anchadian Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Chances of Thailand’s @Pita_MFP being voted as PM are now next to zero as senators appointed by royalist and military establishment consistently ignore results of election dominated by his coalition parties that showed the people’s will #WhatsHappeningInThailand https://twitter.com/TostevinM/status/1679430823789953025 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted July 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Rachel de France said: After having been living for over two years in Thailand already, I can say that what is so sad and so disrespectful to the good citizens are mostly those stupid fat bellies from North America and Northern Europe like those in Hua Hin, like one stupid old entitled boomer from Scandinavia taking 3 seats in the Songthaew with his fat ass, and not even willing to move a little bit aside to let local people sit down. Or like that stupid German recently in the BTS who did not want to let people in, just because "der Herr" needed his private sphere! Boring and way off topic, the subject is the votes for Pita to become PM. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Thai PBS3 TV channel doing a live count of PM votes now. Pita trailling at the moment 221 against 244 (abstensions and votes against combined). The gap against him appears to be growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel2023 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, scorecard said: Boring and way off topic, the subject is the votes for Pita to become PM. Boring only for creatures who cannot handle the hard truth... Way off topic: for sure, like the original post I replied to... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Rachel de France said: Boring only for creatures who cannot handle the hard truth... Way off topic: for sure, like the original post I replied to... ... ohhh 9 posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, champers said: Thai PBS3 TV channel doing a live count of PM votes now. Pita trailling at the moment 221 against 244 (abstensions and votes against combined). The gap against him appears to be growing. I don't understand. They're way over 500 votes already. Are they doing the senate at the same time? Ah. The senators are voting at the same time. They're marked as ส.ว. The MPs are ส.ส. He's got 10 senators and 260 MPs right now. And counting! Edited July 13, 2023 by bradiston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 27 minutes ago, anchadian said: Chances of Thailand’s @Pita_MFP being voted as PM are now next to zero as senators appointed by royalist and military establishment consistently ignore results of election dominated by his coalition parties that showed the people’s will #WhatsHappeningInThailand https://twitter.com/TostevinM/status/1679430823789953025 it is not the duty of the senators to mirror the election.....there job is one of balancing it. You can find that right or wrong, but that is their job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, h90 said: it is not the duty of the senators to mirror the election.....there job is one of balancing it. You can find that right or wrong, but that is their job They cannot have been members of a political party throughout the preceding 5 years! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Thailand Edited July 13, 2023 by bradiston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Pita has been incompetent in the post election period. But I must say the senators are also looking bad, here. The least they should have done is orchestrate it so that MFP got some votes, instead of looking like a monolithic bloc indifferent to everything but their own interests. Really badly played, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Could a Pheu Thai candidate do better? They need to pick one first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, champers said: Could a Pheu Thai candidate do better? They need to pick one first. Yes, I would think, because the reason given voting against MFP would not apply to PTP. Opposition would need to come up with something compelling to not look like mere obstructionists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bradiston said: They cannot have been members of a political party throughout the preceding 5 years! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Thailand He got 321. 182 against. 198 abstentions. Chaos! Nothing adds up! Edited July 13, 2023 by bradiston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Pita needs to do some rapid negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, bradiston said: They cannot have been members of a political party throughout the preceding 5 years! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Thailand yes of course....else they couldn't be independend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, bradiston said: Pita needs to do some rapid negotiations. now too late.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, John Drake said: Yes, I would think, because the reason given voting against MFP would not apply to PTP. Opposition would need to come up with something compelling to not look like mere obstructionists. Since days there were rumors about PTP planning this all. Let the young run against a wall and come than as safer. It could be already seen at the speaker discussion that MFP has no clue what they do.....they could have taken the speaker and give the PM to PTP.....but no they wanted both and now they get neither.....Well played Mr. T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, h90 said: yes of course....else they couldn't be independend Oh yes, of course. Nominated by the ruling junta, how could they possibly not be independent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Just 13 senators voted for Pita; hard to see him winning over enough in a second vote. About 50 senators didn't even bother turning up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, h90 said: now too late.... I don't think so. They haven't got a consensus. And it looks like there's a load of votes missing. A possible new vote until they get a result. Otherwise, what? Edited July 13, 2023 by bradiston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Parliament will vote for PM anew on July 19 & 20 & MFP PM candidate #Pita Limjaroenrat's name will be resubmitted. Listening to junta-appointed senators today, it's most unlikely the results will differ. Most were against Pita's pledge to amend lese majeste law. https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1679443893715374087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, champers said: Just 13 senators voted for Pita; hard to see him winning over enough in a second vote. About 50 senators didn't even bother turning up. Not sure if it was the senators. I didn't get the final breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, anchadian said: Parliament will vote for PM anew on July 19 & 20 & MFP PM candidate #Pita Limjaroenrat's name will be resubmitted. Listening to junta-appointed senators today, it's most unlikely the results will differ. Most were against Pita's pledge to amend lese majeste law. https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1679443893715374087 So he has 6 days to talk them round. He has options, but if he dumps the lèse majesté review proposal, he'll risk losing a lot of his supporters. Hmmm. Which way to go? Can't see MFP voting for PT. Just too many abstentions. Or resort to tried and trusted system offering posts in the next government in exchange for votes. Whatever. Yeah, but some votes. There's a novel idea for Thailand. Anyway, it happens in every democracy in the world. Edited July 13, 2023 by bradiston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, bradiston said: So he has 6 days to talk them round. He has options, but if he dumps the lèse majesté review proposal, he'll risk losing a lot of his supporters. Hmmm. Which way to go? Can't see MFP voting for PT. Just too many abstentions. I had read something about a stalemate situation lasting for a couple of years until the senate is up for election, I believe they have 6 year terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Thailand's Pita defeated in parliament in bid for PM By Panarat Thepgumpanat and Chayut Setboonsarng July 13, 20236:12 PM GMT+7Updated 6 min ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post madmitch Posted July 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2023 50 minutes ago, h90 said: it is not the duty of the senators to mirror the election.....there job is one of balancing it. You can find that right or wrong, but that is their job It's also highly undemocratic. If they were an elected body then perhaps it would be acceptable but they're not. They are extremely biased in favour of the military and the monarchy. The real job of an upper house is checks and balances. This is impossible with a group entirely selected by one side of the political spectrum. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, madmitch said: It's also highly undemocratic. If they were an elected body then perhaps it would be acceptable but they're not. They are extremely biased in favour of the military and the monarchy. The real job of an upper house is checks and balances. This is impossible with a group entirely selected by one side of the political spectrum. yes I complete agree...the problem is the selection and the amount of people also seems high. A selection could be former constitutional court judges, former but retired PMs, labor union leaders, one from the universities and maybe ONE from the military. And even that is dubious because every party will try to put their people in. Per constitution in Thailand actually everyone must be in favor of the monarchy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, anchadian said: Chances of Thailand’s @Pita_MFP being voted as PM are now next to zero as senators appointed by royalist and military establishment consistently ignore results of election dominated by his coalition parties that showed the people’s will #WhatsHappeningInThailand https://twitter.com/TostevinM/status/1679430823789953025 All of which promotes the clear contradictory. These duly appointed [not elected] members shouldn't be voting in any measure.......as they are illegally bound and non grata. the system is a farce and yet continues to pretend that it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, h90 said: yes I complete agree...the problem is the selection and the amount of people also seems high. A selection could be former constitutional court judges, former but retired PMs, labor union leaders, one from the universities and maybe ONE from the military. And even that is dubious because every party will try to put their people in. Per constitution in Thailand actually everyone must be in favor of the monarchy The revered institution still has a subliminal pull on the population. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ukrules said: I had read something about a stalemate situation lasting for a couple of years until the senate is up for election, I believe they have 6 year terms. No, their term ends in March 2024. The UK has an unelected upper house, made up of government appointees, hereditary peers and peeresses, judges and senior clergy. But they very, very rarely vote against the lower house. They can send bills back for amendment however. But nothing like this. And they have absolutely no say in the selection of the PM, who is by default the leader of the majority party. Edited July 13, 2023 by bradiston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, bradiston said: No, their term ends in March 2024. Irrelevant....as they really don't a term because they [largely] weren't elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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