EC sends Pita shareholding case to Charter Court

[Mavideol]

this starts to send bad feelings and maybe trouble it's on the horizon, French embassy just send this warning  letter to their citizens

 

Madame, Monsieur, 

Quelques semaines après les élections de mai dernier, le processus démocratique thaïlandais se poursuit. Nous vous invitons à vous tenir éloignés d’éventuels rassemblements publics dans les jours et les semaines qui viennent et à ne pas participer aux débats.

L’ambassade de France rappelle que les expatriés installés en Thaïlande ne sont que des observateurs de l’actualité politique du pays hôte à laquelle ils ne doivent absolument pas prendre part. 

 

Cordialement,

L’ambassade de France à Bangkok

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Lady and Gentleman

A few weeks after the elections of last May, the Thai democratic process continues. We invite you to keep you away from possible public rallies in the coming days and weeks and not to participate in the debates. The French Embassy recalls that expatriates living in Thailand are only observers of political news in the host country in which they must absolutely not take part.

Cordially,

The French Embassy in Bangkok

Edited July 12, 2023 by Mavideol

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

The stupidity is unlimited in Thailand....The EC think they are smart by waiting till the day before the PM election to decide... But they don't have a clue about the reactions...As I said earlier this week tomorrow 13th July PM elections but the 14th of July France National Holiday... Thailand will follow soon

Bastille  = Bangkok,  both start with same letter

[Tropicalevo]

6 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

accused the Election Commission (EC) of acting suspiciously with its hasty decision to ask the Constitutional Court to consider party leader Pita Limjaroenrat’s iTV share-holding case, without giving Pita a chance to defend the case.

The hasty decision is possibly a parting gift from the outgoing PM.

After all, the EC is in his pocket.

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, brommers said:

And so the charade begins. Thailand is going to be plunged into chaos and there will be no winners in this round. The millions who voted for MFP will not accept being disenfranchised this time around like FF was at the last election. What is being constructed is a perfect excuse for Prawit to seize power and if this does occur the next few months and more will see violence and disruption to life in general, to the economy and to the social structure of this country. Get ready for widespread public displays of anger.

sorry man, have to disagree, but here the charade  never stopped

[Mavideol]

who the heck elected /assigned /installed the EC..... Thailand new definition of democracy= 1 step forward and 5 steps backwards

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, jesimps said:

I won't say I told you so, but.......

 

There's no way that the junta would've gone to all the trouble of installing a military general in the chair, rewriting the constitution etc, only to let an elected civilian take the reins. You could tell that this power grab by the military was different to all the others, this time they were determined to remain and played some very clever moves. 

 

If Pita still owns those shares then I still find it unbelievable that he led MF into the election. Didn't someone feel that they should tip him off to get rid of them even if he didn't realise it himself? 

 

I hope I'm wrong. We'll have to see what the CC come up with.

Ownership of them has not diminished, and will not diminish, popular support for the cause.

 

The actions of the Old Order, using the share ownership as pretext, can only strengthen it.

 

There is the possibility that they were deliberately left as bait.

 

Because change was not ever going to arrive, and is not ever going to arrive, via the debating chamber.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Enoon

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

 I don't want to see the outgoing as well....Did you listen to Pitas economic ideas? double minimum salary, money for everyone, warmongering against Myanmar, banning Marijuana, anti China politics, anti Russia....CO2 reduction (higher electric and gas prices)
That is an economic problem that people can't even imagine.
 

Links for all those please.

[anchadian]

THE NATION: Former PM Thaksin Shinawatra has decided not to return to Thailand yet, as he does not want to spark political strife, his daughter Paetongtarn Shinawatra said on Wednesday

https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/politics/40029309

[Pink Mist]

Troll post and off topic posts reported and removed

[Bangkok Barry]

24 minutes ago, bradiston said:

It doesn't stop him from being PM.

It stops him from being an MP until the court has made its ruling. That will be at least a week, as they didn't have time to discuss it at their weekly meeting on Wednesday. Which I guess means he won't be in Parliament on Thursday to plead his case to be PM.

[Bangkok Barry]

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

4 hours ago, catch104 said:

Oh yes, that's correct. Thailand and France have already many things in common, country size, population size, renowed cuisine, popular tourist destination....

Except France makes world class wine and cheese! 

And Thailand makes...... ??? Hmm. Let me think for a day or two.

[Barefoot]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

I still don't get how the executor of an estate an be deemed to be the owner of any part of the estate.

The executor of the estate also can be a beneficiary of the will, and often is.  Many people will select one of their grown children to be their executor.  Children are primarily the beneficiaries of parents' wills.

[Pink Mist]

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[MrMojoRisin]

Good news.

 

This means after the good guys win the day and a democratically elected government takes power in Thailand the crooks currently attempting to derail democracy will be charged, prosecuted and jailed.

 

MF will return serve with vigour.

[bradiston]

40 minutes ago, Barefoot said:

The executor of the estate also can be a beneficiary of the will, and often is.  Many people will select one of their grown children to be their executor.  Children are primarily the beneficiaries of parents' wills.

Yes, I get that. But no mention has been made as to whether Pita's father's will was still in probate. Did the shares have Pita's name on them? In fact, no details as far as I know have been released at all to the public, yet Mr Ruangkrai and the EC and presumably the CC, all appear to be privy to its contents. There's a lot we're not being told. But there again, this is really a private family matter, so in a sense, what business is it of ours? Well, simply put, the future of Thai democracy would appear to hinge on various obscure legal arguments. In a closed court.

Edited July 12, 2023 by bradiston

[champers]

33 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

It stops him from being an MP until the court has made its ruling. That will be at least a week, as they didn't have time to discuss it at their weekly meeting on Wednesday. Which I guess means he won't be in Parliament on Thursday to plead his case to be PM.

Current PM is not an MP. Didn't stand for election as one this time either.

[Purdey]

50 minutes ago, jvs said:

the losing outgoing party would have

found some thing else.

Yes, I see your point but I think they can do so only if it were against the law. For instance, the question was raised whether Pita's books were media. This would make Stephen King/Tomayanti journalists so i don't believe it can be used. 

 

Having said that, what else could they find? 

[Otter3737]

58 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

It stops him from being an MP until the court has made its ruling. That will be at least a week, as they didn't have time to discuss it at their weekly meeting on Wednesday. Which I guess means he won't be in Parliament on Thursday to plead his case to be PM.

Incorrect Pita is a MP he was endorsed  by the EC a couple of weeks ago, along  with the rest of them  he will be able to enter parliment

[bamnutsak]

OK, I need to see..

 

a list of all (active, per the law-du-jour) "media" companies

 

a list by "media share companies" of shareholders

 

If you can't provide that please step aside.

 

 

[Otter3737]

17 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Yes, I see your point but I think they can do so only if it were against the law. For instance, the question was raised whether Pita's books were media. This would make Stephen King/Tomayanti journalists so i don't believe it can be used. 

 

Having said that, what else could they find? 

By definiton Books are literature  which in turn are media  and by the leter of the law is not allowed  the law does not care about Stephen King/Tomayanti

[Bangkok Barry]

14 minutes ago, Otter3737 said:

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

It stops him from being an MP until the court has made its ruling. That will be at least a week, as they didn't have time to discuss it at their weekly meeting on Wednesday. Which I guess means he won't be in Parliament on Thursday to plead his case to be PM.

Incorrect Pita is a MP he was endorsed  by the EC a couple of weeks ago, along  with the rest of them  he will be able to enter parliment

What I wrote is correct. What happened two weeks ago is irrelevant. It has been overtaken by what happened today.

 

#BREAKING: Thai Constitutional Court has ACCEPTED

@EctThailand

to seek ruling on @Pita_MFP’s eligibility to run for office despite allegedly knowingly holding media shares despite not allowed to do so. This also means he will be suspended as MP before his PM vote on Thu.

[Caldera]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The EC also asked the court to order Pita to stop performing his duty as an MP immediately, until there is a decision by the court in the next three days as to whether to accept the case for consideration.

The timing isn't suspicious at all with the vote planned for tomorrow. They sure could have referred this to the court 1-2 weeks ago already. 

[ikke1959]

17 minutes ago, Otter3737 said:

By definiton Books are literature  which in turn are media  and by the leter of the law is not allowed  the law does not care about Stephen King/Tomayanti

so is facebook, line, instagram, tik tok, theTV, the smartphone. and so on.. abolish all as all is media....even a pressmeeting is media

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by ikke1959

[Barefoot]

Some people on this thread seem to be aware there were two events today involving the Constitutional Court.

 

The first one related to shareholding of media shares.  It was submitted too late to be considered by the court today and they only meet on Wednesdays, so that will look at it next week.  So this one does not change Pita's MP status.

 

The second event was on their agenda today and related to whether Move Forward's plan to change 112 was tantamount to trying to overthrow the monarchy.  The court accepted this second one, so I think -- but am not sure -- that he is suspended due to this second event.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thai-court-decide-eligibility-case-pm-hopeful-pita-media-poll-body-source-2023-07-12/

 

[hughrection]

56 minutes ago, champers said:

Current PM is not an MP. Didn't stand for election as one this time either.

Correct, the new rule set up by Prayut's crowd allows a non-MP to be prime minister. If they pull Pit's MP status, he can still be put forward as the new PM. ????

[matta]

When injustice becomes right it is a duty to resist

[ikke1959]

i believe that the Constitutional Court was informed already some time ago, but that the EC only today officially have send the documents to court. I don't believe that a court can't decide in a few minutes to accept the case like this, surely because in fact it was too late and very complex. The judges were well informed already I believe, and as they are military backgrounded too, in this way preventing that Pita can become PM. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by ikke1959

[Otter3737]

12 minutes ago, Barefoot said:

Some people on this thread seem to be aware there were two events today involving the Constitutional Court.

 

The first one related to shareholding of media shares.  It was submitted too late to be considered by the court today and they only meet on Wednesdays, so that will look at it next week.  So this one does not change Pita's MP status.

 

The second event was on their agenda today and related to whether Move Forward's plan to change 112 was tantamount to trying to overthrow the monarchy.  The court accepted this second one, so I think -- but am not sure -- that he is suspended due to this second event.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thai-court-decide-eligibility-case-pm-hopeful-pita-media-poll-body-source-2023-07-12/

 

Not sure about the suspension  but the second   is the most dangerous as it effects the whole party not just Pita

[BenStark]

1 minute ago, Otter3737 said:

the second   is the most dangerous as it effects the whole party not just Pita

Let me correct you, the second will affect the whole country if they rule to disband MF

[Otter3737]

27 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

What I wrote is correct. What happened two weeks ago is irrelevant. It has been overtaken by what happened today.

 

#BREAKING: Thai Constitutional Court has ACCEPTED

@EctThailand

to seek ruling on @Pita_MFP’s eligibility to run for office despite allegedly knowingly holding media shares despite not allowed to do so. This also means he will be suspended as MP before his PM vote on Thu.

You are Incorrect there Is NO suspension  by the court  that is an opinion by the EC you need to read the news  he will be in Parlement Tommorow