New coup plot details fuel fears Germany’s far right is getting more extreme as it gains support

[rudi49jr]

2 minutes ago, bignok said:

Says the left. He hated Jews, they werent left wing. 

So just because Hitler hated the Jews, and the Jews are/were not left wing, you conclude that Hitler wasn’t right wing? You will have to explain that piece of deduction to me.

[bignok]

13 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

So just because Hitler hated the Jews, and the Jews are/were not left wing, you conclude that Hitler wasn’t right wing? You will have to explain that piece of deduction to me.

Read up

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

[pacovl46]

First of all, the vast majority of Germans doesn’t vote right wing, Secondly, the AFD will never be in control because all of the other parties refuse to coalesce with them. And lastly the Reichsbürger are a joke and they can start as many coups as they want, they’ll never succeed! 

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1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Undereducated folks needing welfare, just what every country desires.

Lots of old people who are going to need care. You think it takes a doctorate to do that?

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I bring in excess of 1.2 mil baht a year to this country. How much money does the invading hordes bring to the table?

Pretty much every study ever done in a developed country shows that immigrants provide a net economic benefit to the countries they immigrate to.

 

Here's just two examples for the US and UK, respectively.

 

Benefits of Immigration Outweigh the Costs

 

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Immigration fuels the economy. When immigrants enter the labor force, they increase the productive capacity of the economy and raise GDP. 

The Fiscal Effects of Immigration to the UK

 

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Our findings show that immigrants to the UK who arrived since 2000, and for whom we observe their entire migration history, have made consistently positive fiscal contributions regardless of their area of origin.

As I say, studies in pretty much every other developed nation find the same thing.

[JackGats]

Right-wing populist parties aren't fascists (why would they be?). They're anti-immigration, vaguely anti-EU and anti-NATO, opposed to climate hysteria and compulsory homosexuality, among other things. They gain traction, threatening the binary-trap monopoly of established parties. The latter then try every trick in the book to have them banned. Old guard clinging to power. Rings a bell.

 

[rudi49jr]

26 minutes ago, bignok said:

Read up

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

Maybe you should read up:

 

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/fascism-1

[connda]

2 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

This resurgence of the "far right" is Europe's only hope to save itself from the invading hordes of Muslim and African invaders. It can't happen fast enough, as far as I'm concerned. We need the same thing in the US as well.

"Far-right" is a pejorative term used to disparage large groups of citizens who refuse to cower to "Far-left" totalitarians who increasingly wield power via their 'public-private partnership' with Big Tech and Mass-Media.  You control the ungovernable by marginalizing them.  You marginalize them by repeating the pejorative over and over and over again and creating an environment of fear in the minds of those incapable of critical thought.

[bignok]

5 minutes ago, connda said:

"Far-right" is a pejorative term used to disparage large groups of citizens who refuse to cower to "Far-left" totalitarians who increasingly wield power via their 'public-private partnership' with Big Tech and Mass-Media.  You control the ungovernable by marginalizing them.  You marginalize them by repeating the pejorative over and over and over again and creating an environment of fear in the minds of those incapable of critical thought.

Big Pharma as well. So much fear.

[connda]

21 minutes ago, connda said:

"Far-right" is a pejorative term used to disparage large groups of citizens who refuse to cower to "Far-left" totalitarians who increasingly wield power via their 'public-private partnership' with Big Tech and Mass-Media.  You control the ungovernable by marginalizing them.  You marginalize them by repeating the pejorative over and over and over again and creating an environment of fear in the minds of those incapable of critical thought.

AfD are far-right extremists - like Nazis

AfD are far-right extremists - like Nazis,

AfD are far-right extremists - like Nazis......
But If that doesn't work in creating enough fear and loathing, then go for The Big Lie, and have your friends in Big Tech, and Main-Stream Mass-Media repeat the following over and over and over.
The dangerous far-right, neo-Nazi AfD are conspiring to overthrow the government...

The dangerous far-right, neo-Nazi AfD are conspiring to overthrow the government...
The dangerous far-right, neo-Nazi AfD are conspiring to overthrow the government...

Repeat The Big Lie over and over and over again.
Then declare the AfD as a terrorist organization and start arresting all citizens who hold traditional, conservative values.
Watch for it, it's coming. 

[Keep Right]

2 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

This resurgence of the "far right" is Europe's only hope to save itself from the invading hordes of Muslim and African invaders. It can't happen fast enough, as far as I'm concerned. We need the same thing in the US as well.

It is interesting that the far left has labeled anyone that is slightly to the right of their globalist, socialist ideology as being far. Mighty Rome finally fell to the barbarian German invaders such as the Goths and Vandals. Now socialist Germany is being invaded by the Muslims and Africans and those who want to put a stop to it are labeled as being "far right."

[bignok]

When I was 19yo some of my friends were racist. However they mostly voted left wing. They were not far right at all.

 

 

[proton]

I think Muslim hard liners, those following the doctrine to the letter, could not be described as anything other than far right fanatical extremists.

[BusyB]

3 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

Do you really expect EVERYONE to accept the destruction of Europe and America by your people without a fight? (I assume that your username "Red Forever" is a reference to your communist ideology?)

You really do need help. This is beyond the pale and has nothing to do with reality on the ground.

[BusyB]

2 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

Seems your hypothesis might see some challenges given what has transpired in the USA and the level of extreme right wing powerbrokers in that country.

Given the influence of the USA on world power balances German fascist parties draw great impetus and fuel from the rise of neo-Nazism in the US.

Those mega-funders and promoters of fascism there are very powerful, highly motivated, persistent, and dedicated to destroying democracy and will not stop.

Putin sure seems to have seduced, brainwashed, subjugated, and taken complete control of his nation in pursuit of a neo-Czarist fascistic autocracy and already begun the expansion of this evil westward. 

It will be challenged all the time.

 

But despite the well armed garden gnomes with some surreptitious funding and the people they appeal to, this is sheer hyperbole. Awareness is what is needed, and I think Germany is very aware and quietly (as usual) taking action. Both the German garden gnomes and the Mega gang leader are now arraigned. I don't believe even the Americans are so stupid as to put Trump in a second time. He lost both elections he stood for. He was only SELECTED as President because of an outdated and not fit for purpose electoral system. Similar to what has happened in the UK. And I am far more worried about what's going down in the UK as the UK goes down than I am about deluded 'Reichsbürger'.

[BusyB]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

It’s not a scaremongering article, it is simply stating facts. Hitler and his nazis were not taken seriously either when they started out, and we all know the price the world had to pay for that.

An AfD mayor has been elected, by the way, in a town in the east of Germany, just this past June. If I were you, I’d take the risk of fascists taking over very seriously. 

Oh calm down. He's not a mayor, so at least get your facts right. He's basically an administrator. A Landsrat, not a Bürgermeister. The town actually has a mayor. So he will do what he is told and carry out policy that will be decided for him. It's accepted that the Eastern German states are full of Arkansas type backwaters who were 'left out' after the Wall came down. But they are by no means anywhere capable of getting a majority together.

 

 

[BusyB]

45 minutes ago, proton said:

I think Muslim hard liners, those following the doctrine to the letter, could not be described as anything other than far right fanatical extremists.

Course they are.

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12 hours ago, bignok said:

Read up

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

George Watson, the author of that piece, was a cold warrior who wrote for Commentary, a strong supporter of the notion of the Worldwide Communist Conspiracy. His goal in writing this was not to explain Hitler's views. but to tarnish the Soviet Union. For the views of the overwhelming majority of historians, here's a link that summarizes it well:

Were the Nazis Socialists?

"In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished."

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

And, of course, Hitler exterminated German communists, socialists, and labor leaders.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, bignok said:

Read up

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

I agree, you really do need to read up

 

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

This argument is untrue. Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left. A closer look at the connection between Nazism and socialism can help us better understand both ideologies in their historical contexts and their significance for contemporary politics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

 

[JackGats]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

So just because Hitler hated the Jews, and the Jews are/were not left wing, you conclude that Hitler wasn’t right wing? You will have to explain that piece of deduction to me.

Nazi = national socialism (Nationalsozialismus). So strictly speaking Hitler was a socialist.

[rudi49jr]

1 minute ago, JackGats said:

Nazi = national socialism (Nationalsozialismus). So strictly speaking Hitler was a socialist.

Now you’re nitpicking. You can put lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig. Hitler could have stuck feathers in his bottom and called himself an ostrich for all I care, he is and always will be the worst fascist dictator in history. 

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Nazi = national socialism (Nationalsozialismus). So strictly speaking Hitler was a socialist.

So Kim is a democrat.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea

[rudi49jr]

Just now, stevenl said:

So Kim is a democrat.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea

And the GDR (German Democratic Republic) wasn’t communist after all. Amazing!

[jak2002003]

3 hours ago, JackGats said:

Right-wing populist parties aren't fascists (why would they be?). They're anti-immigration, vaguely anti-EU and anti-NATO, opposed to climate hysteria and compulsory homosexuality, among other things. They gain traction, threatening the binary-trap monopoly of established parties. The latter then try every trick in the book to have them banned. Old guard clinging to power. Rings a bell.

 

What is 'compulsory homosexuality'?  ????

[Furioso]

5 hours ago, BangkokHank said:

This resurgence of the "far right" is Europe's only hope to save itself from the invading hordes of Muslim and African invaders. It can't happen fast enough, as far as I'm concerned. We need the same thing in the US as well.

I think it's way too late. I'm not right or left I just think only corporations run western countries. Even politicians are slaves to the evil doings of corps. And it's not just big corporations, even a lady running a small 5 person business uses the exact same playbook..which is to hire cheap labor and rake in all the profits. People have become weak, they either cannot or will not fight back. Actually, people are so dumbed down they don't know 1/10th of the truth.

 

What's weird is the west is still super strong and mostly stable. But, this is 2023, I have a feeling the west is really going to be a mess in 10 or 20 years. These are the good times, we should be celebrating no complaining. 

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, connda said:

"Far-right" is a pejorative term used to disparage large groups of citizens who refuse to cower to "Far-left" totalitarians who increasingly wield power via their 'public-private partnership' with Big Tech and Mass-Media.  You control the ungovernable by marginalizing them.  You marginalize them by repeating the pejorative over and over and over again and creating an environment of fear in the minds of those incapable of critical thought.

always just more conspiracy theories. That's all the right can do.

[NZAMBOY]

9 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

So just because Hitler hated the Jews, and the Jews are/were not left wing, you conclude that Hitler wasn’t right wing? You will have to explain that piece of deduction to me.

Hey, how about you define your version of "right wing"???

[bignok]

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

So Kim is a democrat.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea

He would be.

[BangkokHank]

13 hours ago, Keep Right said:

It is interesting that the far left has labeled anyone that is slightly to the right of their globalist, socialist ideology as being far. Mighty Rome finally fell to the barbarian German invaders such as the Goths and Vandals. Now socialist Germany is being invaded by the Muslims and Africans and those who want to put a stop to it are labeled as being "far right."

Exactly. Why don't they call people like us "anti-communists" or "anti-globalists"? That would be more honest, but it wouldn't have the effect that they desire.

[sherwood]

11 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

What is 'compulsory homosexuality'?  ????

Haha, leather clad tail gunners.

Nazis and poofs. Who needs em?