ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Neeranam]

11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So, are they biased for or against Jews? 

I rarely watch the BBC and haven't noticed any bias in regards to Jews. Do you mean Israel?

[Bkk Brian]

A reminder of what these barbarians did to some of their innocent victims. They were not given the opportunity to evacuate and get out of harms way as the IDF is doing to the civilians in Gaza.

 

‘But what these barbarians did to these people is beyond words.

‘There is evidence of mass rape of so brutal that they broke their victims’ pelvis – women, grandmothers, children.

 

EXCLUSIVE: Israeli morgue worker says horrors inflicted on Hamas's victims are 'worse than the Holocaust' including decapitated pregnant woman and her beheaded unborn child

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653435/Israeli-morgue-worker-says-horrors-inflicted-Hamass-victims-worse-Holocaust-including-decapitated-pregnant-woman-beheaded-unborn-child.html

[Morch]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

 

 

Exactly. Don't feel the trolls.

You'll have to be pretty disingenuous to pretend not to know who instigates most of the trolling, off topic deflections and so on.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I rarely watch the BBC and haven't noticed any bias in regards to Jews. Do you mean Israel?

Ha ha, lacking the simple understanding to realise that the reason you haven’t noticed any BBC bias in regard to jews, is because you “rarely” watch it ……. classic

[Morch]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

In the west it seems support for the Palestinians is growing. Could it be Hamas is achieving its goal?

 

Do tell. Are you referring to governments? Mass protests by (mainly) Muslims? General public opinion?

 

What, in your opinion, is Hamas's goal?

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

‘There is evidence of mass rape of so brutal that they broke their victims’ pelvis – women, grandmothers, children.

Mass raping children -  disgusting, if true

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Mass raping children -  disgusting, if true

if true ...... says the man that takes everything he reads on Al Jazeera as gospel (indisputably true) 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Eloquent pilgrim

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Mass raping children -  disgusting, if true

Couldn't bring yourself to not add the disqualifier "if true"

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Do tell. Are you referring to governments? Mass protests by (mainly) Muslims? General public opinion?

 

What, in your opinion, is Hamas's goal?

I have stated in the beginning already that imo the goal of Hamas is to gain public support worldwide by provoking Israeli retaliation.

China and Russia are on board already, the Arab world has abandoned the pending treaties. Now in western Europe support for Palestinians seems to be increasing. Not sure about the USA but I would expect the same to happen there. I'm referring to both government statements, a gentle change there, and general public opinion.

So I think Hamas is on the way of achieving its goal.

Edited October 22, 2023 by stevenl

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

if true ...... says the man that takes everything he reads on Al Jazeera as gospel (indisputably true) 

You're confusing your posters 

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Couldn't bring yourself to not add the disqualifier "if true"

sigh

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

You're confusing your posters 

Who's he confusing posters with?

[Neeranam]

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

A reminder of what these barbarians did to some of their innocent victims. They were not given the opportunity to evacuate and get out of harms way as the IDF is doing to the civilians in Gaza.

 

Barbaric indeed. However, telling people to get out of their homes before flattening them is wrong.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Barbaric indeed. However, telling people to get out of their homes before flattening them is wrong.

I'd rather they left harms way, but that's just me, Hamas would probably agree with you.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You're confusing your posters 

Nope

[Eloquent pilgrim]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Barbaric indeed. However, telling people to get out of their homes before flattening them is wrong.

Really ?? so what should the IDF do, tell them to stay in their homes, or not tell them anything …… astonishing comment, even by your standards

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'd rather they left harms way, but that's just me, Hamas would probably agree with you.

You really have a 'polarised' issue. You automatically think I like, or even support Hamas because I criticize Israel's disgraceful treatment/Apartheid of Palestinians.Bizarre. I have absolutely no bias here.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

You really have a 'polarised' issue. You automatically think I like, or even support Hamas because I criticize Israel's disgraceful treatment/Apartheid of Palestinians.Bizarre. I have absolutely no bias here.

I'm reading your posts, quite simple. 

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm reading your posts, quite simple. 

I'm very close to not reading yours. To suggest I support Hamas or dislike Jews, with multiple posts, and your constant little personal flames are annoying. Final warning. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

I'm very close to not reading yours. To suggest I support Hamas or dislike Jews, with multiple posts, and your constant little personal flames are annoying. Final warning. 

Your sounding more and more like a Hamas apologist snowflake to me, why on earth would I care if you put me on ignore 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Final warning

Oh, no, a Final warning …. he must be paralysed with fear.

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your sounding more and more like a Hamas apologist snowflake to me, why on earth would I care if you put me on ignore 

OK. I suggest you ignore me too, as you'll never see another reply from me.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

OK. I suggest you ignore me too

Nope.....555. Reading what apologists write is interesting, gives a perspective of those who deflect the atrocities carried out on the 7th Oct

Edited October 22, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Morch]

46 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I have stated in the beginning already that imo the goal of Hamas is to gain public support worldwide by provoking Israeli retaliation.

China and Russia are on board already, the Arab world has abandoned the pending treaties. Now in western Europe support for Palestinians seems to be increasing. Not sure about the USA but I would expect the same to happen there.

So I think Hamas is on the way of achieving its goal.

I'm not sure I fully follow you. The Hamas goal, as you described is on a tactical level - is that what you meant? Or was it about something of a more strategic level (as in generating support for the 'cause')? I don't see the two as being similar.

 

The usual suspects do that they do, nothing out of the ordinary there. It's not like there wasn't a similar response on each and every past conflagration. Citing it as evidence of slipping support is odd. As for Western Europe, again - it depends what you are referring to on a government level, I'd say the trend generally accommodates (with caveats) Israel's position and is actually better (from Israel's point of view) than past instances. As far as Muslim protests in Europe, that's another thing that usually occurs under similar circumstances. If you could show a reliable shift in general public opinion, on a level  exceeding past situations, maybe. So far, you haven't, though.

 

I will add that while, generally speaking, the Arab world tends to express rage against Israel, it is not necessarily imply a whole lot of love for the Palestinians. And more specifically, Hamas. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, for example, are not really fans, to put it mildly. While there's a lot of vitriol talk on Arab media directed at Israel, there's is also some criticism directed at Hamas (granted, more nuanced and more subdued, for obvious reasons) - I think more so than in the past.

 

[ChipButty]

Hundreds of Thai Muslims who support the Palestinians gathered outside the Embassy of Israel in Bangkok on Saturday to call for peace and to protest against the ongoing violence in the Middle East.

[Morch]

Just now, ChipButty said:

Hundreds of Thai Muslims who support the Palestinians gathered outside the Embassy of Israel in Bangkok on Saturday to call for peace and to protest against the ongoing violence in the Middle East.

The Israeli Embassy would be closed on a Saturday, probably the reason police allowed that.

[proton]

1 minute ago, ChipButty said:

Hundreds of Thai Muslims who support the Palestinians gathered outside the Embassy of Israel in Bangkok on Saturday to call for peace and to protest against the ongoing violence in the Middle East.

They always call for peace when they are losing and on the receiving end, don't recall them protesting against terror attacks though.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

I'm not sure I fully follow you. The Hamas goal, as you described is on a tactical level - is that what you meant? Or was it about something of a more strategic level (as in generating support for the 'cause')? I don't see the two as being similar.

 

The usual suspects do that they do, nothing out of the ordinary there. It's not like there wasn't a similar response on each and every past conflagration. Citing it as evidence of slipping support is odd. As for Western Europe, again - it depends what you are referring to on a government level, I'd say the trend generally accommodates (with caveats) Israel's position and is actually better (from Israel's point of view) than past instances. As far as Muslim protests in Europe, that's another thing that usually occurs under similar circumstances. If you could show a reliable shift in general public opinion, on a level  exceeding past situations, maybe. So far, you haven't, though.

 

I will add that while, generally speaking, the Arab world tends to express rage against Israel, it is not necessarily imply a whole lot of love for the Palestinians. And more specifically, Hamas. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, for example, are not really fans, to put it mildly. While there's a lot of vitriol talk on Arab media directed at Israel, there's is also some criticism directed at Hamas (granted, more nuanced and more subdued, for obvious reasons) - I think more so than in the past.

 

Hamas is on the way to reaching their strategic goals. 

[proton]

Just now, stevenl said:

Hamas is on the way to reaching their strategic goals. 

Martyrdom and a few virgins to abuse in Islamic heaven, they are in for a shock!

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Hamas is on the way to reaching their strategic goals. 

Hamas has over reached itself, it buying time now, that's why it released 2 hostages.