Trump vows to end ‘madness’ of EV push

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 9/7/2023 at 7:38 AM, bignok said:

Yanks can not change the climate. Basic math. Anyone who has read the studies knows this.

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Nonsense.

They can lead by example and they can fund R&D.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 9/7/2023 at 7:58 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

Why can’t I solve climate change without government involvement - well, that would be for the same reasons I didn’t invent and distribute my own Covid vaccine.

 

What a ridiculously stupid question.

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So you are doing nothing then?

[impulse]

  On 9/7/2023 at 7:16 AM, Srikcir said:

Biden has added over 759,000 new manufacturing jobs over the 2.5+ years in office and recently committed $200 billion to new projects.

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A turnip in office could have added over a million jobs as people came back to work from the Covid shutdowns.

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:01 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Soooooo, you're not a fan of democracy then? Only allow those that you approve of on ballots?

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If convicted felons lose the right to vote, should they not also lose the right to be on the ballot?

 

[alex8912]

  On 9/7/2023 at 6:42 AM, Berkshire said:

This thread is full of old guys opining.  But among younger people (and younger voters), climate change and the environment in general is about the most important issue in their lives.  Understandably so as they'll be around longer to deal with the consequences of man-made climate change.  So these old guys praising and worshiping Trump for his nutty beliefs, you're on the wrong side of history.   

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If climate change is the number one issue among younger voters why did only 51% of 18-24 year olds vote in the 2020 USA elections? 

[Berkshire]

  On 9/7/2023 at 7:25 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd believe that if I saw young people actually doing something about it if that what they believe, but I don't see anything that makes me believe they care.

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Hmmm.....you want to see young people doing something about it.  When Greta Thunberg travels the world to preach environmental awareness, are you one of those guys who attack her mercilessly? Or do you think there should be more like her?

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:02 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

So you are doing nothing then?

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Not true.

I do what I can and am supportive of government policies to do more. 
The fact is, individuals cannot have much impact individually - such a large problem requires mass effort across the globe and such efforts require government leadership.

 

[Berkshire]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:05 AM, alex8912 said:

If climate change is the number one issue among younger voters why did only 51% of 18-24 year olds vote in the 2020 USA elections? 

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I don't recall climate change being the dominate agenda in 2020, but I do recall Trump losing. 

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:09 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

Not true.

I do what I can and am supportive of government policies to do more. 
The fact is, individuals cannot have much impact individually - such a large problem requires mass effort across the globe and such efforts require government leadership.

 

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Rubbish. There are plenty of things individuals can do without Big Brother making them.

The best thing any individual can do is not have kids to pollute the world more. If the world's population was about 3 billion instead of 8 and rising the problem likely would not have been blamed on human activity.

[mikebike]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:05 AM, alex8912 said:

If climate change is the number one issue among younger voters why did only 51% of 18-24 year olds vote in the 2020 USA elections? 

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Which is the highest turnout for that demo since the 1960s. So what's yer point? 

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:05 AM, Berkshire said:

Hmmm.....you want to see young people doing something about it.  When Greta Thunberg travels the world to preach environmental awareness, are you one of those guys who attack her mercilessly? Or do you think there should be more like her?

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LOL. A shrill minor lambasting the UN was a bad joke. What did she achieve by it all anyway- zero that I've seen!

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:04 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

If convicted felons lose the right to vote, should they not also lose the right to be on the ballot?

 

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He didn't say anything about waiting for a conviction.

[alex8912]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:14 AM, mikebike said:

Which is the highest turnout for that demo since the 1960s. So what's yer point? 

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My point is quite simple. Another poster mentioned climate change was the most important issue for young voters. Only 51% voting is very low. Very simple point. Get it??

[ozimoron]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:10 AM, Berkshire said:

I don't recall climate change being the dominate agenda in 2020, but I do recall Trump losing. 

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Many people thought climate change was a strong factor in that election. Between abortion, the environment and climate change, Trump is on the nose.

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 9/7/2023 at 7:25 AM, Tippaporn said:

So?  Is that your justification for government subsidies?

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No, it’s my argument against statement:

 

“Governments shouldn't be in the business of subsidising anything, full stop.”

 

Clearly there are times when Government subsidies have very positive outcomes.

[alex8912]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:10 AM, Berkshire said:

I don't recall climate change being the dominate agenda in 2020, but I do recall Trump losing. 

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Your post above mentioned climate change being the most important issue for " young voters" after you insulted generally the entire population of this forum. Are you one of the boomers with poor memory? 

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:12 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. There are plenty of things individuals can do without Big Brother making them.

The best thing any individual can do is not have kids to pollute the world more. If the world's population was about 3 billion instead of 8 and rising the problem likely would not have been blamed on human activity.

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Sorry mate, I tend to stick to reality.

Sell your Kool Aid elsewhere.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:09 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

I do what I can and am supportive of government policies to do more. 

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and what "government policies" would they be? Pay more taxes? Far as I can see they have done sod all except talk a lot and go to conferences in exotic locations when they could have done it by videoconferencing.

Perhaps you mean "carbon credits", LOL.

[mikebike]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:17 AM, alex8912 said:

My point is quite simple. Another poster mentioned climate change was the most important issue for young voters. Only 51% voting is very low. Very simple point. Get it??

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No, it is QUITE HIGH for the demo you mentioned, get it? 

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:12 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. There are plenty of things individuals can do without Big Brother making them.

The best thing any individual can do is not have kids to pollute the world more. If the world's population was about 3 billion instead of 8 and rising the problem likely would not have been blamed on human activity.

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You bang on a lot about other people having kids.

 

Not so much about which kids grow up to create the most per capita pollution.

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:17 AM, alex8912 said:

My point is quite simple. Another poster mentioned climate change was the most important issue for young voters. Only 51% voting is very low. Very simple point. Get it??

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Your logic is flawed.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:20 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

and what "government policies" would they be? Pay more taxes? Far as I can see they have done sod all except talk a lot and go to conferences in exotic locations when they could have done it by videoconferencing.

Perhaps you mean "carbon credits", LOL.

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There’s an example in the OP.

 

Did you miss it?

[bignok]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:02 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

Nonsense.

They can lead by example and they can fund R&D.

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Spending billions to change temps by as little as 0.04 degrees is a waste of time and money.

[chacha boom]

  On 9/7/2023 at 2:46 AM, bignok said:

Tesla is 3/4 of the market. Shares been tanking.

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6 months: +29,98%

YTD: +133.04%

5 year: +1245.01%

 

I will make sure I get back to you for more financial advise!

[bignok]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:05 AM, Berkshire said:

Hmmm.....you want to see young people doing something about it.  When Greta Thunberg travels the world to preach environmental awareness, are you one of those guys who attack her mercilessly? Or do you think there should be more like her?

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She is a phony with rich parents.

[bignok]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:25 AM, chacha boom said:

6 months: +29,98%

YTD: +133.04%

5 year: +1245.01%

 

I will make sure I get back to you for more financial advise!

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Bs numbers

[MrMojoRisin]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:25 AM, bignok said:

Spending billions to change temps by as little as 0.04 degrees is a waste of time and money.

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Where and when did you get your degree in climatology?

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:12 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. There are plenty of things individuals can do without Big Brother making them.

The best thing any individual can do is not have kids to pollute the world more. If the world's population was about 3 billion instead of 8 and rising the problem likely would not have been blamed on human activity.

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If only the Thunbergs had heeded your advice...

[alex8912]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:22 AM, mikebike said:

No, it is QUITE HIGH for the demo you mentioned, get it? 

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No. When almost 1/2 don't vote but others ( like you ) think that is impressive or " QUITE HIGH" and others even SAY it's the number one important issue for a " demo". Then your blinders or pure stubbornness are infiltrating your thought process. 

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 9/7/2023 at 8:20 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

and what "government policies" would they be? Pay more taxes? Far as I can see they have done sod all except talk a lot and go to conferences in exotic locations when they could have done it by videoconferencing.

Perhaps you mean "carbon credits", LOL.

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Here’s another, investing in public transport, safer cleaner and creating well paid jobs in America:

 

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/04/06/public-transit-investment-infrastructure-biden