Trump asks judge in federal elections case to step aside

[ozimoron]

It’s time to tell the truth about Trump: he’s been an agent of organized crime and foreign governments for decades. And he’s continuing his work for Putin, Xi, Erdogan, and MBS — undermining Americans’ faith in democracy — to this day.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-erdogan/

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by ozimoron

[earlinclaifornia]

She has over thirty cases solved from January 6th trials. Completely qualified to try the EX.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Because the motion for recusal is based upon writings and verbal comments the Judge has said before Trump was served with the indictment.

Do you disagree with the judge?

 

She correctly stated that convicted rioters were motivated by blind loyalty to Trump. That's actually true.

 

The question is if Trump did anything illegal related to January 6. That's to be litigated.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Danderman123

[uncletiger]

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

You are completely deluded - in the same summing up she said the man responsible - Trump - should already be in prison ! How on earth can someone get a fair trial when a judge has already said you should be in prison. Funny how the left want to ignore the judges previous comments about Trump 

Funny how the Trumpists and the MAGAtrons want to forget about the 91 charges against Trump. The charges that were brought by those ordinary US citizens who sat on various grand juries and special grand juries. 

 

Of course if you believe them (and you are perfectly welcome to do that), Trump is perfect, whiter than snow and has never done a thing wrong in his life.  

 

Meanwhile in the real world the people Trump has cheated, lied to, lied about, stolen from, bankrupted, assaulted, had their p(deleted)y grabbed may well disagree with you.

Edited September 12, 2023 by billd766
corrected some bad spelling

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

Somebody designed a massive operation so carefully that nobody knows what's really going on? Really?

[earlinclaifornia]

6 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

Straight out of QAnon! Wow

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

Hurrah, the world is safe because you don't believe the members of all the grand juries and special juries in many counties and states of the USA.

 

No matter that they have sat through hour and days of testimonies, (which you obviously have not). Because you don't don't believe it, then it isn't true.

 

I am sure that all of those people will be glad to admit that they were wrong.

[transam]

15 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

A funny read...........................????

[RanongCat]

5 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

Trumps best defence in all 91 charges is that he is not mentally competent to stand trial. He already has numerous public statements by leading psychologists and psychiatrists that he is mentally immature and suffers numerous mental problems.

The moment Trump allows that as defense he is disqualified for election as Presidento ! 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

Can you share with us anything else that Q or their successor has told you?

Edited September 12, 2023 by placeholder

[Tug]

If our posts on this thread are any indication of trump’s attempts to try his case in the court of public opinion he’s failing bigley .lol ???? as far as his case in the courts there is massive amounts of evidence against him .he’s toast burnt to a crisp toast this in my humble opinion. Its just a delaying tactic ,it might buy him some time on appeal no more than that. frustrating to be sure but it’s coming trump and just think he’s going to be locked up with lots of folks HE put there .sleep well mr trump retribution is coming closer every day

[kwonitoy]

2 hours ago, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

Preparing for the "storm" are you? 

Buy lots of canned and dry food and lots of ammo of course.

The scary thing is that there are too many people who hold the same belief's as you

[ozimoron]

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that the four separate criminal cases against former U.S. President Donald Trump are politically motivated.

 

In the same remarks, Putin went on to praise billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk, who he described as an “active, talented businessman” and “an outstanding person.” In recent days, Musk has been under fire for purportedly thwarting a planned Ukrainian drone strike on Russian-occupied Crimea.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/charges-against-donald-trump-are-politically-motivated-vladimir-putin-says-russia-us/

[jerrymahoney]

10 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Do you disagree with the judge?

 

She correctly stated that convicted rioters were motivated by blind loyalty to Trump. That's actually true.

 

The question is if Trump did anything illegal related to January 6. That's to be litigated.

From the Washington Post article linked earlier:

 

Attorneys for Donald Trump on Monday asked U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan to disqualify herself from presiding over Trump’s federal election obstruction case, saying Chutkan appears to have prejudged the former president’s guilt based on statements she made in past cases involving Jan. 6, 2021, riot defendants.

 

The question raised in the recusal motion is not that anything the judge said is incorrect but whether it is prejudicial.

 

The response from the prosecution is due Thursday Washington DC time.

[LosLobo]

Trump also asks House GOP to impeach Biden and McCarthy has acceded.

 

Obviously, the GOP have evidence and being the law-and-order party and believer of equal justice under the law, will follow up this proposed inquiry with a similar inquiry on the Trump crime family including son-in-law Kushner. 

 

McCarthy, Under Threat From Right, Orders Biden Impeachment Inquiry - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

McCarthy, Under Threat From Right, Orders Biden Impeachment Inquiry - The New York Times (archive.md)

Edited September 13, 2023 by LosLobo

[ozimoron]

'The Left’s bloodlust': Trump codefendant Jeff Clark lashes out at legal experts

 

Clark said Kirschner "has been on a constant kick saying Donald Trump’s political speech is poisoning the jury pool."

 

"No, Trump is just defending himself and simultaneously campaigning for President, so he can once again do good for his countrymen, such as lowering energy prices, raising standards of living, and stopping communist China’s inroads into the USA."

 

"I’m convinced they’re being paid for, or at least were seeded by, Arabella Partners, Soros, Omidyar, or some leftist billionaire or outfit or other.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/jeff-clark-soros/

 

 

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

21 hours ago, uncletiger said:

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

What does it mean when you say this "is an active military operation"?

 

Do you honestly believe that the US military is carrying out covert operations on US soil?

 

I'd like to have some of what you're smoking.

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

What does it mean when you say this "is an active military operation"?

 

Do you honestly believe that the US military is carrying out covert operations on US soil?

 

I'd like to have some of what you're smoking.

If that is what he comes up with, I would rather stay as I am.

[impulse]

The TDS is strong with this group.  Heavy on the D.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

The TDS is strong with this group.  Heavy on the D.

Jack Smith has a bad case of it as well.

[Danderman123]

Trump is going to be in and out of court for the rest of his life.

[heybruce]

On 9/12/2023 at 7:19 AM, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

Are you the new troll from Conspiracy-Theories-R-US? 

 

"Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here."

 

If you would actually provide specific acts of illegal activities credible facts to support your claims you might convince some people. 

 

[Danderman123]

On 9/12/2023 at 6:19 PM, uncletiger said:

Good for Trump. The judge should step aside.

 

Amazing how many people on this forum really don't understand what is happening here.  No, Trump is not the bad guy. He's not panicking. He's not worried about jail. He *is* intentionally provoking people so that they will show their true biases. The last several years have been a massive sting operation, and he's still poking to see which judges and federal employees are loyal to their oaths merely acting out of conscience, and how many are actively biased in favor of the globalist mafia and against justice and the American people.

 

Oh yes. The US justice system is riddled with corrupt actors who have been bought off by the globalist mafia. No different than Chicago or New York and the Italian mafia in the early 20th century, just on a global scale instead of a municipal one. Getting these people to incriminate themselves takes time and skill.  What is happening right now is all scripted and designed to spread as wide a trap as possible.  If you honestly believe Trump is in danger of being jailed you have not been paying attention at all. Stop listening to the legacy media outlets.

 

This is not about Trump. It is an active military operation of which Trump is just one part. There is so much going on underneath the surface of what the media is reporting that nobody truly knows the scope. That is by design. Really look at the nonsense that is happening today. Reality is not this ridiculous. People aren't this stupid. They're following scripts. But what is clear is that at some indeterminate point in the future, the covert sting operation will end, and the public declas and disclosure portion will begin.

 

In the mean time, innocent people are getting hurt, wrongfully convicted, and misled. Keep this in mind while you are forming your opinions. Because only one thing is true. None of us have the slightest clue about the totality of what is actually happening. But we should all be painfully aware that forces from both sides are trying to manipulate our perspectives.

 

As for me, I'll still be voting for Trump in 2024. Because I've seen nothing convincing that he did anything wrong. But I've seen a lot to convince me that the US justice system is being used as a political weapon.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

 

For reference, here are some past QAnon predictions:

 

Hillary Clinton was about to be arrested and would attempt to flee the country

John Podesta would be arrested on November 3, 2017, and public riots would be organized to try and prevent the arrest of other public officials

A major event involving the Department of Defense would take place on February 1, 2018

People targeted by Trump would commit suicide en masse on February 10, 2018

There would be a car bombing in London around February 16, 2018

A "smoking gun" video of Hillary Clinton would emerge in March 2018

Something major would happen in Chongqing on April 10, 2018

There would be a "bombshell" revelation about North Korea in May 2018

The Trump military parade would "never be forgotten"

The Five Eyes "won't be around much longer"

Mark Zuckerberg was going to leave Facebook and flee the United States

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey would be forced to resign "next" (in the context of the prediction of Zuckerberg's resignation)

Pope Francis would have a "terrible May" in 2018

[Danderman123]

"Trump Suffers Court Loss".

 

I see that headline every day.

[Skipalongcassidy]

"The Gang of Haters" are out in force reveling in their collective disdain for Trump... Trump wins hands down... he lives in their minds like no other... he blinds them to reality of today and the mess that is going on now... without him they have no purpose in life.. they might as well be dead.

[placeholder]

57 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

"The Gang of Haters" are out in force reveling in their collective disdain for Trump... Trump wins hands down... he lives in their minds like no other... he blinds them to reality of today and the mess that is going on now... without him they have no purpose in life.. they might as well be dead.

Given your clear adulation of Trump, it's no surprise that you regard his critics like this. Hero worshipping much?

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

"The Gang of Haters" are out in force reveling in their collective disdain for Trump... Trump wins hands down... he lives in their minds like no other... he blinds them to reality of today and the mess that is going on now... without him they have no purpose in life.. they might as well be dead.

You don't hate Biden?

[Skipalongcassidy]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Given your clear adulation of Trump, it's no surprise that you regard his critics like this. Hero worshipping much?

I have stated many times and will do so once again... I have never liked Trump... I liked some of his accomplishments in making America prosperous, but have always regarded him as a narcissistic ass and all around <deleted>... so move on 

[Skipalongcassidy]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

You don't hate Biden?

I do not like what Biden and his handlers have done to the USA... I do not hate Biden, I feel sorry that his ego let him be dragged into something so far over his head that it is frightening... Joe is not all there and Joe has shown nothing but disdain for the citizenry for whatever his reasons.