Trump co-defendant pleads guilty in Georgia election case

[candide]

The ex-president promised yet again on Friday to produce irrefutable evidence in court that he got robbed of a victory after lying about his election loss for three years.

“Massive information and 100% evidence will be made available during the Corrupt Trials started by our Political Opponent,” he wrote on Truth Social. “We will never let 2020 happen again. Look at the result, OUR COUNTRY IS BEING DESTROYED. MAGA!!!” 😂

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-promises-100-evidence-172734125.html

 

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, candide said:

The ex-president promised yet again on Friday to produce irrefutable evidence in court that he got robbed of a victory after lying about his election loss for three years.

“Massive information and 100% evidence will be made available during the Corrupt Trials started by our Political Opponent,” he wrote on Truth Social. “We will never let 2020 happen again. Look at the result, OUR COUNTRY IS BEING DESTROYED. MAGA!!!” 😂

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-promises-100-evidence-172734125.html

 

For the Trump fans here, if the trial ends without Trump providing such evidence, would that be enough to prove to you that he is a scammer?

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

For the Trump fans here, if the trial ends without Trump providing such evidence, would that be enough to prove to you that he is a scammer?

He will produce the evidence, like he produced his tax returns. 🤣

In the end if he is not elected president again, he will claim poor health ,take a plea deal  and fade to obscurity,

People like him don't go to jail.  

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

For the Trump fans here, if the trial ends without Trump providing such evidence, would that be enough to prove to you that he is a scammer?

I remember asking this question at the time they were all excited by the kraken and various other court filings, petitions, recounts, audits, etc.. "If it fails, will you believe Biden won?" 3 years later, they still believe the Big Lie. 😃

[Danderman123]

The bigger significance of Powell's defection is that Trump claims that Powell was not his attorney. That means that any discussion that Trump had with his actual attorney where Powell happened to be present is no longer priviledged.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

21 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The bigger significance of Powell's defection is that Trump claims that Powell was not his attorney. That means that any discussion that Trump had with his actual attorney where Powell happened to be present is no longer priviledged.

 

 

The Chesebro and Powell plea deals could be a nail in Trump’s legal coffin

Oct. 21, 2023, 5:00 PM +07

 

None of this is to suggest that their testimony will necessarily be convincing. Cooperating witnesses, by definition, are criminals — they committed crimes, pled guilty to those crimes and agreed to testify truthfully against others — and rebuilding her credibility for a trial jury will be no easy task for prosecutors.

 

For example, there is plenty of video of Powell making outrageous — and ultimately false — claims of election fraud. Defense attorneys will vigorously cross-examine her along the lines of, “Were you lying then or are you lying now?”

 

You can see how cross-examination of Powell might unfold: “Ms. Powell, you were facing the rest of your life in prison, but all you had to do was falsely implicate Donald Trump to receive an obscenely lenient plea deal. Ms. Powell, you would have said anything DA Willis wanted you to say to avoid jail, isn’t that right?” Prosecutors will need lots of hard corroboration — emails, texts, notes, recordings — for Powell and Chesebro’s testimony.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/kenneth-chesebro-sidney-powells-pleas-mean-trump-rcna121386

 

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1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

The Chesebro and Powell plea deals could be a nail in Trump’s legal coffin

Oct. 21, 2023, 5:00 PM +07

 

None of this is to suggest that their testimony will necessarily be convincing. Cooperating witnesses, by definition, are criminals — they committed crimes, pled guilty to those crimes and agreed to testify truthfully against others — and rebuilding her credibility for a trial jury will be no easy task for prosecutors.

 

For example, there is plenty of video of Powell making outrageous — and ultimately false — claims of election fraud. Defense attorneys will vigorously cross-examine her along the lines of, “Were you lying then or are you lying now?”

 

You can see how cross-examination of Powell might unfold: “Ms. Powell, you were facing the rest of your life in prison, but all you had to do was falsely implicate Donald Trump to receive an obscenely lenient plea deal. Ms. Powell, you would have said anything DA Willis wanted you to say to avoid jail, isn’t that right?” Prosecutors will need lots of hard corroboration — emails, texts, notes, recordings — for Powell and Chesebro’s testimony.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/kenneth-chesebro-sidney-powells-pleas-mean-trump-rcna121386

 

Actually, prosecutors will have lots of corroborating evidence. At least from Chesebro

:

Attorney Explains 'Most Significant' Fact of Trump Lawyers' Guilty Pleas

Both Powell and Chesebro will also have to testify truthfully against their co-defendants—including Trump—as part of the plea deal. In addition, not only does Chesebro have to testify, he will also be required to provide documents and evidence—including text messages and emails—to state prosecutors to be used in their case

https://www.newsweek.com/neal-katyal-explains-trumps-lawyers-no-jail-guilty-pleas-1836698

 

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually,

The above MSNBC quote was written by Glenn Kirschner,  former Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia.

Edited October 23, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Chomper Higgot]

39 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The Chesebro and Powell plea deals could be a nail in Trump’s legal coffin

Oct. 21, 2023, 5:00 PM +07

 

None of this is to suggest that their testimony will necessarily be convincing. Cooperating witnesses, by definition, are criminals — they committed crimes, pled guilty to those crimes and agreed to testify truthfully against others — and rebuilding her credibility for a trial jury will be no easy task for prosecutors.

 

For example, there is plenty of video of Powell making outrageous — and ultimately false — claims of election fraud. Defense attorneys will vigorously cross-examine her along the lines of, “Were you lying then or are you lying now?”

 

You can see how cross-examination of Powell might unfold: “Ms. Powell, you were facing the rest of your life in prison, but all you had to do was falsely implicate Donald Trump to receive an obscenely lenient plea deal. Ms. Powell, you would have said anything DA Willis wanted you to say to avoid jail, isn’t that right?” Prosecutors will need lots of hard corroboration — emails, texts, notes, recordings — for Powell and Chesebro’s testimony.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/kenneth-chesebro-sidney-powells-pleas-mean-trump-rcna121386

 

All well and good, until they also hand over documentation and electronic communications relating to the crimes.

 

If we’ve learned one thing about the Trump administration it’s the habit his staff and advisers had of keeping records and recording conversations.

 

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The above MSNBC quote was written by Glenn Kirschner,  former Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia.

And I saw nothing in Kirschners comments that addressed the issue of the documents that Chesebro is compelled to provide.

 

And I'll counter your Kirschner with a higher ranking Katyal.

 

"During the Obama administration, Katyal served as Acting Solicitor General of the United States from May 2010^[4] until June 2011. Previously, Katyal served as an attorney in the Solicitor General's office, and as Principal Deputy Solicitor General in the U.S. Justice Department."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Katyal

Edited October 23, 2023 by placeholder

[jerrymahoney]

 

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And I saw nothing in Kirschners comments that addressed the issue of the documents that Chesebro is compelled to provide.

Other than this?:

 

Prosecutors will need lots of hard corroboration — emails, texts, notes, recordings — for Powell and Chesebro’s testimony.

[jerrymahoney]

The US Presidential election is barely one year away. There are very few scenarios wherein DJTrump will not be the Republican nominee. And here we are discussing whether Ms. Powell -- who for going on 3 years most persons had figured as a total nut case -- is being touted as kryptonite to Trump's Superman.
 

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The US Presidential election is barely one year away. There are very few scenarios wherein DJTrump will not be the Republican nominee. And here we are discussing whether Ms. Powell -- who for going on 3 years most persons had figured as a total nut case -- is being touted as kryptonite to Trump's Superman.
 

It's not just Powell. There will be more flippers.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The US Presidential election is barely one year away. There are very few scenarios wherein DJTrump will not be the Republican nominee. And here we are discussing whether Ms. Powell -- who for going on 3 years most persons had figured as a total nut case -- is being touted as kryptonite to Trump's Superman.
 

 Deflecting much? Why even raise the election issue. I've seen very little, if anything in this thread about the effect of Powell's testimony on Trump's chances of reelection.  Since you didn't even quote someone in your comment to that effect, I guess you're having trouble find evidence to support your assertion.

 

Also, Powell was present at meetings with the President. It seems hard to believe that prosecutors would let her off the hook if all she had to offer was uncorroboratable testimony. She is also required to produce relevant documents.

 

And we aren't just discussing Powell anymore, are we? There's now a Chesebro in the mix as well.

Edited October 23, 2023 by placeholder

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The US Presidential election is barely one year away. There are very few scenarios wherein DJTrump will not be the Republican nominee. And here we are discussing whether Ms. Powell -- who for going on 3 years most persons had figured as a total nut case -- is being touted as kryptonite to Trump's Superman.
 

Perhaps we are discussing this because it’s the subject of the thread.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps we are discussing this because it’s the subject of the thread.

 

 

Discuss away.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

The US Presidential election is barely one year away. There are very few scenarios wherein DJTrump will not be the Republican nominee. And here we are discussing whether Ms. Powell -- who for going on 3 years most persons had figured as a total nut case -- is being touted as kryptonite to Trump's Superman.
 

It's interesting to note that although most people agree Ms Powell is a nut job, Trump fans believe her opinion about the 2020 election.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 10/20/2023 at 9:25 AM, illisdean said:

I said they are bogus and overcharged and so are many. Don't be so obvious obstinant, and go check for yourself. Read the indictments, compare it to the Powell plea and ask yourself how a prosecution goes from major RICO felony to state election misdemeanor pea deal the night before the case is scheduled to go to trial (jury selection). Lol...figure it out for yourself.

You do understand what negotiating a plea deal entails, don't you?

 

In cases like this with multiple defendants, it typically involves agreeing to give the prosecution something they want (such as evidence against other defendants) in exchange for which they agree to charge you with lesser offences. 

 

It's even possible in a plea deal, for a person to go from facing serious charges, to facing no charges at all, in exchange for testifying against those who have greater responsibility for the crime(s) involved. In this case, Powell and Cheseboro are still facing charges, just not as serious as the original ones. It's not that unusual.

[Tug]

Both the kraken ( Sidney Powell)and the cheeseburo guy are now singing like lovely canaries both admitting to knowingly breaking election laws and knowing the election wasent stolen the time for trumpys judgment is getting closer and closer!

[jerrymahoney]

9 minutes ago, Tug said:

Both the kraken ( Sidney Powell)and the cheeseburo guy are now singing like lovely canaries both admitting to knowingly breaking election laws and knowing the election wasent stolen the time for trumpys judgment is getting closer and closer!

How Sidney Powell inaccurately cited Venezuela’s elections as evidence of U.S. fraud.

 Published Nov. 19, 2020Updated Nov. 23, 2020

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/technology/sidney-powell-venezuela.html

 

On Monday, Ms. Powell posted some of her so-called evidence on Twitter. It consisted of three screenshots of an affidavit that she said was signed by a former military official from Venezuela about elections there. The screenshots were incomplete and did not include a name or signature, and Ms. Powell did not respond to requests to view the full document.

 

But according to her and excerpts from the affidavit, the elections software company Smartmatic helped the Venezuelan government rig its elections by switching votes and leaving no trail. The military official said in the excerpts that the U.S. election was “eerily reminiscent” of what happened in Venezuela’s 2013 presidential election, though no evidence was provided that votes had been switched in the United States.

 

“This person saw, by his own experience, exactly what was happening there was happening here,” Ms. Powell explained to Fox News on Monday.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

How Sidney Powell inaccurately cited Venezuela’s elections as evidence of U.S. fraud.

 Published Nov. 19, 2020Updated Nov. 23, 2020

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/technology/sidney-powell-venezuela.html

 

On Monday, Ms. Powell posted some of her so-called evidence on Twitter. It consisted of three screenshots of an affidavit that she said was signed by a former military official from Venezuela about elections there. The screenshots were incomplete and did not include a name or signature, and Ms. Powell did not respond to requests to view the full document.

 

But according to her and excerpts from the affidavit, the elections software company Smartmatic helped the Venezuelan government rig its elections by switching votes and leaving no trail. The military official said in the excerpts that the U.S. election was “eerily reminiscent” of what happened in Venezuela’s 2013 presidential election, though no evidence was provided that votes had been switched in the United States.

 

“This person saw, by his own experience, exactly what was happening there was happening here,” Ms. Powell explained to Fox News on Monday.

So Powell showed what she asserted was evidence, omitting the signatures that might have been used to verify Powell’s claims.
 

And she did do on MAGA lie network FOX which failed to ask for verification, simply broadcasting Powell’s assertions as facts.

 

Perhaps Powell could have used this to avoid needing a plea deal.

 

Or was she simply offering up fake evidence to back her lies regarding the fake ‘big steal’?

 

Maybe Hack Smith will press her on the matter, if he hasn’t already done so.

[jerrymahoney]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe Hack Smith will press her on the matter, if he hasn’t already done so.

So what is it now -- Hack be nimble?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

So what is it now -- Hack be nimble?

I make the occasional typo so those who normally struggle can pick it up and have the occasional chance to be right about something.

 

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I make the occasional typo so those who normally struggle can pick it up and have the occasional chance to be right about something.

 

Yes just a little fun. Mr. Jack Smith will maybe press Ms. Powell on her eccentricities. And so likely will the cross-examiners if it ever gets to that point.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Yes just a little fun. Mr. Jack Smith will maybe press Ms. Powell on her eccentricities. And so likely will the cross-examiners if it ever gets to that point.

If Powell’s legal representatives haven’t already cut a deal the Jack Smith and the DOJ while pleading guilty in Georgia, Powell is going to be spending some serious time behind federal bars.

 

WRT Powell’s eccentricities and since you earlier mentioned Glenn Kirschner, you might want to take a look at his extensive commentary on the matter, he makes much of ‘Corroboration, Corroboration and Corroboration’.

 

I don’t post videos, but you can search on the following term.

 

“Powell & Chesebro plead guilty, flip, & agree to testify against Trump & others: Top 5 takeaways”

 

Or alternatively, ‘Trump’s going to get away with it all’.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or alternatively, ‘Trump’s going to get away with it all’.

 

 

Mr. Trump, in private conversations with his aides, has made no secret of the fact that he sees winning the election as the best solution to his array of legal problems.

 

And prosecutors in Mr. Smith’s office have repeatedly accused him and his lawyers of dragging their feet and seeking to push both the election interference and classified documents cases back until after the 2024 election. If that were to happen, and Mr. Trump were to win the race, he could have his attorney general simply dismiss the charges.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/us/politics/trump-gag-order-freeze-election.html

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1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

 

 

Mr. Trump, in private conversations with his aides, has made no secret of the fact that he sees winning the election as the best solution to his array of legal problems.

 

And prosecutors in Mr. Smith’s office have repeatedly accused him and his lawyers of dragging their feet and seeking to push both the election interference and classified documents cases back until after the 2024 election. If that were to happen, and Mr. Trump were to win the race, he could have his attorney general simply dismiss the charges.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/us/politics/trump-gag-order-freeze-election.html

That won't do him any good if he's convicted under Georgia Law.

[jerrymahoney]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That won't do him any good if he's convicted under Georgia Law.

well gee I guess he never thought of that.

[placeholder]

On 10/21/2023 at 4:38 AM, jerrymahoney said:

And maybe others will go for plea deals. But note to you and others who like to reference the 'overwhelming evidence', evidence isn't evidence until it is admitted in court.

 

I remember reading an obituary for musician David Crosby who said:  I am really not unlike any other drug addict. The only difference was: I had lots of money.

 

98% of all federal indictments result in plea bargains. There are very few indicted on federal charges who can outspend the Feds.

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A further note on this. 

 

Not only has it been established that Chesebro had money, but the fact is that his case had fallen apart.

1)He lost his bid to exclude as evidence his memos

2) His claim that there was no proof of his intent ran afoul of Georgia law and he was overwhelmingly likely to lose there.

3)He wanted to call experts to support his bizarre legal theories. Determining the validity of a theory is what judges are for. Experts are there to testify re the facts.

4)His only remaining hope was to discredit the witnesses against him. But since his memos are very incriminating, that would be useless.

 

Why Chesebro cut a deal and what it means for Trump

https://archive.ph/GaWop#selection-413.0-417.51

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/23/chesebro-trial-defenses/

[Eric Loh]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Both the kraken ( Sidney Powell)and the cheeseburo guy are now singing like lovely canaries both admitting to knowingly breaking election laws and knowing the election wasent stolen the time for trumpys judgment is getting closer and closer!

You probably will add Jenna Ellis to the singing trio this week. Very likely to plead guity. She is angry with Trump and very broke to fund her indictment defense.