2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

And of course you have the links and proof to back that up?

But but but you have the posters unsubstantiated word for it. Is that not good enough?  ???? 

 

It isn't for me.

Just now, billd766 said:

But but but you have the posters unsubstantiated word for it. Is that not good enough?  ???? 

 

It isn't for me.

I totally agree!

I am a great believer in the phrase "Put up or shut up"!

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Take a chill pill.  No need for those comments. Proof will come.  The poorest guy in Senate and as VP. suddenly has a net worth far above what he should have.

Others have raised the same claim before. And it should be obvious why such  claim is ridiculous. Joe Biden has made public all his tax returns for years. And  yet the conservative media has simply failed to take a closer look at his finances? Really.l

Still, even after I saw those ridiculous claims, I decided to do something that was miraculous: I looked up the on on the internet via something called Google. This is what I got:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/06/10/heres-how-much-joe-biden-is-worth/?sh=519686c7461b

 

On 8/4/2023 at 7:55 AM, placeholder said:

Many posters here were saying how Archer's testimony would reveal the corruption of Joe Biden. He didn't throw Biden under the bus so now he's  untrustworthy?

I did see the Devon Archer interview with Tucker Carlson.  He came off as a friendly, knowledgeable business savvy fellow.  But he acknowledged the letter from Joe Biden, and it didn’t support the narrative that Joe knew nothing about Hunters business associates. And he said nothing to disprove they made millions for the Biden shell companies.  And what about the weekend notice from DOJ—that he had to report for prison prior to his meeting with the House Oversight Committee?

1 minute ago, Isaan sailor said:

I did see the Devon Archer interview with Tucker Carlson.  He came off as a friendly, knowledgeable business savvy fellow.  But he acknowledged the letter from Joe Biden, and it didn’t support the narrative that Joe knew nothing about Hunters business associates. And he said nothing to disprove they made millions for the Biden shell companies.  And what about the weekend notice from DOJ—that he had to report for prison prior to his meeting with the House Oversight Committee?

Joe Biden said he knew nothing about Hunter's business not that he didn't know who some of Hunter's business associates were.. If a husband tells his wife that someone is his partner does that mean his wife knows about his business? If you were to question her about his business what substantive piece of information would she necessarily have? . It's a matter of record that the State Dept. informed Biden in 2014 or 2015 that Hunter had joined the board of Burisma. After he was informed, Biden is reported as having told his son "I hope you know what you are doing." Obviously, when Biden denied knowing anything about his son's business, it means he wasn't privy to what Hunter was up to. You really have to be straining at gnats to say this means that Biden about Hunter's business.

7 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

I did see the Devon Archer interview with Tucker Carlson.  He came off as a friendly, knowledgeable business savvy fellow.  But he acknowledged the letter from Joe Biden, and it didn’t support the narrative that Joe knew nothing about Hunters business associates. And he said nothing to disprove they made millions for the Biden shell companies.  And what about the weekend notice from DOJ—that he had to report for prison prior to his meeting with the House Oversight Committee?

The notice you refer to was actually a standard notice to a judge. It typically takes weeks or months before an actual bed in prison is assigned. But it's significant that the sources you trust offer such misleading B.S.

The right once again gins up a baseless claim of intimidation

https://archive.ph/EEvri

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/31/doj-hunter-devon-archer/

So the "brand" being the Biden name has nothing to do with ill qualified Hunter receiving huge sums?  What's with the meetings in Dubai, Cafe Milano and other places with Ukrainians and other foreigners where Joe shows up?  It was all just random meetings with Hunter and his biz partners to talk about the weather?

 

3 hours ago, dhupverg said:

So the "brand" being the Biden name has nothing to do with ill qualified Hunter receiving huge sums?  What's with the meetings in Dubai, Cafe Milano and other places with Ukrainians and other foreigners where Joe shows up?  It was all just random meetings with Hunter and his biz partners to talk about the weather?

 

As Devon Archer repeatedly testified, Hunter Biden used the Biden name to promote himself but acknowledged that he took credit for actions his father had taken even though Hunter actually had no role in making them happen. He specifically referenced Ukraine and said that Hunter tried to make Burisma execs believe that he had played some role in getting his father to come. The Republicans on the Committee repeatedly tried to get Archer to assent that Hunter Biden had brought his father to Ukraine. Archer repeatedly rejected that characterization.  Furthermore, Archer testified that people at the firm said that firing Viktor Shokin was bad for Burisima since the CEO of Burisma, Mykola Zochevsky, had Shokin under his control.

Archer testifed that over 10 years there were 2 dinners at the Cafe Milano. At neither was business discussed. The second one to support the World Food Programme. As for the phone calls Archer said there were 20 over 10 years. That averages to 2 per year. Father and son spoke every. From the looks of the testimony, Hunter took advantage of phone calls that occurred when he was having dinners with business associates by putting the calls on speaker. Called that consisted of pleasantries.

Now, if you're accusing Archer of lying, you would have to ask why he would expose himself to legal prosecution by voluntarily appearing before the committee and lying to its members?

4 hours ago, dhupverg said:

So the "brand" being the Biden name has nothing to do with ill qualified Hunter receiving huge sums?  What's with the meetings in Dubai, Cafe Milano and other places with Ukrainians and other foreigners where Joe shows up?  It was all just random meetings with Hunter and his biz partners to talk about the weather?

 

You should read the testimony

15 hours ago, placeholder said:

Joe Biden said he knew nothing about Hunter's business not that he didn't know who some of Hunter's business associates were.. If a husband tells his wife that someone is his partner does that mean his wife knows about his business? If you were to question her about his business what substantive piece of information would she necessarily have? . It's a matter of record that the State Dept. informed Biden in 2014 or 2015 that Hunter had joined the board of Burisma. After he was informed, Biden is reported as having told his son "I hope you know what you are doing." Obviously, when Biden denied knowing anything about his son's business, it means he wasn't privy to what Hunter was up to. You really have to be straining at gnats to say this means that Biden about Hunter's business.

Let me guess:  you and your liberal friends still believe Joe Biden merely discussed the weather on those 20 or so phone conversations and or in person meetings with Hunter’s business associates?  Dream on.

37 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Let me guess:  you and your liberal friends still believe Joe Biden merely discussed the weather on those 20 or so phone conversations and or in person meetings with Hunter’s business associates?  Dream on.

First off, with actual evidence  I called you on your claim that Joe Biden didn't didn't come by his money legitimately, and you offered nothing in reply.

And then there was another false claim of yours that I called you on about how the Justice Dept was trying to lock up Devon Archer before he could testify. Again, nothing back from you on that.

And now, you're claiming that the same guy you claimed the Justice Dept attempted to stop from testifying, is committing perjury when he says that no business was discussed on these occasions. So he volunteered to speak to the Committee and then commits perjury?

You've got less than nothing.

On 8/2/2023 at 2:36 PM, BangkokReady said:

Not really. Biden was involved in the business. Someone must have been getting paid. It's fairly clear.

Which Biden would that be?

 

President Biden or his son, Hunter.

 

We know that Hunter was involved but not his father. That part is NOT fairly clear.

 

Un;ess, of course you personally know more that anybody else and have clear and uncontroversial proof that it is so.

 

However in a court of law an allegation is NOT proof.

 

Is that clear enough for you?

 

If you have such proof, then please post it to the oversight committee, chaired by R Comer, as despite hundreds of man hours, vast amounts of money, and as yet have NO proof of President Biden's involvement in Hunter Biden's business.

 

At best your post is simply an unproven allegation, and at worst simply a slur.

 

NO prosecutor would consider taking a case to court on the information that you have provided. 

53 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Let me guess:  you and your liberal friends still believe Joe Biden merely discussed the weather on those 20 or so phone conversations and or in person meetings with Hunter’s business associates?  Dream on.

So were you present during these business calls and have a transcript of every word spoken?

 

A simple yes or no question with no other answer necessary.

 

If your answer is yes then you have evidence and proof then you should produce it.

 

If your answer is no, then you have NO proof and your post is a waste of time and space.

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

Let me guess:  you and your liberal friends still believe Joe Biden merely discussed the weather on those 20 or so phone conversations and or in person meetings with Hunter’s business associates?  Dream on.

Let me guess. You think a career politician who was re-elected to the senate for decades would be stupid enough to engage in influence peddling with his son who he knew was a drug user?

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

Let me guess:  you and your liberal friends still believe Joe Biden merely discussed the weather on those 20 or so phone conversations and or in person meetings with Hunter’s business associates? Dream on.

Well, what I firmly believe is that there's not a single shred of evidence currently available to show that any business-related matters were discussed in those phone calls.

 

Although we do have the sworn testimony of an eye witness, given under penalty of perjury, that only pleasantries were exchanged.

 

In the final analysis, you have nothing but supposition to offer and as I'm sure you're aware, supposition does not provide a legal basis for proving criminality.

Edited August 6, 20232 yr by GroveHillWanderer

6 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Well, what I firmly believe is that there's not a single shred of evidence currently available to show that any business-related matters were discussed in those phone calls.

 

Although we do have the sworn testimony of an eye witness, given under penalty of perjury, that only pleasantries were exchanged.

 

In the final analysis, you have nothing but supposition to offer and as I'm sure you're aware, supposition does not provide a legal basis for proving criminality.

So you’re saying that the poorest US Senator to leave the Senate and Vice Presidency, only to receive millions via shell companies—mainly because Joe Biden exchanged pleasantries and weather comments with Hunter Biden’s business associates?   Logic has failed.

10 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

So you’re saying that the poorest US Senator to leave the Senate and Vice Presidency, only to receive millions via shell companies—mainly because Joe Biden exchanged pleasantries and weather comments with Hunter Biden’s business associates?   Logic has failed.

Please stop the B.S. Joe's tax returns have been made public and it is know where the money comes from, in particular from his books.

12 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

So you’re saying that the poorest US Senator to leave the Senate and Vice Presidency, only to receive millions via shell companies—mainly because Joe Biden exchanged pleasantries and weather comments with Hunter Biden’s business associates?   Logic has failed.

No, (and at the risk of repeating myself) I'm saying that there's no evidence that anything other than pleasantries were exchanged.

 

And incidentally there's also absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Joe Biden ever  received "millions via shell companies." 

 

If you want to know how he became wealthy, the article below shows that the majority of his and Jill Biden's current wealth comes from a book deal (worth $8 million) and speaking engagements. All of this is fully documented in his tax returns.

 

How Joe Biden Went from Middle-Class Joe to a Millionaire

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Let me guess:  you and your liberal friends still believe Joe Biden merely discussed the weather on those 20 or so phone conversations and or in person meetings with Hunter’s business associates?  Dream on.

Let me guess: you and your MAGA friends have absolutely nothing on Joe Biden, yet you keep pushing all kinds of ridiculous conspiracy theories, hearsay, innuendo and false claims and hope that will fly? Dream on. 

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

So you’re saying that the poorest US Senator to leave the Senate and Vice Presidency, only to receive millions via shell companies—mainly because Joe Biden exchanged pleasantries and weather comments with Hunter Biden’s business associates?   Logic has failed.

Why so you continue to tell falsehoods? What shell companies connected to Hunter Biden has Joe Biden been receiving millions from?

From the landing page of The World Forum:

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

 

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

So you’re saying that the poorest US Senator to leave the Senate and Vice Presidency, only to receive millions via shell companies—mainly because Joe Biden exchanged pleasantries and weather comments with Hunter Biden’s business associates?   Logic has failed.

You are the one who is claiming that President has been paid, but as you and several other posters claiming similarly, NONE of you can come up with any proof, none of you were involved in any of those conversations. Yet all of you deny the evidence given by Hunter Biden's business partner (who actually WAS there), and freely gave his evidence to R Comer's oversight committee.

 

Does it not occur, to you that if there was any truth and evidence in his testimony, that R Comer would be shouting it from the rooftops.

 

Yet the committee has remained silent.

 

President Biden has released his tax return every year for many years, and has not shown any income from any company owned and operated by Burisma.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

First off, with actual evidence  I called you on your claim that Joe Biden didn't didn't come by his money legitimately, and you offered nothing in reply.

And then there was another false claim of yours that I called you on about how the Justice Dept was trying to lock up Devon Archer before he could testify. Again, nothing back from you on that.

And now, you're claiming that the same guy you claimed the Justice Dept attempted to stop from testifying, is committing perjury when he says that no business was discussed on these occasions. So he volunteered to speak to the Committee and then commits perjury?

You've got less than nothing.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2023/07/30/doj-letter-on-devon-archers-jail-sentence-comes-just-before-hes-set-to-testify-for-oversight-committee-n2626393
 

 

6 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2023/07/30/doj-letter-on-devon-archers-jail-sentence-comes-just-before-hes-set-to-testify-for-oversight-committee-n2626393
 

 

See an earlier post from placeholder.

 

The notice you refer to was actually a standard notice to a judge. It typically takes weeks or months before an actual bed in prison is assigned. But it's significant that the sources you trust offer such misleading B.S.

 

The right once again gins up a baseless claim of intimidation

 

https://archive.ph/EEvri

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/31/doj-hunter-devon-archer/

A friend just alerted me to this. Apparently this information was around a few days ago but I hadn't noticed it.

 

James Comer called Devon Archer’s interview about the Bidens a ‘bombshell’. He wasn’t actually there

 

All of the claims that James Comer was making in the article referenced in the OP, about how we should interpret Devon Archer's testimony are complete BS because it turns out he had no direct knowledge of the testimony.

 

At the time he made those comments the transcripts had not been released, so anything he was saying was based on the second (or perhaps even third) hand hearsay. Since he did not actually know what Archer had said, there no basis for taking anything he is saying about Archer's testimony seriously.

On 8/5/2023 at 8:49 PM, dhupverg said:

So the "brand" being the Biden name has nothing to do with ill qualified Hunter receiving huge sums?  What's with the meetings in Dubai, Cafe Milano and other places with Ukrainians and other foreigners where Joe shows up?  It was all just random meetings with Hunter and his biz partners to talk about the weather?

 

The chant "Let's Go BRANDon" might be a pointer?

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The chant "Let's Go BRANDon" might be a pointer?

no, just more puerile right wing name calling.

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The chant "Let's Go BRANDon" might be a pointer?

Is this supposed to be funny?

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

The chant "Let's Go BRANDon" might be a pointer?

I'm not surprised that you would think a euphemism for F*** Y** Biden is an explanation. 

A post with a link to site in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category has been removed. 

14 minutes ago, dhupverg said:

Pretty damning article in zerohedge.  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-republicans-release-bank-records-showing-over-20-million-payments-biden-family

 

"And on March 25, 2014, there were two separate transfers for $2.2 million and $200,000 respectively into the Rosemont Seneca Bohai account, which Hunter and Devon Archer used to receive other personal payments such as those from Burisma.

After this, then-VP Joe Biden attended a dinner with Baturina, Hunter, Archer and others at Cafe Milano in Washington DC. 
And guess who was left off Biden's list of sanctioned Russian oligarchs? Baturina."

 

In another connect the dots moment the article says that Kazakh oil oligarch Kenes Rakishev wired $142,000 to Hunter Biden's shell corporation to buy a new Porsche (which Hunter bought the next day), before a dinner was set up between the oligarch and Joe Biden, bank records show.

 

Nope, nothing to see here, all above board.......................................

Maybe, just maybe, the reason that Baturina was left off the sanctions list is this:

• Russia's second wealthiest woman, Elena Baturina, was married to Yury Luzkhkov, who was the mayor of Moscow for years.
• In 2010, Luzhkov was removed from the mayor's post; Baturina and their daughters left the country.
• Baturina soon sold almost all of her assets in Russia including a construction company called Inteko and a cement factories.

 

https://www.forbes.com/profile/elena-baturina/?sh=206eddee3c29

 

The article goes on to say that she unsuccessfully sued the Russian govt for seizing land in Moscow that was owned by her.

So, she doesn't exactly qualify as a friend to the the Putin regime, does she?