words and letters, and invent new ones so often that any such book would be out of date before it could get posted on the internet, never mind printed in hardback!

 

Very true. These people constantly redefine and invent words and phrases to disorient and denounce their opponents. 

 

Insist on using plain English, and laugh at them. Their worldview is founded on falsehoods. 

 

[scottiejohn]

3 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

Insist on using plain English, and laugh at them.

I am and will continue to do so!

I am not "Gay" bashing or whatever the term is now but bashing there tautology!

 

PS;  that will wind them up in more ways than one!

[connda]

Why should the Thai healthcare system accommodate young children whose parents want them to have the genitals mutilated?  If a family wants to go that route?  Then pay a private hospital. 

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, proton said:

So heterosexuals are not allowed to decide what they find offensive now, according to you, only the alphabet people. I find cisgender highly offensive and would never use or accept it as a description.

You can choose to be offended by any word you like but that doesn't make that word a slur. Cisgender is not a slur.

[connda]

On 6/26/2023 at 12:06 PM, Jingthing said:

cisgender gay man

What is a "cisgender gay man?"

[scottiejohn]

Just now, connda said:

Why should the Thai healthcare system accommodate young children whose parents want them to have the genitals mutilated?  If a family wants to go that route?  Then pay a private hospital. 

No send the parents to a psychiatrist first!

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

Very true. These people constantly redefine and invent words and phrases to disorient and denounce their opponents. 

 

Insist on using plain English, and laugh at them. Their worldview is founded on falsehoods. 

 

These people.