Trump vows to end ‘madness’ of EV push

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what "government policies" would they be? Pay more taxes? Far as I can see they have done sod all except talk a lot and go to conferences in exotic locations when they could have done it by videoconferencing.

Perhaps you mean "carbon credits", LOL.

Here’s another, investing in public transport, safer cleaner and creating well paid jobs in America:

 

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/04/06/public-transit-investment-infrastructure-biden

[bignok]

Tesla was over $400 in late 2021, $251 now. A decline of 37%

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

If only the Thunbergs had heeded your advice...

If only Trump's dad had worn a condom.

[mikebike]

Just now, alex8912 said:

No. When almost 1/2 don't vote but others ( like you ) think that is impressive or " QUITE HIGH" and others even SAY it's the number one important issue for a " demo". Then your blinders or pure stubbornness are infiltrating your thought process. 

It's ok if you do not understand statistics, just say so, no need to blather on incoherently. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

Tesla was over $400 in late 2021, $251 now. A decline of 37%

Perhaps it was over priced or perhaps it’s now facing growing competition from other EV manufacturers.

 

Meanwhile the sale of EVs is booming.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, mikebike said:

It's ok if you do not understand statistics, just say so, no need to blather on incoherently. 

Nonsense. 50% means half dont care enough to vote. Thats millions of people. 90% voting would be high.

[Tippaporn]

35 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

As opposed to someone that has let an invasion of the country by undocumented migrants happen ? 3 million souls to be fed and housed by the US tax payer - even the Dem states are critical of the head silly old fool allowing their states to be overrun 

I agree wholeheartedly except that it's much, much more than 3 million.  Current estimates, I believe, are the same number of people inhabiting the Los Angeles metro area.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, bignok said:

Nonsense. 50% means half dont care enough to vote. Thats millions of people. 90% voting would be high.

But those that do are voting Liberal and not turning Conservative as they age.

[bignok]

7 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Where and when did you get your degree in climatology?

 

 

 

 

I read the IPCC reports.

[bignok]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

If only the Thunbergs had heeded your advice...

They are on the con to make money.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, bignok said:

They are on the con to make money.

Snide allegation 

[JBChiangRai]

7 minutes ago, bignok said:

I read the IPCC reports.

They must have lots of pretty pictures for you.

[alex8912]

2 minutes ago, mikebike said:

It's ok if you do not understand statistics, just say so, no need to blather on incoherently. 

I took and understand statistics quite well. You are saying as a percentage nearly half of a demographic NOT VOTING in the 2020 USA elections is an awesome stat. I'm not talking about the 1960's or 1970's etc.  Nothing incoherent going on here.  Don't try to pretend that 18-24 year olds care about climate change so much when they don't even lift a PEN in their home and then drop a ballad in the mail. 

[bignok]

4 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

I took and understand statistics quite well. You are saying as a percentage nearly half of a demographic NOT VOTING in the 2020 USA elections is an awesome stat. I'm not talking about the 1960's or 1970's etc.  Nothing incoherent going on here.  Don't try to pretend that 18-24 year olds care about climate change so much when they don't even lift a PEN in their home and then drop a ballad in the mail. 

Average 20yo is an idiot. They care about tik tok and cheap beer.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

I took and understand statistics quite well. You are saying as a percentage nearly half of a demographic NOT VOTING in the 2020 USA elections is an awesome stat. I'm not talking about the 1960's or 1970's etc.  Nothing incoherent going on here.  Don't try to pretend that 18-24 year olds care about climate change so much when they don't even lift a PEN in their home and then drop a ballad in the mail. 

What does the data on EV sales tell you?

[BusyB]

On 9/6/2023 at 5:53 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump thinks he can outsmart market forces.

 

Unfortunately too many Americans think he can as well.

[alex8912]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But those that do are voting Liberal and not turning Conservative as they age.

So you know the " whopping " 1/2 of 18-24 year old voters ( who voted)  in the 2020 USA elections all voted " liberal" ? That is now a category in USA elections?! 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

Average 20yo is an idiot. They care about tik tok and cheap beer.

 

2 minutes ago, bignok said:

Research is useful. Cutting and pasting nonsense like you is just gibberish. Lefties love to live in ignorance though.

Ignorance you say.

[richard_smith237]

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I'm no fan of Trump but he's bang on the money here.

 

Chinese manufactured EV's are not the answer to the dubious claims of the eco warriors. Even if the doomsday cult of climate alarmism had some merit (which it doesn't), switching from mining for gas/coal to mining for precious metals (and then charging the batteries made of those precious metals with electricity primarily generated from gas/coal) is a ridiculous concept.

 

Agree....    I'd like to see more efforts made towards carbon capture.

 

At the point (time) of sale EV's are far more 'carbon costly' than ICE's and take years to reach equilibrium (up to 8 years). 

 

I like the idea of EV's keeping the air in our cities cleaner, but capture tech could also do the same thing and a new pollution tech (batteries with heavy metals) is not being relied up.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, BusyB said:

Unfortunately too many Americans think he can as well.

Perhaps many, but not enough.

[bignok]

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

They must have lots of pretty pictures for you.

I understand math and science very well. Most on here don't know the basics. I see you are one of them.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Agree....    I'd like to see more efforts made towards carbon capture.

 

At the point (time) of sale EV's are far more 'carbon costly' than ICE's and take years to reach equilibrium (up to 8 years). 

 

I like the idea of EV's keeping the air in our cities cleaner, but capture tech could also do the same thing and a new pollution tech (batteries with heavy metals) is not being relied up.

Why? Co2 fuels the planet.

[MrMojoRisin]

8 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

I took and understand statistics quite well. You are saying as a percentage nearly half of a demographic NOT VOTING in the 2020 USA elections is an awesome stat. I'm not talking about the 1960's or 1970's etc.  Nothing incoherent going on here.  Don't try to pretend that 18-24 year olds care about climate change so much when they don't even lift a PEN in their home and then drop a ballad in the mail. 

The youth vote in the 2020 election was the highest since the 1972 election. 

1. Vietnam war

2. Climate change

 

Both issues that disproportionately impact the young.

[alex8912]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What does the data on EV sales tell you?

First and foremost it tells me Chomper Higgot likes to deflect. If climate change is important to 18-24 year olds they would actually pick up a pen, fill in a ballad while watching a tic tok video about a guy eating super spicy chips or twerking and then walk ( or burn fossil fuels driving ) to a mail box again watching a tic tok video about the wonders of Ozempic injections " not just for diabetes but now for weight loss" and then drop the ballad in the mail. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by alex8912

[bignok]

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The youth vote in the 2020 election was the highest since the 1972 election. 

1. Vietnam war

2. Climate change

 

Both issues that disproportionately impact the young.

No they dont.

[impulse]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What does the data on EV sales tell you?

I don't know about sales, but the right wing coconut telegraph is saying there's a tremendous buildup in inventories of unsold EV's on the lot as everyone who wants one (and can afford it) has already bought.

 

I'm all for EV's  If I ever go back to being a 2 car family (of one person), my primary car will be an EV for getting around town and about 80-90% of my miles.  The other will still be an ICE for those long trips and the days that they tell us it's gonna be hot, so cut back on your electrical use.

 

I'm not even against subsidies in early days to help push the technology along.  What I am against is mandates, and quotas.  And long term subsidies.  Not to mention EV's getting a free ride on road taxes (no tax at the pump...) while they weigh more and create more wear and tear on the roads.  But that's gonna be the gotcha for EV buyers.  (Once they get to a critical mass, they'll figure out a way to get those road taxes out of EV drivers.  Right now, they're afraid to spook 'em)

 

Edit:  And my fear is that they'll charge EV's by the mile driven to recoup the road taxes, and that will eventually trickle down to ICE's.  The next diabolical step is requiring our cars to phone in to report how much we're driving, and where (by GPS)

 

I freely admit I'm a conspiracy wingnut.  But we're getting it right a lot lately.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by impulse

[alex8912]

39 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Your logic is flawed.

 

 

How? It's stats that are true. Young voters don't care and don't vote. 

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, bignok said:

No they dont.

Yes they do.

 

1. it is the young who get sent to war to die

 

2. the young are going to outlive the old and therefore will suffer the negative effects of climate change for many years more than the old.

 

Surprise, surprise - you’re wrong again.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

How? It's stats that are true. Young voters don't care and don't vote. 

Climate change can be the most important issue for young voters even if voter turnout from that group is zero.

 

Correlation/Causation Fallacy:

If two things appear to be correlated, this doesn't necessarily indicate that one of those things irrefutably caused the other thing.

[bignok]

7 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yes they do.

 

1. it is the young who get sent to war to die

 

2. the young are going to outlive the old and therefore will suffer the negative effects of climate change for many years more than the old.

 

Surprise, surprise - you’re wrong again.

Nonsense. Nobody has died from climate change.