ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Gaccha]

1. Israel has cut off the water supply to Gaza ensuring that 2.3 million people will have no access to drinking water. Humans can survive around 3 days without drinking water. 

 

2. Israel is an apartheid State. It is a Jewish State (that's a bad thing) rather than a State for the Jewish people (that's a good thing).

 

3. The Hamas action was the result of extraordinary provocations by Israel's extreme far-rightwing government. The fanatical Jews who wish the Al-Aqsa mosque to be knocked it down and replaced by a third temple are quietly supported by the crazy government. You don't know this because you are kept away from reality. Learn from this.

 

4. All countries outside of Western civilisation have a enormous in- group bias which makes this state of affairs almost inevitable. The only solution is the importation of millions of non-Jews from sub-Saharan Africa to Israel. Israel must become diverse, and be enriched.

 

5. Jews regard Christian Zionist Americans as simple useful idiots. The West is regarded as Edom from the Bible, the great enemy of Israelites, that must be destroyed.

 

6. Israel's national defence policy has always regarded the only existential threat as a loss of support of the American public. Americans are subjected to astonishing levels of very effective propaganda from Israel. If you, like a nodding lap dog, support Israel but don't know why that is because of very effective, constant propaganda.

 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I hope you don't watch CNN, which is biased towards Israel, obviously. 

Is it? I don't know as I don't watch it, how do you know it is?

[herfiehandbag]

2 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

1. Israel has cut off the water supply to Gaza ensuring that 2.3 million people will have no access to drinking water. Humans can survive around 3 days without drinking water. 

 

2. Israel is an apartheid State. It is a Jewish State (that's a bad thing) rather than a State for the Jewish people (that's a good thing).

 

3. The Hamas action was the result of extraordinary provocations by Israel's extreme far-rightwing government. The fanatical Jews who wish the Al-Aqsa mosque to be knocked it down and replaced by a third temple are quietly supported by the crazy government. You don't know this because you are kept away from reality. Learn from this.

 

4. All countries outside of Western civilisation have a enormous in- group bias which makes this state of affairs almost inevitable. The only solution is the importation of millions of non-Jews from sub-Saharan Africa to Israel. Israel must become diverse, and be enriched.

 

5. Jews regard Christian Zionist Americans as simple useful idiots. The West is regarded as Edom from the Bible, the great enemy of Israelites, that must be destroyed.

 

6. Israel's national defence policy has always regarded the only existential threat as a loss of support of the American public. Americans are subjected to astonishing levels of very effective propaganda from Israel. If you, like a nodding lap dog, support Israel but don't know why that is because of very effective, constant propaganda.

 

7. I am going to take my tinfoil hat off now, as it is making my head rather hot. When my head gets hot I tend to froth at the mouth!

[Neeranam]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Is it? I don't know as I don't watch it, how do you know it is?

I used to watch it 20 years ago, just for the headlines, then flip to BBC for proper, unbiased reports. Now, I watch neither as they are both biased.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

I used to watch it 20 years ago, just for the headlines, then flip to BBC for proper, unbiased reports. Now, I watch neither as they are both biased.

Ok so you said it was obviously biased having watched it 20 years ago........lol

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ok so you said it was obviously biased having watched it 20 years ago........lol

What's your point? 

I occasionally still watch it, but have to turn it off rather quickly, especially if they talk politics. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

What's your point? 

I occasionally still watch it, but have to turn it off rather quickly, especially if they talk politics. 

LOL, my point, you responded to me randomly

[Bkk Brian]

United States, France, Germany, Italy, and the U.K. have released a Joint-Statement expressing their Steadfast and United Support for the State of Israel and Condemning the Surprise Attack by Hamas.

 

 

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1711499431491535091

 

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

1. Israel has cut off the water supply to Gaza ensuring that 2.3 million people will have no access to drinking water. Humans can survive around 3 days without drinking water. 

 

2. Israel is an apartheid State. It is a Jewish State (that's a bad thing) rather than a State for the Jewish people (that's a good thing).

 

3. The Hamas action was the result of extraordinary provocations by Israel's extreme far-rightwing government. The fanatical Jews who wish the Al-Aqsa mosque to be knocked it down and replaced by a third temple are quietly supported by the crazy government. You don't know this because you are kept away from reality. Learn from this.

 

4. All countries outside of Western civilisation have a enormous in- group bias which makes this state of affairs almost inevitable. The only solution is the importation of millions of non-Jews from sub-Saharan Africa to Israel. Israel must become diverse, and be enriched.

 

5. Jews regard Christian Zionist Americans as simple useful idiots. The West is regarded as Edom from the Bible, the great enemy of Israelites, that must be destroyed.

 

6. Israel's national defence policy has always regarded the only existential threat as a loss of support of the American public. Americans are subjected to astonishing levels of very effective propaganda from Israel. If you, like a nodding lap dog, support Israel but don't know why that is because of very effective, constant propaganda.

 

An interesting watch, please watch till the end, forget the headline, just listen to what the lady says......????

 

 

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

LOL, my point, you responded to me randomly

You inferred that there was something wrong with watching Aljazeera. 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Israel lived within it's pre 1967 borders for 20 years. Throughout that time the Palestinian fighters/guerrillas/terrorists carried out a relentless campaign of bombings, bus bombings, ambushes, raids on kibbutzes (specialising I rather recall on shooting up kindergartens); farmers near borders were sniped at and mortared whilst working the fields. Great efforts were made to divert rivers to destroy irrigation and make the land infertile, the surrounding Arab states, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt ( with Iraq in the second rank) were complicit in staging many of these attacks, and provided safe bases, training and equipment to the attackers. Open military threats were ramped up, culminating in a maritime blockade of Israel's Red Sea port, and ultimately the 1967 6 day war.

Israel was not able to live in peace during those 20 years. It also lived with the fact that it's borders were inherently indefensible, especially in the north and centre. One decently handled Jordanian armoured brigade could have cut the country in two in 36 hours. So there was no peace, Israel was vastly outnumbered. A variety of United Nations forces were set up - they did little but sit in watchtowers and watch through binoculars - pretty supine really.

 

Israel won the 6 day war, at great cost and with spectacularly successful fighting. They then set about establishing new borders, with impeccable military logic, if disputable political logic, to ensure that the risk of being militarily overrun was removed. They occupied Sinai ( later handed back to Egypt under a peace treaty, occupied Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. They held on to these, and prevented another attempt to overrun the country in the Yom Kippur war.

 

That's why the Golan and West Bank remain under occupation. The settlements are, in my opinion wrong, but Israel is a democracy, a concept not followed anywhere else in the region, and the settlements have ( some, not total) political support.

 

Fast forward to now, Gaza run by a fundamentalist islamic group; and we have just seen what they can and will do. The Palestinian Authority, given some autonomy, controlled by an eye wateringly corrupt government led by an elderly politician in the 17th year of his 4 year elected term; undoubtedly bound to fall into the grip of a theocratic terror regime in the near future if Israel relinquishes control. Iran funding, equipping, training terrorists and taking a leading role in planning the attacks. Iran, and the terrorist groups it controls, Hamas, Hizbollah, Islamic Jihad ( a particularly vicious bunch they are) remain committed publicly to the destruction of Israel, irrespective of the 1967 borders, and alarmingly, the genocide of it's Jewish population.

 

My conclusion, there can be no political peace, whilst there is no will for it. Arguably there may be a desire for it within Israel, but absolutely not amongst those leading, and likely to continue leading the Palestinians. The only real short term solution is for one side to inflict a crushing military defeat on the other. Israel lives with the threat of genocide, it's reaction to that is inevitably overshadowed by the Holocaust. Israel looks as if it is preparing to inflict such a crushing defeat on Hamas. They know (and for the most part don't relish), that they will have to do so every decade or so for the foreseeable future.

 

Longer term, well the best hope is that the theocratic terrorist sponsoring regime in Iran changes.

 

it is tragic.

 

Incidentally, I think the Israeli Defence Minister referred to Hamas rather than Gaza as animals. He was, in the clip I found, speaking in Hebrew so there may have been some room for error in translation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

What is your solution? There are millions in Gaza and more millions in the west bank. They are not going anywhere. If israel reverts to the same oppression and military response, continues killing Palestinians with airpower and tanks, the same situation as now will occur again, and will always be a threat as long as Palestinians exist. Even if they were able to remove the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank ( they can't ) revenge attacks would come from outside israel and also attacks on soft targets elsewhere. No israeli will be safe outside israel.

 

If they refuse to look for a different solution, israel will be forever a militarised country with a restive occupied enemy. Do they want perpetual war, to live for generations in fear, to brutalise their own children by sending them to oppress Palestinian women and children?

 

I've already given my solution.

 

 

Incidentally, I think the Israeli Defence Minister referred to Hamas rather than Gaza as animals.

Is there a difference between a Hamas fighter killing israeli women and children up close and personal, and an israeli pilot killing Palestinian women and children with bombs from far up in the sky? Not in my opinion.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

You inferred that there was something wrong with watching Aljazeera. 

 

Yes to thaibeachlovers as that's all he watches or do you have any other info on what he watches?

[thaibeachlovers]

Just heard on Al Jazeera that the israelis have bombed Gaza 1,200 times, and they are not stopping anytime soon. Will they only stop when every last building in Gaza is rubble?

Perhaps this is why the americans are sending munitions to israel, as they may run out of bombs and artillery shells.

 

The world is watching.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes to thaibeachlovers as that's all he watches or do you have any other info on what he watches?

Oh, sorry if I misunderstood your comment. 

Like many things, this incident has become polarised. 

I like AlJazerra. 

Coming from a country that suffered genocide and occupation, I tend to feel for the Palestinians. 

[novacova]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

What is your solution? There are millions in Gaza and more millions in the west bank. They are not going anywhere. If israel reverts to the same oppression and military response, continues killing Palestinians with airpower and tanks, the same situation as now will occur again, and will always be a threat as long as Palestinians exist. Even if they were able to remove the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank ( they can't ) revenge attacks would come from outside israel and also attacks on soft targets elsewhere. No israeli will be safe outside israel.

 

If they refuse to look for a different solution, israel will be forever a militarised country with a restive occupied enemy. Do they want perpetual war, to live for generations in fear, to brutalise their own children by sending them to oppress Palestinian women and children?

 

I've already given my solution.

 

 

Incidentally, I think the Israeli Defence Minister referred to Hamas rather than Gaza as animals.

Is there a difference between a Hamas fighter killing israeli women and children up close and personal, and an israeli pilot killing Palestinian women and children with bombs from far up in the sky? Not in my opinion.

Insidious selective moral outrage supporting Hamas terrorist thuggery. 

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps this is why the americans are sending munitions to israel, as they may run out of bombs and artillery shells.

Disgraceful, but nothing new here. 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just heard on Al Jazeera that the israelis have bombed Gaza 1,200 times, and they are not stopping anytime soon. Will they only stop when every last building in Gaza is rubble?

Perhaps this is why the americans are sending munitions to israel, as they may run out of bombs and artillery shells.

Perhaps Hamas should have seen it coming? Perhaps the people of Gaza, the Palestinians whom you 'support' should re-think accepting such a leadership?

[herfiehandbag]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I used to watch it 20 years ago, just for the headlines, then flip to BBC for proper, unbiased reports. Now, I watch neither as they are both biased.

The problem with labelling media outlets as biased can be if you conflate actual partisan propaganda with not following your own personal political or social stance.

 

For example, I along with many, accuse the BBC of bias, sometimes some of their reporting annoys me,along with for example that of the Guardian and the Independent. If I look at it cooly, it is really the case (BBC) that I don't think that they give my point of view sufficient standing. Very rarely is it open partisan reporting.

 

I cannot speak for Al Jazeera, I very rarely watch it.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Oh, sorry if I misunderstood your comment. 

Like many things, this incident has become polarised. 

I like AlJazerra. 

Coming from a country that suffered genocide and occupation, I tend to feel for the Palestinians. 

So do I feel for Palestinians but not Hamas. Egypt should open its borders to them, it could if it wanted to.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve "

 

Surah 2:191: "And kill them wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers ."

 

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush."

In the obvious propaganda war that follows the Hamas attack it’s difficult to discern whether you are trying to promote the interests of the innocent victims or simply using the attack as a pretext to stoke even more hatred.

 

 

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

The problem with labelling media outlets as biased can be if you conflate actual partisan propaganda with not following your own personal political or social stance.

Good point. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, novacova said:

Insidious selective moral outrage supporting Hamas terrorist thuggery. 

Quote me saying I support Hamas terrorist thuggery, or you are making it up.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just heard on Al Jazeera that the israelis have bombed Gaza 1,200 times, and they are not stopping anytime soon. Will they only stop when every last building in Gaza is rubble?

Perhaps this is why the americans are sending munitions to israel, as they may run out of bombs and artillery shells.

 

The world is watching.

More than 5,000 rockets fired by Hamas onto Israel, no wonder the US is helping with sending munitions.

[novacova]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Quote me saying I support Hamas terrorist thuggery, or you are making it up.

Yes, as you have declared your insinuations and your allegiance throughout the thread 

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You inferred that there was something wrong with watching Aljazeera. 

 

Aljazeera may be a good source for some news, not for all. As a channel owned by Qatar, it covers (or avoids covering) certain issues from a prescribed position, rather than an objective one. Its reports regarding the Israeli Palestinian conflict fall into the category of taken-with-a-grain-of-salt. It's always a better idea not to rely on a single source of news, especially one with a rather obvious bias.

 

@thaibeachlovers relies almost exclusively on Aljazeera bias to confirm his own bias. Hence the often raised comments.

[Trippy]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just heard on Al Jazeera that the israelis have bombed Gaza 1,200 times, and they are not stopping anytime soon. Will they only stop when every last building in Gaza is rubble?

Perhaps this is why the americans are sending munitions to israel, as they may run out of bombs and artillery shells.

 

The world is watching.

Great news! Hopefully they bomb Gaza 12,000 times in the coming days. hamas needs to be eliminated. 

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In the obvious propaganda war that follows the Hamas attack it’s difficult to discern whether you are trying to promote the interests of the innocent victims or simply using the attack as a pretext to stoke even more hatred.

 

 

 

I go for door #2.

[Neeranam]

29 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve "

 

Surah 2:191: "And kill them wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers ."

 

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush."

From the Christian Bible.

 

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Oh, sorry if I misunderstood your comment. 

Like many things, this incident has become polarised. 

I like AlJazerra. 

Coming from a country that suffered genocide and occupation, I tend to feel for the Palestinians. 

I have that poster you quoted on ignore, but I only watch Al Jazeera for reasons I have previously stated on this forum.

It would be pointless watching any US media, given their view on israel, the BBC ceased to be unbiased long ago, and I doubt they will be showing unbiased VDOs of the Palestinians.

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Quote me saying I support Hamas terrorist thuggery, or you are making it up.

Constant excuses and deflections speak for themselves.