Builders Again!

[stubuzz]

Told them to remove the fiber board and block up the hole. You will need to move the guttering out! Yes, I can do it was the reply. I think they intend to render up to the fold in the guttering, but I'm sure it is going to leak!

 

[flyingtlger]

If you want it done right....Do it yourself.

[stoner]

tell me you didn't pay for that ? 

[stubuzz]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

tell me you didn't pay for that ? 

Not paid yet, as it is not finished. But, i will tell to remove the guttering, extend the roof panels and block up to the roof sheets. Then guttering can be reattached. If they don't want to do it, they can go!

[sirineou]

Remove the gutter, extend the roof , and the build up to it. Easy to do depending on the kind of roof you have. 

Not sure what kind of roof you have. Can you post a picture? 

[stubuzz]

8 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Remove the gutter, extend the roof , and the build up to it. Easy to do depending on the kind of roof you have. 

Not sure what kind of roof you have. Can you post a picture? 

It's the standard concrete sheets about 3 foot long per piece. They only need to extend about 8 inches, then block up to it and reattach the guttering. Easy! I tell them what I want, but they don't listen. They are off today and Friday, but i call them back later to discuss this terrible work.

[Dante99]

25 minutes ago, stubuzz said:

i will tell to remove the guttering, extend the roof panels

Probably can not just extend the roof panels without providing additional framing to support the extension, not a small job.  You need framing to attach the gutter to, you can not just hang some more roof tiles out and attach the gutter to them, framing is required to attach the gutter.

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, stubuzz said:

It's the standard concrete sheets about 3 foot long per piece. They only need to extend about 8 inches, then block up to it and reattach the guttering. Easy! I tell them what I want, but they don't listen. They are off today and Friday, but i call them back later to discuss this terrible work.

Dont know what a standard concrete sheet is as par as roofs go, a picture would help for more precise instructions. But it should not be hard to do, simply lift the roof up a little bit and slip an extension under it, You can a tin lice pend for you at any roofing place, I recently did something similar when I converted a covered area behind our house to a workshop . Notice the gutter at the end of the slope, The roof needs to stick over the gutter lightly so that the water runs nin the gutter and not some of it between the gutter and the wall. Apologies  for the poor sketch 

   

[sirineou]

17 minutes ago, Dante99 said:

Probably can not just extend the roof panels without providing additional framing to support the extension, not a small job.  You need framing to attach the gutter to, you can not just hang some more roof tiles out and attach the gutter to them, framing is required to attach the gutter.

It's a small extension , looks to be about 4 inches . Tin roof can stick out this much and more. then he  can bring the wall up to the roof which itself would provide  support for the extension. Then from the inside I would take a can of expensable foam (very cheap) and fill what ever gap there is between the wall am roof extension. By the way. What the OP has now , if the gutter is properly installed with a bit of a drop edge over it, should be fine, All the water running down the roof will be removed by the existing gutter,  what little falls on the cement fill will run off . Issummed the whole thing is going to be rendered. The only thing about what the OP has now is that it does not look pretty, but if the OP does not mind, ir should be fine. He can also waterproof that bit of cement not under the roof with waterproofing paint  

[Dante99]

9 minutes ago, sirineou said:

looks to be about 4 inches

he said 8 inches

 

9 minutes ago, sirineou said:

if the gutter is properly installed

You propose keeping the gutter installed as it?  If not what is the gutter going to attach to when it is reinstalled?  

[recom273]

48 minutes ago, stubuzz said:

It's the standard concrete sheets about 3 foot long per piece. They only need to extend about 8 inches, then block up to it and reattach the guttering. Easy! I tell them what I want, but they don't listen. They are off today and Friday, but i call them back later to discuss this terrible work.

Weren't you monitoring it?

 

I'm not one to talk about this either, you give a simple task and expect it to be done "surely they cant f this up?, can they?" - yes, they can.

[robblok]

1 hour ago, flyingtlger said:

If you want it done right....Do it yourself.

Only if you can do that.. i know im an idiot but i have to have people do things for me. Because of communication its always a problem. Not everyone is good with their hands.

[lopburi3]

From photo it appears wall is against boundary divider wall with no setback (which is illegal most places if you do not own adjoining property) and any extension of roof would actually be onto adjoining property.  But hope I am wrong as photo is not clear but appears to show open border wall cement blocks at bottom.

[sirineou]

17 minutes ago, Dante99 said:

he said 8 inches

 

You propose keeping the gutter installed as it?  If not what is the gutter going to attach to when it is reinstalled?  

If he does not mind the look, I don't think the small slope will present any problem if properly waterproofed. Assuming off course  that the gutter is now properly instated also. If he extended the roof and the wall was extended to under the roof the gutter can be attached to the wall, If the wall is extended to the roof with the AAC block then you can easily screw into it,you van even screw facia board on the AAC block . Or if they used cement to fill the gap, you can also screw into the concrete with plastic shields concrete anchors , or concrete screws

 

[OneMoreFarang]

It's difficult.

In my experience there are few Thai builder (including electricians and others) who work according to the standards which farangs expect.

I think often they learned to do something in a way, and (somehow) it works. And then they just continue with every new job the same way. It seems to me only very few are interested to know if there are other and better ways to do any job. 

And if Thais do that for some time and they are supposed to be the long term experts, then nobody (Thai) dares to tell them that things could be done differently and better.

 

Keeping that in mind they obviously also calculate how much time and material they need according to what they think is good enough to get it done.

And I guess few think about the possibility that things might go wrong and they are responsible for what they damage.

 

One way to try to solve this problem is to agree in detail about all the things which have to be done, with quality measurements. If anybody agrees on that and feels responsible if it is not according to that standard then that is wonderful - and it seems to happen seldom.

Bad builder will just say yes yes yes and do it any way they want.

And real good builders are reluctant to look at lots of details and sign such contracts because they have enough work with that hassle.

 

My short summary from my renovation experience is that we need a trusted Thai person who knows "farang thinking" and knows Thai thinking and has enough experience to translate and explain and is influential enough so that the builder understands he can't just get away with bad work.

And it is obviously difficult to find such a person, especially for small jobs.

 

[stubuzz]

24 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

From photo it appears wall is against boundary divider wall with no setback (which is illegal most places if you do not own adjoining property) and any extension of roof would actually be onto adjoining property.  But hope I am wrong as photo is not clear but appears to show open border wall cement blocks at bottom.

Yes,it's a boundary wall.Moving the guttering will not make it overhang the adjoining property too much. Anyway, my neighbour is very nice and will not object if it overhangs abit.

[stubuzz]

3 hours ago, sirineou said:

Dont know what a standard concrete sheet is as par as roofs go, a picture would help for more precise instructions.

[sirineou]

20 minutes ago, stubuzz said:

Ok very simple then .

If you decide to extend the roof , you can remove the gutter and the cement they put there. You can extend the roof in two ways, One is to use the same material you have, loosen up the bolts that hold your existing roof and slide under it similar material (if you can find it ) that you cut down to side.  From the look of it it looks like you need to extend the roof 4 or 5 inches and would need pieces 12-16 inches so more than half of it goes under your existing roof.  You have to measure , Another wat is to get low profile tin roofing and slide that under it. 

But you and also leave it the way that it is, It does not look great but it is in the back and no one will see it. I don't think you will have a problem with the  cement. that is at an angle under the existing gutter. . you are going to render the wall anyway, You are not going to leave the AAC block uncovered? remember AAC block is very porous . Use a good waterproofing paint at least in the area of concern . And if in the future you have a problem (I don't think you will) you can tear that section out then and do the roof extension. Good luck. PM me if you have any questions  

[sirineou]

If you are concerned about the gutter, clean it, and  use roofing tar or some kind of rubberized paint such as the one below, I use in my Koi pond, you can find at Lazada, but there might be a similar and less expensive product at your local DoHome or similar store. You might even use some of thar rubberized paint in the area of concern. 

[stubuzz]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

But you and also leave it the way that it is, It does not look great but it is in the back and no one will see it. I don't think you will have a problem with the  cement. that is at an angle under the existing gutter. . you are going to render the wall anyway, You are not going to leave the AAC block uncovered? remember AAC block is very porous . Use a good waterproofing paint at least in the area of concern . And if in the future you have a problem (I don't think you will) you can tear that section out then and do the roof extension. Good luck. PM me if you have any questions  

Water will run down and seep between the guttering and the cement render. It may not be today, but it sure will in the future and then the kitchen will be wet. The only real solution, to ensure no leaks, is to extend the roof and put the guttering on the outside of the wall.

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, stubuzz said:

Water will run down and seep between the guttering and the cement render. It may not be today, but it sure will in the future and then the kitchen will be wet. The only real solution, to ensure no leaks, is to extend the roof and put the guttering on the outside of the wall.

Of course you are there and have a better handle on the situation,. I can only form an opinion from the limited information if a picture. Extending the roof a few inches is easy, just stick some roofing under the existing roof,. Make sure they bring the wall up under the roof with AAC block as it is easier to screw or nail a Fascia board on it and dress the top nice also making a place to attach the gutter, You can  attach it to cement  if that's what they use but is is a lot haeger attaching things to cement than there is to AAC block 

Good luck, let us know how it turned out. 

[Bangkok Barry]

I had my house extended and wanted wires put in the bedroom wall ready for aircon to be installed. Done. Then the aircon installer arrived and found the wires weren't actually connected to anything and he had to rig it up so that two units (one in the kitchen) run off the same circuit - which they can do, but not at the same time. The boss of the five workers was the only competent one, three of the builders were family so wife couldn't kick up a fuss. Like many people in Thailand they weren't properly trained in what they do, but living out in the sticks we weren't exactly blessed with choice. A Korean I worked with once summed up the country perfectly in just six words - the standards here are so low, 

[Sandboxer]

Oh my Buddha, you didn't just get TiT-ed, you got absolutely TiT-f__d!

Edited July 22, 2023 by Sandboxer

[mrwebb8825]

Geez that's fugly - Do you have a "before" picture? Like to see what it looked like before you had it screwed up.