Pita To Be Given Second Chance For PM: Wan Noor

[h90]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

That is the way it used to be,hopefully this time it will be better.

The new government has to make sure all of its members remain sqeeky

clean.

Politics all over the world is a mess,it is not about helping the people but

mostly about helping your self.

Not easy i know,the higher up you get the more need to put water by the wine.

 

OF course all the new government will line their pockets first....that was always and always will be. It won't be different this time. Just with such a big coalition there will be less people to point it out.

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, EastBayRay said:

Surely they wouldn’t be stupid enough to deny Pita the chance to be PM?

or maybe the junta "graciously" allows him to be PM with the message that if he crosses them the tanks will roll in the streets once again....those generals have a lot of young ladies to support and perhaps need a new paris or london flat....

[bamnutsak]

17 minutes ago, hughrection said:

The crown property act was changed by the current government, so why not his one?

That change greatly benefited the King.

 

The reforms for 112 suggested to date are quite mild IMO, and will not restrict the ability to charge people with 112.

 

 

[Toolong]

I have never before wished & hoped, as much as I do now, that what I am certain will happen in the PM vote....will NOT happen. 

I refer of course to the peculiar charade going on of MPs, inside & outside of the coalition, speaking as if Pita might just get those required votes to become PM. 

 

Ain't gonna happen cos it can't. The appointed senators are poised like assassins. 

With their deed done, protest and outrage will follow and MPs will then speak of the injustice of it, but those same people seem - to me, anyway - seem oddly & conspicuously quiet about that injustice now. 

But then....I suppose they can't, in a way, cos the senators can't be accused of sticking the daggers in until they actually do, which they will, but they haven't....yet. 

 

What an awful farce. ????

 

(I'm sorry my post is so gloomy!)

[NanLaew]

5 hours ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

After gaining power, they should immediately start working on changing the constitution to elect/select senators and let the military appointed senators retire.

Cool your revolutionary jets. Under the current constitution, the military appointed senators term expires before next summer. No need to poke the bear. Plenty other issues are of far more immediate importance than curbing military powers and abolishing 112.

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

A massive show of support via huge peaceful rallies in the streets will be a timely reminder for the junta of what they’re up against.

Are these actually planned or is it all a dream?

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

When/if Senators reject Pita as PM, two or more times, then they should each publicly justify their decision.

Nope... under the current constitution, I can't see that listed as a legal requirement.

[bannork]

15 minutes ago, h90 said:

Will be interesting if the Dems can find someone who can make the last die hard supporters leave them.

Abhisit maybe?

Apparently a southern MP is the favourite to win 

[NanLaew]

Just now, bannork said:

Apparently a southern MP is the favourite to win 

Since the south has been historically the epicenter of Thai Democrat party support and elected parliamentarians, this is hardly remarkable.

[sirineou]

12 minutes ago, h90 said:

As bad as the senator construct is, that is not one block, that are individual people with different ideas. And I am sure they are mostly well meaning, but very conservative. Some things MF said was very anti monarchy....that makes many people upset in Thailand.

Some economic ideas are between nonsense and damaging socialism.....That all doesn't make friends with the conservative senate

 

I disagree with the "are mostly well meaning, "unless of course denying a fairly won election is well meaning. These are not elected people they are appointed appointed by the military (Prayut ),

But that's neither  here nor there, My statement that it is not a matter of majority but of the worst kind of politics  stands unless someone can provide me some evidence that Pita cannot form a majority goverment,

 

[bamnutsak]

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Nope... under the current constitution, I can't see that listed as a legal requirement.

I did not infer that this was a "legal requirement", but rather a personal responsibility for an honorable person, appointed to their position by the King.

 

Transitional Provisions Section 272. During the first five years, the senators shall be appointed by the King upon the recommendation of the National Council for Peace and Order and have the power to vote for the Prime Minister. which will be eligible from 2019 to 2024.

 

 

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Since the south has been historically the epicenter of Thai Democrat party support and elected parliamentarians, this is hardly remarkable.

True, but the Dems were once very popular in Bangkok too, at least among the middle class . Abhisit was their leader for quite some time and there were rumours he might stand on Sunday 

[h90]

15 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I disagree with the "are mostly well meaning, "unless of course denying a fairly won election is well meaning. These are not elected people they are appointed appointed by the military (Prayut ),

But that's neither  here nor there, My statement that it is not a matter of majority but of the worst kind of politics  stands unless someone can provide me some evidence that Pita cannot form a majority goverment,

 

that they are appointed does not mean that they aren't well meaning. They are supposed to vote what they think is best for the country. If they think Pita is not good for the country and don't vote for him, how does that make them not well meaning?

And about 28% of the voter voted for him....while that is a huge win, that doesn't mean all Thailand want him. It isn't that all Thailand voted for him. 62% voted for other parties.

 

[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

True, but the Dems were once very popular in Bangkok too, at least among the middle class . Abhisit was their leader for quite some time and there were rumours he might stand on Sunday 

Good point. However, I recall a perception that they were too readily aligned with, or easily influenced by the military and ex-military parliamentarians and ministers. I'm not suggesting that Abhisit will be a tough act to follow, but Pita isn't the first well-spoken, foreign-educated and intelligent person to grace Thailand's political stage. The Thai people can be a tough audience, even the vast majority of them that have no links to the military or the palace.

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

As bad as the senator construct is, that is not one block, that are individual people with different ideas. And I am sure they are mostly well meaning, but very conservative. Some things MF said was very anti monarchy....that makes many people upset in Thailand.

Some economic ideas are between nonsense and damaging socialism.....That all doesn't make friends with the conservative senate

 

That senate is basically hand picked by the powers that be.  It should not be a political choice- they have not been elected and arguably do not represent the people, but rather an already very powerful establishment.  

[sirineou]

11 minutes ago, h90 said:

that they are appointed does not mean that they aren't well meaning. They are supposed to vote what they think is best for the country.

"that they are appointed does not mean that they aren't well meaning. They are supposed to vote what they think is best for the country.  "

And we all know that politicians always do what they are supposed to do, especially when what they supposed to do goes against the entity that appointed them.  because they are all moral and upstanding citizens.As proof of that is the total lack of political corruption in Thailand. ????

 

 

Then why even have an election?  lets have these "well meaning" military appointees select the best person,  and save the country and the Thai people a lot of trouble and expense, 

But again . Its neither here nor there : " My statement that it is not a matter of majority but of the worst kind of politics  stands unless someone can provide me some evidence that Pita cannot form a majority goverment "

 

 

[h90]

24 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

That senate is basically hand picked by the powers that be.  It should not be a political choice- they have not been elected and arguably do not represent the people, but rather an already very powerful establishment.  

agree with everything....but they can be still well meaning for the country.

[ikke1959]

1 hour ago, hughrection said:

The crown property act was changed by the current government, so why not his one?

the change was in benefit, this change could be the opposite

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[h90]

22 minutes ago, sirineou said:

"that they are appointed does not mean that they aren't well meaning. They are supposed to vote what they think is best for the country.  "

And we all know that politicians always do what they are supposed to do, especially when what they supposed to do goes against the entity that appointed them.  because they are all moral and upstanding citizens.As proof of that is the total lack of political corruption in Thailand. ????

 

 

Then why even have an election?  lets have these "well meaning" military appointees select the best person,  and save the country and the Thai people a lot of trouble and expense, 

But again . Its neither here nor there : " My statement that it is not a matter of majority but of the worst kind of politics  stands unless someone can provide me some evidence that Pita cannot form a majority goverment "

 

 

Well that are not politician in that sense....and there is not much money to be made as senator.

But that it is a bad solution to appoint them is agreed already....

 

Look at China, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia....they all don't have elected governments but do well. Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia....elected Socialists.
Hitler was elected and in a coalition...sure his voter would have been angry if there would have been an unelected senate that blocked him.

My point is...it is not all black and white: elected wonderful and great; not elected: evil.....

Usually democracy works better but there are also a lot exceptions....

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, h90 said:

Well that are not politician in that sense....and there is not much money to be made as senator.

But that it is a bad solution to appoint them is agreed already....

 

Look at China, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia....they all don't have elected governments but do well. Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia....elected Socialists.
Hitler was elected and in a coalition...sure his voter would have been angry if there would have been an unelected senate that blocked him.

My point is...it is not all black and white: elected wonderful and great; not elected: evil.....

Usually democracy works better but there are also a lot exceptions....

Ok you convinced me , no need beating a dead horse.

 In an unrelated subject , what is your opinion on Unicorns?

They sure are unique and majestic animals!! I Would sure love to be the first one in my neighborhood to own one. 

 

[anchadian]

1 hour ago, HaoleBoy said:

This was just on twitter from Kaosod English

MFP leader Pita is worth 85 mil bt but has a debt of 20 mil bt, revealed the National Anti-Corruption Commission on Weds. The disclosure is mandatory for MPs who complete their term. His inherited ITV media shares is worth 44,100 bt.

 

For comparison: PM@prayutofficial's

last publicly known asset declaration in 2014 as junta-leader shows THB 128 mil and THB 650k in debt.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20141129200549/https://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1414742580&section=11

 

[h90]

24 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Ok you convinced me , no need beating a dead horse.

 In an unrelated subject , what is your opinion on Unicorns?

They sure are unique and majestic animals!! I Would sure love to be the first one in my neighborhood to own one. 

 

You so lucky...I have 3 colorful unicorns for sale, if only you pay in advance.

As it seems easy for some politicians to "sell" you some dreams and hopeium....????????

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Rumours abound that they have found Pita holding 85 million thb in crypto assets that were undeclared.

 

All Thais in the office gossiping about it this morning.

 

No idea if there is any truth to this rumour so don't shoot the messenger. 

This is the forum formerly known as ThaiVisa. Consider yourself shot.

[candide]

52 minutes ago, h90 said:

agree with everything....but they can be still well meaning for the country.

They may be well meaning. However their well meant conception of politics is that Thailand would be best ruled by an establishment of unelected people.

[bamnutsak]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

They may be well meaning. However their well meant conception of politics is that Thailand would be best ruled by an establishment of unelected people.

That's a feature of Thai-style democracy, where politicians are not to be trusted and need to be overseen by "good people". Just part of the Thai social construct.

[NanLaew]

39 minutes ago, h90 said:

Look at China, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia....they all don't have elected governments but do well. Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia....elected Socialists.

Yes, my formerly lucrative consultancy business with certain Vietnamese government entities has been in limbo since before covid due to high-level corruption investigations against state elected or appointed officials, including two Deputy Prime Ministers.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/vietnam-removes-two-deputy-pms-amid-anti-corruption-drive-2023-01-05/

 

Despite having the world's largest oil reserves, Venezuela is a failed petrostate due to the serial socialist disasters of Chávez and Maduro. Luckily, I made my business there before Chávez's Bolivarian Revolution milked the cow completely dry.

 

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/venezuela-crisis

[Rimmer]

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[h90]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

They may be well meaning. However their well meant conception of politics is that Thailand would be best ruled by an establishment of unelected people.

I don't think so.....if Pita fails there will be some other coalition and some other elected MP will be PM...that PTP guy for example. The senate can not install some random people. It must have a majority in parliament as well.

As before Prayuth got the most votes and got PM...now with that big loss all the senate could not help him to continue.

[h90]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Yes, my formerly lucrative consultancy business with certain Vietnamese government entities has been in limbo since before covid due to high-level corruption investigations against state elected or appointed officials, including two Deputy Prime Ministers.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/vietnam-removes-two-deputy-pms-amid-anti-corruption-drive-2023-01-05/

 

Despite having the world's largest oil reserves, Venezuela is a failed petrostate due to the serial socialist disasters of Chávez and Maduro. Luckily, I made my business there before Chávez's Bolivarian Revolution milked the cow completely dry.

 

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/venezuela-crisis

yes but Vietnams grows at around 6% and they actually did remove them...sounds good to me...

Means non democratic can do well and democratic can do bad....
 

[sirineou]

12 minutes ago, h90 said:

 

As it seems easy for some politicians to "sell" you some dreams and hopeium....????????

Says the man who thinks the senators  appointed from the defeated PM's military have only the best intentions of the country  for finding all short of excuses  to prevent from gaining power. the man who said that when in powered he will investigate past wrongdoings.

 Notice I did not ask you if you had any Unicorns but as to what your opinion of them was. and once again failed to answer the question. 

With such failing marks I am not so sure I want to continue this conversation. 

   But since you mentioned it  Since you tried to sell me this Well meaning  senatorial mythical animal , Why not a couple of your unicorns also  Meet me under Monument square train station, 12 o'clock midnight to give you the funds,. If I am not there wait for me .