Tragic twist: Aussie teen’s suspicious death in Thailand fuels family’s heartfelt repatriation quest

[Artisi]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

There was a 59yr old indian fella that "drowned" with his wife a few years ago but yeah.. mostly it is younger peeps.

Here's a few.

Nick Pearson, 25, from the UK

Hannah Witheridge, 23, from the UK

David Miller, 24, from the UK

Dimitri Povse, 29, from France.

Christina Annesley, 23, from the UK

Valentina Novozhyonova, 23, from Russia.

Luke Miller, 24, from the UK.

Elise Dallemagne, 30, of Belgium.

And that just a few that we know of. 

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Do they never think Oh "why are they mostly young" we never hear anyone over 50 Accidentally dying on Death Island.

How old was that diving school guy? Young people get themselves into trouble more, and older people do not appeal to local punks like the young girls might. 

[Sheryl]

21 hours ago, brianthainess said:

This makes no sense to me, If he died in suspicious circumstances, then surely an Autopsy would need to be carried out, thereby the cause of death would be known, drugs, alcohol, accident, there is something his family are keeping from us. IMO. 

The quality of autopsies here is poor in the extreme. Often just say "heart failure" or "cardiac arrest" with no further explanation. And unlike in the west there is no direct linkage between the autopsy process and forensic investigation.

 

This is true even in Bangkok. Down on the islands, rudimentary in the extreme.

 

If they want answers the only way is to get the body back as quickly as possible for a post mortem in Oz.

 

Bear in mind that the "cyanide killer" was able to kill more than a dozen people -- young, healthy people suddenly dead without warning - and no questions raised on cause of death.

[Sheryl]

19 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Thai law says any death of a foreigner must be investigated and an autopsy carried out, not necessarily just the 'suspicious' ones. Recalling previous events and 'mysteries', the autopsy will be done at some police hospital down Surat Thani way. There's nothing to stop a second autopsy being carried out on the repatriation of the lad's body. I recall that this is also the case in the UK where a Coroner's inquest is performed. Unfortunately, the findings are diminished by the time elapsed since the death and there may also be difficulties getting the original autopsy report.

This is not the case for deaths occurring in hospital where doctor can certify cause of death.

 

I also know cases who died at home who were able to avoid autopsy as cause of death was obvious and they had been under a doctor's care for a terminal illness.

 

But a death outside of hospital and not under medical care forr a terminal disease yes, would require autopsy

[brianthainess]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

This is not the case for deaths occurring in hospital where doctor can certify cause of death.

 

I also know cases who died at home who were able to avoid autopsy as cause of death was obvious and they had been under a doctor's care for a terminal illness.

 

But a death outside of hospital and not under medical care forr a terminal disease yes, would require autopsy

That's right, I was told 'it's the law' by my local police, when my friend passed away, we had no choice, the cops don't know the 'law'. It caused a lot of stress for me, having to deal with it, and near 50k (his money) for him to be returned for cremation on KC. He died from MND in hospital. "Heart attack'' was the autopsy, may as well put 'died form lack of breath' as we all do.  

[mikeymike100]

18 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

To be fair there is a pattern here? This is not the first mysterious death there?

Quite so, some were very mysterious like :

 

"Frenchman Dimitri Povse, 29, was found hanged in a bungalow on the island on New Year's Day 2015 and his death was ruled as suicide despite his hands being tied behind his back.

 

Associate Professor Charnkanit Krittiya Suriyamanee, a criminologist and lecturer at the faculty of social science and humanities of Mahidol University, said he doubted the suicide theory citing some irrelevant evidences, according to Chiangrai Times.

 

He said that the victim had been drunk to the extent that he was unable to control himself, he would not have been able to tie himself up so tightly that he died of suffocation."

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, Artisi said:

12 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I'm still waiting for anyone to be specific about "all these unexplained deaths".

Do your own research, it will help fill in your day. 

I have, that's why I asked the question!  And thanks for the answer that I expected.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[NanLaew]

22 hours ago, Pumpuynarak said:

I think i'm right in saying that a second autopsy can be carried out as a matter of urgency on request in Thailand at a selected hospital of your choice providing you pay the costs.

Now if you had any doubt regarding the accuracy of the first autopsy surely one would want a second opinion.

 

Just sayin like......

Correct. I recall the mother of the actress that fell off a speedboat and drowned in the Chao Phaya wanted to get the esteemed Senator Kunying Pornthip (her of the fake bomb detector approval) to do another autopsy.

 

Not sure if the rels of the deceased lad in question would want another questionable autopsy done here.

Edited July 20, 2023 by NanLaew

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

This is not the case for deaths occurring in hospital where doctor can certify cause of death.

 

I also know cases who died at home who were able to avoid autopsy as cause of death was obvious and they had been under a doctor's care for a terminal illness.

 

But a death outside of hospital and not under medical care forr a terminal disease yes, would require autopsy

My apologies that I omitted death under care in a hospital scenario which is the preferred method for foreigners to expire here.

 

My neighbor who has aggressive terminal brain cancer has recently been discharged from palliative care at the local hospital to die at home. His wife, their lawyer and the medical professionals have made the necessary legal arrangements for this to happen without the need for local police involvement.

[gomangosteen]

As this man is Australian, reference the Australian Embassy site re deaths within Thailand:

 

Autopsies and registration of death

A full autopsy is not conducted where the deceased passed away at a hospital with a clear cause of death, unless requested and paid for by NOK. The hospital will usually provide NOK with a notice of death, outlining the cause of death as determined by the treating physician or medical practitioner. NOK will then need to register the death and obtain the death certificate by taking the notice of death to the local district office (Amphur or Tedsaban).

 

If the death occurs outside of hospital or by accident, the police officer in charge will conduct any necessary investigations and may request an autopsy to determine the cause of death. 

 

The remains will usually be transferred to a Forensic Institute or major hospital and that will normally conduct the autopsy within 24 hours of receiving the remains. The autopsy report, however, can take at least 6-8 weeks (or, in some cases, more depending on the complexity of the circumstances of the death). Once the autopsy is completed, NOK will require a letter from the Embassy authorising NOK to collect the remains for private funerary arrangements.  After collecting the remains, NOK may then proceed with registering the death as per the above paragraph. 

The Embassy does not become involved in investigations of deaths or in the autopsy process which is the responsibility of local authorities. 

 

 

[gomangosteen]

And just by way of comparison, the US Embassy notes on Autopsy

 

In order to determine the cause of death, the medical examiner on the scene may recommend an autopsy when a U.S. citizen dies outside of a hospital setting.

 

Autopsies are not typically performed on U.S. citizens who die in hospitals, except at the request and expense of the next-of-kin.

[VocalNeal]

7 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

There was a 59yr old indian fella that "drowned" with his wife a few years ago but yeah.. mostly it is younger peeps.

Here's a few.

Nick Pearson, 25, from the UK

Hannah Witheridge, 23, from the UK

David Miller, 24, from the UK

Dimitri Povse, 29, from France.

Christina Annesley, 23, from the UK

Valentina Novozhyonova, 23, from Russia.

Luke Miller, 24, from the UK.

Elise Dallemagne, 30, of Belgium.

Being British is lethal????

[BarraMarra]

5 hours ago, Sheryl said:

This is not the case for deaths occurring in hospital where doctor can certify cause of death.

 

I also know cases who died at home who were able to avoid autopsy as cause of death was obvious and they had been under a doctor's care for a terminal illness.

 

But a death outside of hospital and not under medical care forr a terminal disease yes, would require autopsy

As we now know even Doctors can be manipulated in Thailand to alter Autopsy reports. As in the case of the the murder of the suspected Drug dealer at the hands of a senioe RTP  officer.

[VocalNeal]

15 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

As we now know even Doctors can be manipulated in Thailand to alter Autopsy reports. As in the case of the the murder of the suspected Drug dealer at the hands of a senioe RTP  officer.

Overdose of lead to the back of the head????