kalasiner Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: I was responding to this post: This thread is about Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza. No idea why you are dragging the West Bank Palestinians into it. "No idea". The only logical words in your nonsensical posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jelli said: ISRAEL IS AT WAR ! Israel has always been at war. A people that are throughly and tita6 incompatible with other tribes and ethnicities. They work at it. Blame UK/US that land should have never been given to those white Europeans. Most countries in the world have normal relations with Israel. This would include Thailand. And, in all probability, your own home country. Hateful fantasies are bad for the skin, I hear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrMojoRisin Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Well, I certainly haven’t seen any comment on this thread saying that “all muslims should be wiped out from planet earth” But if you point me to any such comment I will certainly respond to it with vigorous condemnation before reporting it. Conversely, Hamas actually calls for the genocide of all Jewish people throughout the world (not just in Israel) by virtue of its founding charter. Here's the just the ones that survived deletion from the moderators: Edited October 13, 2023 by MrMojoRisin 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Excellent read, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NickyLouie Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Excellent read, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ Jeff, go help them - go now and help them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Does anyone else wonder if all, or most, of the Palestinians in Gaza know the full extent of the depraved and barbaric acts carried out by their government on their behalf; or would Hamas have been able to prevent them from knowing anything other than what they want them to know. Many were out on the streets cheering the dead bodies of Israeli women on pick up trucks, but that doesn’t mean they know everything that happened in their name. There must be thousands of women in Gaza with babes in arms, would they be aware of the slaughter of babies at Kfar Aza, and if so what would they think about their government for carrying out such atrocities on their behalf. Are they so full of hatred that they would condone the acts of their government. They will obviously be unhappy about it retrospectively because of the retaliation, but It would be nice to think that there are Palestinians that are as disgusted as the rest of the world by the barbarity of their government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorry Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Recommended reading: Gwynne Dyer 's latest opinion peace, it can be found in the opinion section of today's [newspaper that cannot be quoted] And the Economist (3 free articles) https://click.e.economist.com/u/?qs=d42eb7e4f46e6db6b2d73752cbf8f34476251dbb43b799e21c57f6180553207f7aba98b006b376dd894c08bf808f0054c19b02f52eba895550c59c9caed0407a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Does anyone else wonder if all, or most, of the Palestinians in Gaza know the full extent of the depraved and barbaric acts carried out by their government on their behalf; or would Hamas have been able to prevent them from knowing anything other than what they want them to know. Many were out on the streets cheering the dead bodies of Israeli women on pick up trucks, but that doesn’t mean they know everything that happened in their name. There must be thousands of women in Gaza with babes in arms, would they be aware of the slaughter of babies at Kfar Aza, and if so what would they think about their government for carrying out such atrocities on their behalf. Are they so full of hatred that they would condone the acts of their government. They will obviously be unhappy about it retrospectively because of the retaliation, but It would be nice to think that there are Palestinians that are as disgusted as the rest of the world by the barbarity of their government. If you watch the many clips of the Palestinian attack, you'll notice that beside and following the uniformed militants, there are quite a lot of Gazans in civilian cloths, running around rampant, looting etc. Some of the hostages were apparently taken by such groups rather than full pledged Hamas militants. This was acknowledged, sort of, by Hamas spokesmen as they tried to shift the blame for the atrocities on these people rather than 'proper' Hamas militants. That's their basis for the bogus claim that Hamas did not kill civilians. Me, I'm sure both Hamas militants and Gazan mobs were involved. The latter perhaps in the nearer areas to the border, and as a second wave, of sorts. Maybe not planned by Hamas, but not handled anyway. The point is, that if one treats Hamas's lame excuse seriously, it implies that many of the people of Gaza are complicit as well....And either way, it shows Hamas's priorities as to who gets protected and who gets thrown under the bus. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeandDow Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Morch said: If you watch the many clips of the Palestinian attack, you'll notice that beside and following the uniformed militants, there are quite a lot of Gazans in civilian cloths, running around rampant, looting etc. Some of the hostages were apparently taken by such groups rather than full pledged Hamas militants. This was acknowledged, sort of, by Hamas spokesmen as they tried to shift the blame for the atrocities on these people rather than 'proper' Hamas militants. That's their basis for the bogus claim that Hamas did not kill civilians. Me, I'm sure both Hamas militants and Gazan mobs were involved. The latter perhaps in the nearer areas to the border, and as a second wave, of sorts. Maybe not planned by Hamas, but not handled anyway. The point is, that if one treats Hamas's lame excuse seriously, it implies that many of the people of Gaza are complicit as well....And either way, it shows Hamas's priorities as to who gets protected and who gets thrown under the bus. good post would you trust a Palestinians i know i would not, seeing them run after pick up truck with a Israels women body in it and spitting on it kids was about 12yrs, no respect, these men women and kids deserve a bullet sorry to say, people says its about land being taken away i call that bs its about HATE, i think Israel is doing the right thing, the Palestinians have been warned more than the Israel got Edited October 13, 2023 by MikeandDow 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Morch said: Ummm....no. The political divide is not quite a geographic one as you present. There are Hamas supporters in the West Bank, and PA supporters in the Gaza Strip. Both get face occasional harassment and prosecution from the respective powers in control. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such popular Palestinian desire for separate states (as in the West Bank and Gaza Strip). On the contrary, events in one area often cause reactions in the other. The issue is more political in nature, and by now, also of maintaining power and control. To add, it's been years since elections were held among Palestinians. So, in effect, the Palestinian people do not have a direct say even with regard to their own leaderships decisions and policies. The Gazans are culturally distinct from the West Bank Palestinians, and have no desire to be governed by the Palestinian Authority. Except for a brief period after 2005, the 2 regions have never been united politically. Edited October 13, 2023 by Danderman123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Danderman123 said: Photos of babies being burnt, decapitated confirmed This whole attack was a failure and a defeat for Israel , failure on all fronts . Mossad, IDF , every aspect was a failure . Israel's invincibility and strength has also now being questioned and huge weaknesses have been exposed . It was a unanimous defeat for Israel on all fronts , Israel doesn't want to publicise the photos of the atrocities caused by Hamas because its just publicising how much of a failure they were and how the Israeli Government failed its people. Israel just showed the photos to those that need to know , so they realise the extent of Israels response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Does anyone else wonder if all, or most, of the Palestinians in Gaza know the full extent of the depraved and barbaric acts carried out by their government on their behalf; or would Hamas have been able to prevent them from knowing anything other than what they want them to know. Many were out on the streets cheering the dead bodies of Israeli women on pick up trucks, but that doesn’t mean they know everything that happened in their name. There must be thousands of women in Gaza with babes in arms, would they be aware of the slaughter of babies at Kfar Aza, and if so what would they think about their government for carrying out such atrocities on their behalf. Are they so full of hatred that they would condone the acts of their government. They will obviously be unhappy about it retrospectively because of the retaliation, but It would be nice to think that there are Palestinians that are as disgusted as the rest of the world by the barbarity of their government. What a stupid question. Palestinians are people no different than you or I. Why do you feel comfortable judging all Palestinians by their worst examples? Are Israeli's or Jews all equally as guilty as their worst examples? It would be nice to think there weren't people as dumb as this question indicates there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeandDow Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: This whole attack was a failure and a defeat for Israel , failure on all fronts . Mossad, IDF , every aspect was a failure . Israel's invincibility and strength has also now being questioned and huge weaknesses have been exposed . It was a unanimous defeat for Israel on all fronts , Israel doesn't want to publicise the photos of the atrocities caused by Hamas because its just publicising how much of a failure they were and how the Israeli Government failed its people. Israel just showed the photos to those that need to know , so they realise the extent of Israels response So They failed most nations have failed, but now Israel is reponding and i dont think i would be in gaza right now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, MikeandDow said: So They failed most nations have failed, but now Israel is reponding and i dont think i would be in gaza right now I was explaining why Israel wouldn't want to publish any photos and why Biden was told to keep quiet about seeing them . If you got beaten up by a skinny weak teenage girl , you wouldn't then take photos of your injuries and show the photos to the girls mate showing how much you got beaten . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said: Here's the just the ones that survived deletion from the moderators: None of those posts call for killing ALL Muslims, just some of them. The ones in Gaza. Even if they are atheist. I wouldn't want that for my Muslim family members who live elsewhere. Edited October 13, 2023 by Yagoda 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorry Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 4:12 PM, rabas said: Or the people in Gaza they warn to leave target areas in Gaza? Israel just warned a million people to leave the target areas in Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalasiner Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said: Excellent read, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ Thanks, Jeff the Chef. Very sad. In itself, and the fact that that so many continue to give unconditional support to a state that acts so atrociously. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Stop embarrassing yourself. First it was your calamitous error over Twitter / X removing Hamas affiliated accounts, then supporting a factually incorrect comment. Most people when they have their failings exposed, choose to keep their heads down, but you augment the ill informed nature of your comments by continually obfuscating with meaningless drivel. “1946 is near enough” …. oh, really ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I see you’ve now posted over 220 comments on this thread, which is looking very much like an obsession. Have you superglued the shovel to your hands, because you seem to be incapable of putting it down ? If one might pinch a quote from Alice in Wonderland: "Speak roughly to your little boy and beat him when he sneezes! he only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases!" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lorry said: Israel just warned a million people to leave the target areas in Gaza. Any live feed available ? I am going to grab myself a few beers and make a night out of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, Yagoda said: None of those posts call for killing ALL Muslims, just some of them. The ones in Gaza. Even if they are atheist. I wouldn't want that for my Muslim family members who live elsewhere. So all of the muslims and atheists in Gaza should be killed? Charming indeed. Of course, no comparisons to the holocaust could be made to such a statement, that would be offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 25 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: So all of the muslims and atheists in Gaza should be killed? Charming indeed. Of course, no comparisons to the holocaust could be made to such a statement, that would be offensive. Gross disingenuous distortion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Danderman123 said: The Gazans are culturally distinct from the West Bank Palestinians, and have no desire to be governed by the Palestinian Authority. Except for a brief period after 2005, the 2 regions have never been united politically. Not exactly. There are differences, in the same way 'city' Arabs in Israel look down on 'village' Arabs, and both despising Bedouins. There are phrases, or accents associated with this region or that. Other stuff as well. But the differences are not 'distinct' as in these are two different people. It might have been more obvious in earlier days, but since the Israeli occupation post-1967, the formation of the Palestinian Authority and the advent of social media, a lot has changed. For one thing, about 70% of Gaza's people are not originally from Gaza, but are refugees who fled there in 1948. This people have stronger ties to communities in the West Bank, where there are also many similar groups. The Palestinian divide is a fact, but it's not exactly along the lines suggested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: This whole attack was a failure and a defeat for Israel , failure on all fronts . Mossad, IDF , every aspect was a failure . Israel's invincibility and strength has also now being questioned and huge weaknesses have been exposed . It was a unanimous defeat for Israel on all fronts , Israel doesn't want to publicise the photos of the atrocities caused by Hamas because its just publicising how much of a failure they were and how the Israeli Government failed its people. Israel just showed the photos to those that need to know , so they realise the extent of Israels response That policy was changed about a day ago. Mainly to counter the narratives of disbelief and denial (see up stream in this topic). A whole lot of pictures and footage out there. Gruesome stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Seems like Hamas wants the Palestinians to stay in their homes in Gaza after Israel told them to leave their homes . Seems like Hamas want a high causality rate , otherwise they would tell the Palestinians to go to safe areas Israel-Palestine latest news: Hamas orders civilians in Gaza to stay in their homes Hamas has ordered civilians in Gaza to stay at home as the UN said more than 400 children had been killed in missiles strikes on the strip. The Hamas order came after Israel demanded that all civilians, more than one million people, flee towards Gaza’s south, ahead of an inspected invasion. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-palestine-latest-news-hamas-orders-civilians-in-gaza-to-stay-in-their-homes/ar-AA1i7E1w?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=03e43c73ea0f43d3aef0c82ab722510d&ei=7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 49 minutes ago, kalasiner said: Thanks, Jeff the Chef. Very sad. In itself, and the fact that that so many continue to give unconditional support to a state that acts so atrociously. Not 'unconditional'. It is possible to denounce Israel's occupation of the West Bank and its illegal settlement effort, while at the same time supporting other policies (as in vs. the Hamas). 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) Israel-Palestine latest news: Hamas orders civilians in Gaza to stay in their homes Of course they do. Edited October 13, 2023 by Jingthing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Seems like Hamas wants the Palestinians to stay in their homes in Gaza after Israel told them to leave their homes . Seems like Hamas want a high causality rate , otherwise they would tell the Palestinians to go to safe areas Israel-Palestine latest news: Hamas orders civilians in Gaza to stay in their homes Hamas has ordered civilians in Gaza to stay at home as the UN said more than 400 children had been killed in missiles strikes on the strip. The Hamas order came after Israel demanded that all civilians, more than one million people, flee towards Gaza’s south, ahead of an inspected invasion. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-palestine-latest-news-hamas-orders-civilians-in-gaza-to-stay-in-their-homes/ar-AA1i7E1w?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=03e43c73ea0f43d3aef0c82ab722510d&ei=7 It's even more cynical, knowing Hamas operatives and leaders are dug in their tunnels and bunkers, while leaving the general populace out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 40 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: So all of the muslims and atheists in Gaza should be killed? Charming indeed. Of course, no comparisons to the holocaust could be made to such a statement, that would be offensive. He did not say anything of the kind, he was summarising what the posts called for. You are now putting words into other people’s mouths and then replying to the words you put there rather than what they said ….. you need to have a word or two with yourself 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Morch said: It's even more cynical, knowing Hamas operatives and leaders are dug in their tunnels and bunkers, while leaving the general populace out. Of course, they need human shields. Cowards, still firing their rockets into Israel from within Gaza while the civilians provide cover. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post talahtnut Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 Arguing historical facts is a waste of time. Ask yourselves how this war will end. It will end with a piece of paper, on which can only be two clearly defined states. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine. Both parties must make concessions. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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