Hunter Biden's former business partner tells Congress about Joe Biden calls

[bamnutsak]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Me, I've had enough of this.

 

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Time to move on

 

Out with a whimper.

 

How predictable.

 

 

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2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Many posters here were saying that Archer is a convicted fraudster and couldn't be believed. What happened to that scenario? What? He didn't throw biden under the bus so he's now legit?

Many posters here were saying how Archer's testimony would reveal the corruption of Joe Biden. He didn't throw Biden under the bus so now he's  untrustworthy?

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7 hours ago, heybruce said:

Do Trump supporters ever read the "evidence" they post?

 

 

Another question might be do New York Post reporters ever read what they write?

[EVENKEEL]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Many posters here were saying how Archer's testimony would reveal the corruption of Joe Biden. He didn't throw Biden under the bus so now he's  untrustworthy?

Where did I say Archer is untrustworthy? Doesn't take away from the fact bidenites were expecting incriminating stuff so were already calling Archer a fraudster.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Where did I say Archer is untrustworthy? Doesn't take away from the fact bidenites were expecting incriminating stuff so were already calling Archer a fraudster.

I called Archer a fraudster because he has been convicted of fraud and will go to prison for it.

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3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Many posters here were saying that Archer is a convicted fraudster and couldn't be believed. What happened to that scenario? What? He didn't throw biden under the bus so he's now legit?

Nowhere in this thread have you posted any doubts about what Archer said. Until now...hmmmm...

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Me, I've had enough of this. Any clear thinking American can see that hunter was paid large sums of money because of his last name and that the big guy was aware. Time to move on, now if only the dems would release their fish because that's tiresome as well.

 

I recommend a cage fight, MMA style between trump and biden.

Has anyone disputed that Hunter Biden was trading on his name and his father knew about it?

 

BTW:  "if only the dems would release their fish because that's tiresome as well."?  Could you explain that?

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33 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Where did I say Archer is untrustworthy? Doesn't take away from the fact bidenites were expecting incriminating stuff so were already calling Archer a fraudster.

I looked in this thread for evidence the Biden supporters were calling Archer a fraudster. The only person who apparently claimed that was heybruce. What the rest of those who might conceivably be called Bidenites were  saying is that the Republicans were releasing cherry-picked bits of testimony from Archer and spinning it. Now that the transcripts have been released, that's clearly been shown to be the case.

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1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Me, I've had enough of this. Any clear thinking American can see that hunter was paid large sums of money because of his last name and that the big guy was aware. Time to move on, now if only the dems would release their fish because that's tiresome as well.

 

I recommend a cage fight, MMA style between trump and biden.

No one has ever denied that in the case of Burisma, Joe Biden was unaware that his son was working for Burisma. It's on the record that he was told this by the State Department back in 2014.

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I'm surprised that neither the Republicans or the Democrats asked Archer if there any indication that any of the calls from Joe Biden to Hunter Biden were actually pre-arranged or not. We know from Archer's testimony that Joe Biden spoke to his son every day. We also know from his testimony that the number of calls Archer witnessed was 20 over the space of 10 years. That's about 3650 days.  So it doesn't seem unlikely that these phone calls simply occurred occasionally when Hunter Biden was in a meeting. And Hunter Biden took advantage of that by putting his father on speaker and engaging with him in conversations with unremarkable content.

[Hanaguma]

So, we have testimony of multiple (20 plus) phone calls, photo ops at the White House, dinners at Cafe Milano, golf dates, coffee meetings... and on none of those occasions was Joe remotely curious about what was happening.  I guess Hunter must be a master psychological manipulator to use his father so well and at the same time keeping him in the dark. 

 

And they all talked about the weather.

 

OK. 

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2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So, we have testimony of multiple (20 plus) phone calls, photo ops at the White House, dinners at Cafe Milano, golf dates, coffee meetings... and on none of those occasions was Joe remotely curious about what was happening.  I guess Hunter must be a master psychological manipulator to use his father so well and at the same time keeping him in the dark. 

 

And they all talked about the weather.

 

OK. 

Because Biden would have no say in what they talked about? 20 phone calls over a space of 10 years. And we have witness in Devon archer who said business wasn't discussed over the phone calls at all and the same for the dinners at Cafe Milano. We know that Biden said to his son after he learned of Hunter Biden's business relationship with Burisma, "I hope you know what you're doing". You think Biden doesn't know how to be avoid business discussions?  As for coffee meetings, why the plural?. There was one possible coffee meeting but Archer wasn't sure about that and it was reported elsewhere that it was just a handshake..

As Devon Archer repeatedly said, despite his Republican interrogator's attempts to make him say otherwise, Hunter Biden wanted to make people think he had juice with his father. Not that he actually had it.

[bamnutsak]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

I looked in this thread for evidence the Biden supporters were calling Archer a fraudster.

Devon Archer has been convicted of Fraud, and has been sentenced. He has not proceeded to prison yet.

 

 

Devon Archer Sentenced To A Year And A Day In Prison For The Fraudulent Issuance And Sale Of More Than $60 Million Of Tribal Bonds

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/devon-archer-sentenced-year-and-day-prison-fraudulent-issuance-and-sale-more-60-million

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Devon Archer has been convicted of Fraud, and has been sentenced. He has not proceeded to prison yet.

 

 

Devon Archer Sentenced To A Year And A Day In Prison For The Fraudulent Issuance And Sale Of More Than $60 Million Of Tribal Bonds

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/devon-archer-sentenced-year-and-day-prison-fraudulent-issuance-and-sale-more-60-million

 

 

 

That's true. But why would he volunteer to expose himself to a criminal charge of perjury? 

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[candide]

Now that the testimony has been released, no MAGA troll in this thread.

BTW, it'sbquitebinteresting to read,nor example how a they started to work for Burisma. A bit long,though....

[Hanaguma]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Because Biden would have no say in what they talked about? 20 phone calls over a space of 10 years. And we have witness in Devon archer who said business wasn't discussed over the phone calls at all and the same for the dinners at Cafe Milano. We know that Biden said to his son after he learned of Hunter Biden's business relationship with Burisma, "I hope you know what you're doing". You think Biden doesn't know how to be avoid business discussions?  As for coffee meetings, why the plural?. There was one possible coffee meeting but Archer wasn't sure about that and it was reported elsewhere that it was just a handshake..

As Devon Archer repeatedly said, despite his Republican interrogator's attempts to make him say otherwise, Hunter Biden wanted to make people think he had juice with his father. Not that he actually had it.

So as I understand it, your theory is that Joe Biden was the helpless and unwitting accomplice in Hunter's schemes? Schemes he had no knowledge of?  Hunter as the malign genius, able to exert psychological control over the Vice President of the United States...

 

As just one example, I find it very hard to believe that a father as close to his son as Joe Biden, would not even know where his son works.  That a son so close to his father wouldn't call up his Pops and say, "hey Pops, guess who is getting a million bucks a year from a Ukranian energy company!?!". Again off the charts in simply unlikely.

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3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

So as I understand it, your theory is that Joe Biden was the helpless and unwitting accomplice in Hunter's schemes? Schemes he had no knowledge of?  Hunter as the malign genius, able to exert psychological control over the Vice President of the United States...

 

As just one example, I find it very hard to believe that a father as close to his son as Joe Biden, would not even know where his son works.  That a son so close to his father wouldn't call up his Pops and say, "hey Pops, guess who is getting a million bucks a year from a Ukranian energy company!?!". Again off the charts in simply unlikely.

More nonsense from you. I just noted that Biden would be well able to avoid such discussions and, also, Hunter might be well understood to want to avoid such discussions. And yet, here you are spouting more foolishness about psychological control.

 

As I have pointed out, Biden knew that his son was working for Burisma. In fact, as I noted above, he is reported to have said after he learned of it "I hope you know what you're doing". Will you ever stop inventing puerile dialogue?

 

If you had bothered to read the transcript you will find that Devon Archer noted that Hunter Biden actually took great pains not to be legally liable to accusations of access by hiring a major lobbying firm which would keep him out of the loop.

 

 

[billd766]

On 8/3/2023 at 2:36 PM, ICU Kid said:

If it's fun it better for us watchers.  I've not got a dog in the fight but demanfd entertainment.  It's the UUSA gotdammit!

 

Anyway, your boy Sleepy Joe is headed for impeachment.

Maybe Navin Gruesome will be next up and turn the whole country into a <>strewn sanctuary country or maybe RFK is going to be the man to get everyone's facts straight on the covid panicdemic.  Interesting times!

 

You know the situation is getting bad when *Bloomberg* are reporting on the Biden secret bribery payments.  Joe's going under the bus soon - he getting written out of the script. Tick Tock

 

 

 

You seem to be strong on speculation, but weak on evidence and proof.

 

A typical Trump believer and supporter.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

You seem to be strong on speculation, but weak on evidence and proof.

 

A typical Trump believer and supporter.

It is interesting that you assume the only people who could possibly find fault with Joe Biden HAVE TO BE Trump believers or supporters. I guess that makes it easy for you to dismiss their ideas instead of actually evaluating them. But believe it or not, there are actually people out in the world (me included) who would rather see neither Joe nor The Donald be President. 

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18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It is interesting that you assume the only people who could possibly find fault with Joe Biden HAVE TO BE Trump believers or supporters. I guess that makes it easy for you to dismiss their ideas instead of actually evaluating them. But believe it or not, there are actually people out in the world (me included) who would rather see neither Joe nor The Donald be President. 

You'd rather see Ron Desantis. What's your point?

[rudi49jr]

18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It is interesting that you assume the only people who could possibly find fault with Joe Biden HAVE TO BE Trump believers or supporters. I guess that makes it easy for you to dismiss their ideas instead of actually evaluating them. But believe it or not, there are actually people out in the world (me included) who would rather see neither Joe nor The Donald be President. 

I agree. I would also rather see neither Biden nor Trump. But if that is the choice we have, I prefer Biden over Trump by about a gazillion (give or take) to one. 

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You'd rather see Ron Desantis. What's your point?

Actually no.  He hasnt impressed me at all with his campaign. He might have hit his ceiling of competence as governor.  

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7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So, we have testimony of multiple (20 plus) phone calls, photo ops at the White House, dinners at Cafe Milano, golf dates, coffee meetings... and on none of those occasions was Joe remotely curious about what was happening.  I guess Hunter must be a master psychological manipulator to use his father so well and at the same time keeping him in the dark. 

 

And they all talked about the weather.

 

OK. 

According to Devon Archer, your characterization of those conversations as having nothing to do with business is correct. Or maybe Devon Archer is a daredevil who volunteered to testify for the House Committee because he wanted to commit perjury, a crime, and see if he could get away with it. Or maybe he's telling the truth. 

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[rudi49jr]

The thing is that I really don’t understand the selective outrage among Republicans/MAGA. For me it’s quite obvious: if someone commits a crime, they should be trialed and, if found guilty, go to prison. I don’t care if that person is Trump or Biden or whoever; when they’re dirty, they should go to jail, period.

But Republicans/MAGA close their eyes to overwhelming evidence that Trump committed a whole slew of (very serious) crimes. What’s even more baffling is that many of them say that they don’t care if Trump commits/committed crimes. For all they care, he could murder someone (just go on Youtube and you can see plenty of videos) and they would still support him and vote for him. That is nothing short of cult behavior.

Republicans have tried very hard (talk about your witch hunt) to ‘prove’ that Biden is dirty, but so far haven’t been able to come up with anything. Don’t you think if there was information out there to incriminate Biden, it would have surfaced already? There are many people working for various USA intelligence agencies who take their job very seriously, and I’m sure quite a few of them have already taken a very long and hard look at Biden. Believe me, if he was dirty, we’d know by now.

[Isaan sailor]

Impeach, arrest, convict and imprison them both,  Then we can start with a clean ballot.

[rudi49jr]

59 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Impeach, arrest, convict and imprison them both,  Then we can start with a clean ballot.

For Trump, there is ample evidence to arrest, convict and imprison him. For Biden, not so much. House Republicans (or anyone else, for that matter) haven’t been able to produce any evidence so far, and I very much doubt that they ever will, because there’s nothing there. Unless you believe the BS they come up with every other day that they have found the smoking gun, or an informant, or a whistleblower. How did that work out so far?

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Impeach, arrest, convict and imprison them both,  Then we can start with a clean ballot.

Have you forgotten the little matter of proof?

 

Without enough proof for a prosecutor there can be no conviction.

 

Do you have ANY proof or evidence to convict President Biden.

 

If you do please send it to the oversight committee under R Comer and to all the MSM and social media.

 

So far after hundreds of man hours and large amounts of taxpayers money they can find nothing.

 

OTOH if you have no proof either, why did you bother to speculate and post? 

[Isaan sailor]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Have you forgotten the little matter of proof?

 

Without enough proof for a prosecutor there can be no conviction.

 

Do you have ANY proof or evidence to convict President Biden.

 

If you do please send it to the oversight committee under R Comer and to all the MSM and social media.

 

So far after hundreds of man hours and large amounts of taxpayers money they can find nothing.

 

OTOH if you have no proof either, why did you bother to speculate and post? 

Take a chill pill.  No need for those comments. Proof will come.  The poorest guy in Senate and as VP. suddenly has a net worth far above what he should have.

[scottiejohn]

14 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

The poorest guy in Senate

And of course you have the links and proof to back that up?

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[billd766]

11 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Take a chill pill.  No need for those comments. Proof will come.  The poorest guy in Senate and as VP. suddenly has a net worth far above what he should have.

There is every need for my comments.

 

TBH I am bored waiting for promises of you and several other posters telling me that the proof will come. It NEVER comes.

 

The oversight committee has had years of man hours, stacks of money spent and they have come up with nothing.

 

What PROOF do you have that they do not.

 

IMHO you also have nothing, but your unsubstantiated and not backed up word.