5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It is worth noting that the same poster claiming no direct connection between Iran and hamas, also claims that that Israel has killed over a million innocent Palestinians since the 7th!

 

 

Did he ever post any evidence? if not such scandalous fake news should be deleted. I don't think I have seen even the most deranged Hamas supporter claiming this.

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I'm not sure where you draw the Iran support figure from. Doubt that there's an accurate take on this - publicly, at least. Also, if the money does not go toward weapons, training and logistics - what is it used for? If to support civilian projects, then it's not so different than the money given by Qatar (and which Netanyahu ok'd), or projects supported by the EU, UN and others.

 

As far as I'm aware, Iran's closer ally in the Gaza Strip is the Islamic Jihad, relations with Hamas knowing ups and downs over the years. Not saying Iran does not support the Hamas, one way or another, just that there not much solid information made public on this.

 

IMO, Iran's involvement in this runs quite deep - whether directly or via the Hezbollah. As far as the attack itself, though, I think it's more to do with tactical advice, maybe some equipment specifics, and a promise to have Hamas's back. But again, no hard evidence of that. Yet. Pretty sure all will surface before long.

In addition to the charitable fronts, Matthew Levitt, a former counterterrorism intelligence analyst at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, told Insider that international support, mainly from Iran, has been "the one big constant" in Hamas' funding, estimating that Iran contributes between $70 and $100 million a year to support the militant group.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-a-militant-group-like-hamas-get-its-money-2023-10

7 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Do you have a link to that claim please!

9 minutes ago, proton said:

Did he ever post any evidence?

That's hilarious...

9 minutes ago, proton said:

 

if not such scandalous fake news should be deleted.

Why? Liars need to be called out for what they are. 

9 minutes ago, proton said:

I don't think I have seen even the most deranged Hamas supporter claiming this.

Well, you can't say that anymore. 

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

In addition to the charitable fronts, Matthew Levitt, a former counterterrorism intelligence analyst at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, told Insider that international support, mainly from Iran, has been "the one big constant" in Hamas' funding, estimating that Iran contributes between $70 and $100 million a year to support the militant group.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-a-militant-group-like-hamas-get-its-money-2023-10

Thank you.

oh gawd here we go with the troll posting cut unverified video files 

 

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13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

In addition to the charitable fronts, Matthew Levitt, a former counterterrorism intelligence analyst at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, told Insider that international support, mainly from Iran, has been "the one big constant" in Hamas' funding, estimating that Iran contributes between $70 and $100 million a year to support the militant group.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-a-militant-group-like-hamas-get-its-money-2023-10

Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence.

 

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP or TWI, also known simply as The Washington Institute) is a pro-Israel American think tank based in Washington, D.C.,^[3][4] focused on the foreign policy of the United States in the Near East.

WINEP was established in 1985 with the support of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the funding of many AIPAC donors, in order to provide higher quality research than AIPAC's publications.^[5] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt described WINEP as "part of the core" of the Israel lobby in the United States.^[6]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy}

 

So his assertions, unbacked by evidence, don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence. And as the article points out, more of the funding comes from elsewhere, apparently.

 

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence.

 

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP or TWI, also known simply as The Washington Institute) is a pro-Israel American think tank based in Washington, D.C.,^[3][4] focused on the foreign policy of the United States in the Near East.

WINEP was established in 1985 with the support of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the funding of many AIPAC donors, in order to provide higher quality research than AIPAC's publications.^[5] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt described WINEP as "part of the core" of the Israel lobby in the United States.^[6]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy}

 

So his assertions, unbacked by evidence, don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence. And as the article points out, more of the funding comes from elsewhere, apparently.

 

So you don't doubt that Iran helps hamas, but you call Matthew Levett a liar for claiming Iran helps hamas. 

 

That makes as much sense as about anything you claim 

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence.

 

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP or TWI, also known simply as The Washington Institute) is a pro-Israel American think tank based in Washington, D.C.,^[3][4] focused on the foreign policy of the United States in the Near East.

WINEP was established in 1985 with the support of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the funding of many AIPAC donors, in order to provide higher quality research than AIPAC's publications.^[5] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt described WINEP as "part of the core" of the Israel lobby in the United States.^[6]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy}

 

So his assertions, unbacked by evidence, don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence. And as the article points out, more of the funding comes from elsewhere, apparently.

 

Thanks Sir.

 

Appreciated your time for research on my question.

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence.

 

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP or TWI, also known simply as The Washington Institute) is a pro-Israel American think tank based in Washington, D.C.,^[3][4] focused on the foreign policy of the United States in the Near East.

WINEP was established in 1985 with the support of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the funding of many AIPAC donors, in order to provide higher quality research than AIPAC's publications.^[5] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt described WINEP as "part of the core" of the Israel lobby in the United States.^[6]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy}

 

So his assertions, unbacked by evidence, don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence. And as the article points out, more of the funding comes from elsewhere, apparently.

 

I'm not really too worried if the figures I linked to are not correct, there are no firm reliable figures so its all estimates. The main point is that there is a direct connection between Iran and Hamas which was disputed by a certain poster here.

 

Israel says Iran supports Hamas to the tune of some $100 million dollars a year. The US State Department in 2021 said that the group receives funding, weapons, and training from Iran, as well as some funds that are raised in Gulf Arab countries.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/09/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack-analysis-intl/index.html

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So you don't doubt that Iran helps hamas, but you call Matthew Levett a liar for claiming Iran helps hamas. 

 

That makes as much sense as about anything you claim 

Weren't you calling others out over incorrect statements?

 

He didn't call matthew levett a liar.

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So you don't doubt that Iran helps hamas, but you call Matthew Levett a liar for claiming Iran helps hamas. 

 

That makes as much sense as about anything you claim 

Can you please show where I called him a liar? I just questioned why we should take his word for it. He offered no independently confirmable evidence or even specific evidence.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Weren't you calling others out over incorrect statements?

Only the people making false claims. 

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

 

He didn't call matthew levett a liar.

He did say: "Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence." 

 

Any I guess to a leftist, perhaps that is not calling someone a liar, but to me it is. 

 

He also makes excuses for hamas, and then claims he is not making excuses for hamas, which I think is a common leftist thing as well. 

 

I'm not excusing hamas, but.... 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It is worth noting that the same poster claiming no direct connection between Iran and hamas, also claims that that Israel has killed over a million innocent Palestinians since the 7th!

 

 

And the UK has sent an Aircraft Carrier to the region lies of course.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Can you please show where I called him a liar? I just questioned why we should take his word for it. He offered no independently confirmable evidence or even specific evidence.

"Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence."  

 

You're not calling him a liar, you're just claiming he's not to be believed, got it. 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

"Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence."  

 

You're not calling him a liar, you're just claiming he's not to be believed, got it. 

He is neither to be believed nor disbelieved.  Maybe you believe in the infallibility of intelligence analysts. Maybe you have a point. After all, look how infallible Israeli intelligence was in the case of Hamas attack...oh wait a minute.

1 hour ago, Paul Catton said:

I have never banned on any site for my view regarding atrocities committed in the name of Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Please explain.

So you didn't get a ban off a site only newly established in which I cannot name?

Just now, BarraMarra said:

And the UK has sent an Aircraft Carrier to the region lies of course.

Yeah, any boat becomes an "aircraft carrier" when it has a helicopter on it.

 

And then finds an article about a WW1 aircraft carrier with the same name and tries to say that was the ship being sent.

 

Too funny

38 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

I'm not alone.  

You are with regard to your lies as reposted above by @Yellowtail !

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/SsV1XGl2   

 

Just happened an hour or so ago. The BBC’s obnoxious, left wing, anti-Israel Victoria Derbyshire gets called out by Israeli ex-Prime minister Naftali Bennett …. listen to how she continues to talk over him when he launches into her and the BBC. It’s the polar opposite of how she sits like a nodding dog when interviewing any pro Palestinian interviewees, letting them say whatever they want …. revealing or what ?

Now Now Nick one of lord haw haw's friends on here specifically posted that Even Europeans cannot mention Israel.

7 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/SsV1XGl2   

 

Just happened an hour or so ago. The BBC’s obnoxious, left wing, anti-Israel Victoria Derbyshire gets called out by Israeli ex-Prime minister Naftali Bennett …. listen to how she continues to talk over him when he launches into her and the BBC. It’s the polar opposite of how she sits like a nodding dog when interviewing any pro Palestinian interviewees, letting them say whatever they want …. revealing or what ?

Ask about clarification on the Palestinian non-combatants and implication of international law and you will encounter the same strategies at BBC and elsewhere:

 

- deflection

- character assassination

- no answer to the question

- usual drivel = change victim to aggressor even if the Palestinian non-combatants are not member of Hamas 

- red herrings

- straw man arguments

- ...

36 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence.

 

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP or TWI, also known simply as The Washington Institute) is a pro-Israel American think tank based in Washington, D.C.,^[3][4] focused on the foreign policy of the United States in the Near East.

WINEP was established in 1985 with the support of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the funding of many AIPAC donors, in order to provide higher quality research than AIPAC's publications.^[5] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt described WINEP as "part of the core" of the Israel lobby in the United States.^[6]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy}

 

So his assertions, unbacked by evidence, don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence. And as the article points out, more of the funding comes from elsewhere, apparently.

 

 

Here's a bit more on "this Matthew Levitt person"....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Levitt

 

 

15 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

So you didn't get a ban off a site only newly established in which I cannot name?

I do not hide behind any pseudonym, I am not banned form any website to my knowledge. Please elaborate what website you cannot name. Is it the Bangkok Post, Thaiiger, X hamster, Porn hub, CNN, Al Jazeera I would suggest you get yourself, somewhat of life that stops untoward antagonism to others.

  

16 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/SsV1XGl2   

 

Just happened an hour or so ago. The BBC’s obnoxious, left wing, anti-Israel Victoria Derbyshire gets called out by Israeli ex-Prime minister Naftali Bennett …. listen to how she continues to talk over him when he launches into her and the BBC. It’s the polar opposite of how she sits like a nodding dog when interviewing any pro Palestinian interviewees, letting them say whatever they want …. revealing or what ?

Hamas removed foetuses from pregnant woman's stomachs  and beheaded them and then beheaded the Mothers, did I hear that right ?

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas removed foetuses from pregnant woman's stomachs  and beheaded them and then beheaded the Mothers, did I hear that right ?

Yea, I posted a separate link earlier

 

EXCLUSIVE: Israeli morgue worker says horrors inflicted on Hamas's victims are 'worse than the Holocaust' including decapitated pregnant woman and her beheaded unborn child

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653435/Israeli-morgue-worker-says-horrors-inflicted-Hamass-victims-worse-Holocaust-including-decapitated-pregnant-woman-beheaded-unborn-child.html

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas removed foetuses from pregnant woman's stomachs  and beheaded them and then beheaded the Mothers, did I hear that right ?

Yes, and I'm not making excuses but but but ...

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas removed foetuses from pregnant woman's stomachs  and beheaded them and then beheaded the Mothers, did I hear that right ?

I think it was only one that they did this to, but it has been confirmed

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49 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Only the people making false claims. 

He did say: "Not that I doubt that Iran helps Hamas but this Matthew Levitt person works for the Washington Institute of Near East Policies: So his assertions don't amount to much in the way of reliable evidence." 

 

Any I guess to a leftist, perhaps that is not calling someone a liar, but to me it is. 

 

He also makes excuses for hamas, and then claims he is not making excuses for hamas, which I think is a common leftist thing as well. 

 

I'm not excusing hamas, but.... 

 

 

So making false claims is not ok, I agree with that btw, but if you do it yourself it is to be ignored.