34 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You're right, who cares, it's only 8000 deaths.

 

According to Hamas controlled sources.

There is no indication if this includes Hamas men killed (during or after the 7/10 attack), there's no mention of male age groups.

There's no accounting for naturally occurring deaths as well during the fighting.

 

There's a great lose of life, for sure. Citing Hamas provided figures is a choice, though.

Cellular, internet service gradually returning to Gaza — report

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/cellular-internet-service-gradually-returning-to-gaza-report/

 

29 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I'll help you with my own question .

 

   Taking hostages is a war crime : Hamas is guilty on 220 charges of that war crime 

Killing unarmed civilians is a war crime : Hamas is guilty of over 1000 war crimes on those charges

Raping the enemy is war crime : Hamas is guilty of those war crimes on an unspecified number 

Massacre and genocidal intent is a war crime : Hamas is guilty of that war crime 

Using Huma shields is a war crime : Hamas is guilty of that war crime multiple times by positioning rocket launchers in hospitals for one example 

Indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilian areas is a war crime : Hamas is guilty of those war crime charges 10 000 times 

I totally agree with you.

Detained terrorists admit Hamas using hospitals to shield themselves

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkrxjhcf6#autoplay

 

Not that there was much doubt about this....

30 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

According to Hamas controlled sources.

There is no indication if this includes Hamas men killed (during or after the 7/10 attack), there's no mention of male age groups.

There's no accounting for naturally occurring deaths as well during the fighting.

 

There's a great lose of life, for sure. Citing Hamas provided figures is a choice, though.

So is denying the numbers.  Reliable numbers are not available imo, so I don't see a reason to confirm or deny.

3 hours ago, 2baht said:

The criminal child killer Netanyahoo must be held to account for his atrocities!

Your user name adequately describes the worth of that post.

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So is denying the numbers.  Reliable numbers are not available imo, so I don't see a reason to confirm or deny.

 

I'm not engaged in wholesale denial of casualty figures. I agree that the dead number in the thousands.

What I disagree with is embracing these figures without addressing obvious questions regarding them.

 

If, for example, these figures include all the Hamas men that died on (or shortly after) the 7/10 attack - that would represent 1500-3000 casualties.

Quite a lot relative to the overall figures offered.

 

 

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

I'm not engaged in wholesale denial of casualty figures. I agree that the dead number in the thousands.

What I disagree with is embracing these figures without addressing obvious questions regarding them.

 

If, for example, these figures include all the Hamas men that died on (or shortly after) the 7/10 attack - that would represent 1500-3000 casualties.

Quite a lot relative to the overall figures offered.

 

 

Historically the number released by Gaza’s Health Authority have been fairly accurate.  In the absence of any other information, it’s probably ok to trust them, though I agree, a better breakdown is needed.

 

They are releasing full names and citizen ID numbers.

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Historically the number released by Gaza’s Health Authority have been fairly accurate.  In the absence of any other information, it’s probably ok to trust them, though I agree, a better breakdown is needed.

 

They are releasing full names and citizen ID numbers.

 

They always do this lumping together of casualties, highlighting children and women, much less details on men in fighting age, or Hamas members.

 

So saying 8000 (or whatever) civilians....I think that includes non-civilians as well. Same goes for deaths not directly related to the fighting etc.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

A quote from the highly intellectual Douglas Murray about the demonstrations in the UK. 

 

"Anyone in any doubt about what those marching today are calling for should know this. There would be peace tomorrow if Hamas laid down its arms. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be a second Holocaust. The people marching either don't know this, or want it."

Sounds like this bloke needs his “highly intellectual” status reappraised.

6 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Sounds like this bloke needs his “highly intellectual” status reappraised.

I honestly don't believe he's a fan of terrorists if that's what you mean, then who is.......oh wait.🥴

33 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Sounds like this bloke needs his “highly intellectual” status reappraised.

If you read his book “The Strange Death Of Europe” you might not think so; however, you won’t find it in the fiction department, so you may not be able to locate it.

Hamas is a cancer that needs removing in one go. Don't remove it a small amount will regrow back again, and eventually kill you.

So Hamas has said they will release all hostages held in Gaza if all Hamas prisoners are released. What about the residents being killed in Gaza? who comes 1st there prisoners or civilians.

 Did anyone see the Israel Ambassador to the UN?

Disgraceful - he basically spat in the face of the world, showing they'll destroy Palestine, cut Gaza up and the remaining Palestinians can go and live in the dessert.

As Captain Blackadder would say " Well Chaps it's finally the big One" get ready for the Whirlwind.

Well Well Well look who has turned on Daddy. 

 

 

Spin this 1 Hamas fans this is what Hamas thinks about Palestinian's words from the Son of the leader of Hamas. Confirming Ais is being stolen by Hamas. They don't want a State of Palestine they want an Islamic state worldwide that's there reason.

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1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Hamas is a cancer that needs removing in one go. Don't remove it a small amount will regrow back again, and eventually kill you.

Best to eliminate the cause of the cancer, not just keep cutting out the tumours.

 

Stop stealing land and agree to a Palestinian state and the cancer will disappear forever.

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Best to eliminate the cause of the cancer, not just keep cutting out the tumours.

 

Stop stealing land and agree to a Palestinian state and the cancer will disappear forever.

 

The Hamas is not into that. The PA cannot deliver.

Israel's right wingers are not into it. Israel center-left can't deliver either.

 

Your promises that all will be well are not grounded in anything much, least of all reality.

There you have it folks even the Son of the leader of Hamas wants his head on a Platter. supported with video that is allowed. Any anti-Israelis on here want to comment about it or as I expect will be ignored. Due to the indefensible evidence claiming Hamas's true intentions.

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

 Did anyone see the Israel Ambassador to the UN?

Disgraceful - he basically spat in the face of the world, showing they'll destroy Palestine, cut Gaza up and the remaining Palestinians can go and live in the dessert.

Gross distortion as expected. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Gross distortion as expected. 

 

I accept that the Israeli Ambassador to the UN is a manner-less  *ick. That said, not having seen (and not bothered enough to check - he's a has been nobody), no inclined to take @Neeranam's word for it either. Doesn't have much bearing about the OP (or about anything, really).

This cropped up on my Facebook feed, it was a point @bobbin was making the other day.  

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/DajqdRBgYco?si=aY3MX6nrAa_In_2R

 

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Gross distortion as expected. 

 

34 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I accept that the Israeli Ambassador to the UN is a manner-less  *ick. That said, not having seen (and not bothered enough to check - he's a has been nobody), no inclined to take @Neeranam's word for it either. Doesn't have much bearing about the OP (or about anything, really).

That's 2 answers not saying anything but deflect.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

The Hamas is not into that. The PA cannot deliver.

Israel's right wingers are not into it. Israel center-left can't deliver either.

 

Your promises that all will be well are not grounded in anything much, least of all reality.

You’re right, all sides should just keep doing exactly what they have been doing.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

This cropped up on my Facebook feed, it was a point @bobbin was making the other day.  

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/DajqdRBgYco?si=aY3MX6nrAa_In_2R

 

 

Would have been more appropriate to provide a link to a full interview rather than an edited bit. If that lifted from AJ or something?

Also, that's Marc 'river-to-the-sea' Lemont Hill there, so the drama and rudeness are to be expected. Not the most impartial of news hosts etc.

 

To the point - it goes back to people's perceptions of what's allowed vs. what is allowed.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Spin this 1 Hamas fans this is what Hamas thinks about Palestinian's words from the Son of the leader of Hamas. Confirming Ais is being stolen by Hamas. They don't want a State of Palestine they want an Islamic state worldwide that's there reason.

This post makes no sense.

 

Post a link so we can understand what you’re on about.