Thailand’s e-cigarette ban draws ‘smokin’ support from concerned parents

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The ban on the import and sale of e-cigarettes in Thailand gained substantial approval, primarily from parents of students, as a recent survey conducted by the Research Centre for Social and Business Development (SAB) revealed. The majority of respondents voiced concerns over potential health risks, urging the government to keep the prohibition in place.

 

The SAB unveiled these results during a seminar on Wednesday, where they presented their extensive survey findings to an audience of teachers and parents. The Deputy Director of SAB, Suriyan Boontae highlighted that out of 5,582 respondents from across the country, an overwhelming 91% backed the continuation of the e-cigarette ban, believing it would reduce young people’s exposure to smoking.

 

The study population primarily comprised 4,087 parents of students from upper primary schools to high schools. The remaining participants were school teachers and administrators. A significant 80% of those surveyed were aware of the detrimental health impacts of smoking e-cigarettes. An equal percentage perceived e-cigarettes as a potential gateway to illicit drug use.

Asst Professor Dr Vijj Kasemsap, Director of the Tobacco Control Research and Knowledge Management Centre (TRC), seized this opportunity to address the newly formed administration. He stressed the importance of a united front from the ministries of public health, commerce and finance, and their executives, along with the Consumer Protection Commission, to uphold the ban on the import and sale of e-cigarettes.

 

by Atima Homtientong

Picture courtesy of Bangkok Post

 

Full story: The Thaiger 2023-09-15

 

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[bang saen guy]

Brought to you from the tobacco monopoly

[bob smith]

and yet real cigarettes that have been scientifically proven to cause cancer are still available in shops.

 

Vaping is up to 95% less harmful for you than smoking, according to the latest studies from the scientific community.

 

I guess that Thai parents have been watching too much tiktok recently...

[sidneybear]

But kids can scramble their brains by smoking weed. 

[bob smith]

3 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

But kids can scramble their brains by smoking weed. 

don't you mean freeing their brains?

[sidneybear]

1 hour ago, bob smith said:

don't you mean freeing their brains?

No, I don't mean that. 

[Hervey Bay]

On 9/15/2023 at 3:15 PM, bob smith said:

 

 

Vaping is up to 95% less harmful for you than smoking, according to the latest studies from the scientific community.

 

 

That is not at all true. 

In the short term, some young people develop very serious lung problems as a result. And furthermore, vaping has become a HUGE problem amongst teenagers here in Australia.

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, Hervey Bay said:

And furthermore, vaping has become a HUGE problem amongst teenagers here in Australia.

What are the issues? Would you say vaping is worse than the smoking of regular cigarettes? Hard to get a definitive answer, but I thought vaping was far less damaging to health.. particularly wrt second hand smoke, which is how it impacts me. 

[bob smith]

2 hours ago, Hervey Bay said:

That is not at all true. 

In the short term, some young people develop very serious lung problems as a result. And furthermore, vaping has become a HUGE problem amongst teenagers here in Australia.

can you provide some solid proof please, not scaremongering tiktok content. 

 

thanks.

[bob smith]

26 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

but I thought vaping was far less damaging to health..

it is.

[fondue zoo]

 

Of course human lungs are not meant to breathe in anything but the atmosphere for which we are designed.

So why are so many voluntarily inhaling intoxicants of varying natures throughout history?

Because we are a creature of chemical reactions and altering the balances makes us feel good/different. 

As a species we've been doing that to ourselves for millennia in very inventive ways.

It's the motivation to do so and lack of control that is the problem. Alcohol, tobacco, coffee, sugar, or any drug of choice - handle your high.

 

The puritans can beat their drums loudly as is their want but it makes no difference.

I suspect that even if we lived in a utopia of some sort humans would still seek out ways to 'alter' the experience.

 

_{<two cents only, it's a complex issue, with black, white and a lot of grey areas, and yes the kids.>}

 

[stoner]

On 9/15/2023 at 12:25 PM, bob smith said:

On 9/15/2023 at 12:21 PM, sidneybear said:

But kids can scramble their brains by smoking weed. 

don't you mean freeing their brains?

it's not good for kids bob.

 

the human brain is still developing into the early 20's. cannabis use in teens does pose a large number of issues. 

[bamnutsak]

As there is already a ban on e-cigarettes this sort of activity seems to be focused on both maintaining the current status quo, and also asking for additional controls, and more aggressive enforcement of the ban.

 

Anti-smoking groups, which are also anti-vaping, here are always pushing for more aggressive controls. They've even proposed limiting foreign visitors to one pack (vs. 10 now) as a duty-free allowance.

 

A few politicians have been pushing for normalization of vaping products here. And even Chuwit is pro-vaping. SO this push is to counteract those efforts.

 

I understand the need to protect those under 18, but allowing adults to make reasonable lifestyle choices, which do not impact others, is something I would favor. I am neither a smoker nor a vaper, but I'm not going to try and control or influence others.

 

And banning something really only encourages those under 18 to dabble.

 

 

 

[Hervey Bay]

54 minutes ago, bob smith said:

can you provide some solid proof please, not scaremongering tiktok content. 

 

thanks.

I am not going to hunt around to look for evidence to try to convince you, Bob, as I suspect that you are either a closed-minded person or one of the forum trolls.

 

I have read quite a few news articles on Yahoo News and other news sites about young people having very sudden and serious lung issues due to vaping. I'll let you search for them yourself.

[bob smith]

5 minutes ago, Hervey Bay said:

I am not going to hunt around to look for evidence to try to convince you, Bob, as I suspect that you are either a closed-minded person or one of the forum trolls.

 

I have read quite a few news articles on Yahoo News and other news sites about young people having very sudden and serious lung issues due to vaping. I'll let you search for them yourself.

I only trust factual studies from within the scientific community, not some random articles on Yahoo news.

 

I think i'll pass.

[Hervey Bay]

On second thought, here are the first of many, many reports . They are hardly random.  And these are not even the first page of Google results. Would you like me to post all the links from pages 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 ???

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/health/teen-vaping-death.html

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/aug/03/victorian-student-found-unconscious-after-vaping-and-taken-to-hospital

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/teen-nearly-dies-from-vaping-left-with-permanently-damaged-lungs/news-story/a557d95fe2c62837883b242ef6147c93

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/boy-12-dies-and-two-teen-girls-hospital-after-vaping-session-052607594.html

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-woman-warns-vaping-dangers-teen-stepsons-sudden-death-we-had-no-clue

 

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/russian-boy-dies-teen-sister-in-hospital-and-friend-in-coma-after-sleepover-vaping-session-c-5293943

 

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/sydney-teenager-dakota-stephenson-treated-in-icu-for-evali-a-lung-conditon-linked-to-vaping-c-4232124

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boy-dies-teen-sister-two-25927962

 

https://www.insideedition.com/north-carolina-mom-warns-about-potential-dangers-of-vaping-after-15-year-old-stepson-dies-82403

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12352437/Solomon-Wynn-North-Carolina-football-star-dead-vaping-saw-develop-heart-condition.html

 

https://www.insider.com/15-year-old-died-vaping-youngest-vaping-death-2020-1

 

 

[BenStark]

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping

 

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

[bob smith]

19 minutes ago, Hervey Bay said:

On second thought, here are the first of many, many reports . They are hardly random.  And these are not even the first page of Google results. Would you like me to post all the links from pages 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 ???

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/health/teen-vaping-death.html

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/aug/03/victorian-student-found-unconscious-after-vaping-and-taken-to-hospital

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/teen-nearly-dies-from-vaping-left-with-permanently-damaged-lungs/news-story/a557d95fe2c62837883b242ef6147c93

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/boy-12-dies-and-two-teen-girls-hospital-after-vaping-session-052607594.html

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-woman-warns-vaping-dangers-teen-stepsons-sudden-death-we-had-no-clue

 

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/russian-boy-dies-teen-sister-in-hospital-and-friend-in-coma-after-sleepover-vaping-session-c-5293943

 

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/sydney-teenager-dakota-stephenson-treated-in-icu-for-evali-a-lung-conditon-linked-to-vaping-c-4232124

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boy-dies-teen-sister-two-25927962

 

https://www.insideedition.com/north-carolina-mom-warns-about-potential-dangers-of-vaping-after-15-year-old-stepson-dies-82403

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12352437/Solomon-Wynn-North-Carolina-football-star-dead-vaping-saw-develop-heart-condition.html

 

https://www.insider.com/15-year-old-died-vaping-youngest-vaping-death-2020-1

 

 

all fear mongering designed to protect the big tobacco firms.

 

what about kids smoking real fags. does that bother you as much as vaping does?

I used to smoke as a kid, so did all my mates.

 

Vaping is just the new thing. And it is safer than puffing on a Woodbine. 

[impulse]

55 minutes ago, stoner said:

it's not good for kids bob.

 

the human brain is still developing into the early 20's. cannabis use in teens does pose a large number of issues. 

Agreed, and if it's a choice between weed and nothing, obviously "nothing" is safer.  If it's a choice between vaping and nothing, "nothing" is safer. 

 

But if it's a choice between smoking and vaping and between weed or booze, weed and vaping are both safer.

 

I'd like to see the studies that look at the whole picture.  For example, weed related car crashes and alcohol related car crashes, added up.  Did they go up or down when weed was legalized?

 

As an example, I can 100% predict that car wrecks would increase if they banned scooters in Thailand.  No scooters, more cars, more car wrecks.  But the number of deaths would go down.

 

[retarius]

4 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

As there is already a ban on e-cigarettes this sort of activity seems to be focused on both maintaining the current status quo, and also asking for additional controls, and more aggressive enforcement of the ban.

 

Anti-smoking groups, which are also anti-vaping, here are always pushing for more aggressive controls. They've even proposed limiting foreign visitors to one pack (vs. 10 now) as a duty-free allowance.

 

A few politicians have been pushing for normalization of vaping products here. And even Chuwit is pro-vaping. SO this push is to counteract those efforts.

 

I understand the need to protect those under 18, but allowing adults to make reasonable lifestyle choices, which do not impact others, is something I would favor. I am neither a smoker nor a vaper, but I'm not going to try and control or influence others.

 

And banning something really only encourages those under 18 to dabble.

 

 

 

You know what, I don't smoke and I don't vape, and I rarely drink, and never get drunk. I am sick to death of things being banned. I want there freedom to do what I want as long as it doesn't harm others, not have a bunch of bigots telling make what I can and can't do.

[bang saen guy]

If the govt would just tax e cigs, there would ne no issue. Of course vaping is safer than smoking but makes the tobacco no money

[brianthainess]

Now do a survey of adults about vaping,  Kids shouldn't be inhaling anything anyway, make it legal and tax it, and put an age limit on it. Why should adults suffer becoz of kids, as with the alcohol time buying times, if adults don't sell to kids then there is no problem? You can't stop people buying illegal stuff on FB etc. like Guns and here you never will.

[still kicking]

On 9/15/2023 at 1:15 PM, bob smith said:

and yet real cigarettes that have been scientifically proven to cause cancer are still available in shops.

 

Vaping is up to 95% less harmful for you than smoking, according to the latest studies from the scientific community.

 

I guess that Thai parents have been watching too much tiktok recently...

Same nonsense from you again E-cigarettes are banned in many countries 

[still kicking]

On 9/15/2023 at 1:15 PM, bob smith said:

and yet real cigarettes that have been scientifically proven to cause cancer are still available in shops.

 

Vaping is up to 95% less harmful for you than smoking, according to the latest studies from the scientific community.

 

I guess that Thai parents have been watching too much tiktok recently...

Are e-cigarettes safe?

No. Even though scientists are still learning about e-cigarettes, they do not consider them safe.

Hazardous substances have been found in e-cigarette liquids and in the aerosol produced by e-cigarettes, including these known cancer-causing agents:

• formaldehyde
• acetaldehyde
• acrolein.

Some chemicals in e-cigarette aerosols can also cause DNA damage.

E-cigarettes do not produce the tar produced by conventional cigarettes which is the main cause of lung cancer. However, many scientists are concerned that using e-cigarettes could increase risk of lung disease, heart disease and cancer.

Research also shows:

• a strong association between the use of e-cigarettes by non-smoking youth and future smoking
• that many e-cigarette users appear to be continuing to use conventional tobacco products at the same time (dual users). However, this is not a safe way to improve heath. Dual users may be exposing themselves to even higher levels of toxicants compared to people who solely use conventional tobacco products.

It can be hard to assess the safety of e-cigarettes and liquids because:

• there are a wide variety of devices and liquids sold
• their labels are often incomplete or incorrect
• users can change the liquid they use in their e-cigarette and how the device operates
• many diseases (such as cancer) take a long time to develop.

[Stocky]

On 9/15/2023 at 6:15 AM, bob smith said:

Vaping is up to 95% less harmful for you than smoking, according to the latest studies from the scientific community.

Would you care to substantiate this?

95% is rather a certain number in as yet very uncertain field of study.

[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, bob smith said:

it is.

Then better to push it and get rid of the old fashioned cigarettes!

[Hervey Bay]

23 hours ago, bob smith said:

all fear mongering designed to protect the big tobacco firms.

 

 

They are news reports from many different sources, all around the world.

 

You are behaving like either a troll or an idiot. Or both.