Morch Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jingthing said: They care but they know they're going to lose some or most of them regardless. Surely some of the bombs going after targets has hit some already. 19 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I get what you're saying but I really think October 7 shook up all previous assumptions. They'll try very hard of course but I can't believe anyone believes their efforts will be fully successful. Look at the ceasefire question. Some would argue Israel going along with that increases the hostages chances. Not sure if that is true but Israel still has very good reasons not to agree. So it's not a black and white thing in practical reality Other than the obvious issues, there may be political calculations involved. Netanyahu, for example, is effectively already in elections campaign mode. What represents greater political value - photo op with released hostages or reports of them dead by bombings, or IS style execution clips? Just a simple example. I'm sure his campaign people are on it, polling every which way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Wobblybob said: And some tell the truth of what they are, sick depraved terrorists that prey on the elderly, innocent civilians, children and babies, I hope you were trolling when you referred to them as "freedom fighters"! Bataclan, Charlie Hebdo, Nice, Merah, Brussels Airport, etc...are terrorist attacks by terrorist organizations. They can never be seen as "freedom fighters". Hamas-Israeli 2023 war is a colonial pogrom. Hamas, for one side they can be seen as terrorists, for the other side, they can be seen as "freedom fighters". Edited November 1, 2023 by Thorgal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Thorgal said: Bataclan, Charlie Hebdo, Nice, Merah, Brussels Airport, etc...are terrorist attacks by terrorist organizations. They can never be seen as "freedom fighters". Hamas-Israeli 2023 war is a colonial pogrom. Hamas, for one side they can be seen as terrorists, for the other side, they can be seen as "freedom fighters". Post 7/10, which countries/governments call Hamas 'freedom fighters'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thorgal Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Morch said: Post 7/10, which countries/governments call Hamas 'freedom fighters'? Just google : even NATO members https://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-recep-tayyip-erdogan-israel-hamas-war-freedom-fighters/ https://ewn.co.za/2023/10/24/hamas-must-be-regarded-as-freedom-fighters-like-anc-was-during-apartheid-malema Edited November 1, 2023 by Thorgal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Just google : even NATO members https://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-recep-tayyip-erdogan-israel-hamas-war-freedom-fighters/ https://ewn.co.za/2023/10/24/hamas-must-be-regarded-as-freedom-fighters-like-anc-was-during-apartheid-malema So basically, two countries that always have issues with Israel, one of them sometimes playing host to Hamas leaders. Anything of substance to support your claim? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Morch said: Other than the obvious issues, there may be political calculations involved. Netanyahu, for example, is effectively already in elections campaign mode. What represents greater political value - photo op with released hostages or reports of them dead by bombings, or IS style execution clips? Just a simple example. I'm sure his campaign people are on it, polling every which way. Yes but it's not as if Israel has anywhere near total control about what happens to the hostages. Man plans. God laughs. Edited November 1, 2023 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Morch said: So basically, two countries that always have issues with Israel, one of them sometimes playing host to Hamas leaders. Anything of substance to support your claim? You will also find many Israeli citizens that want immediate cease fire in Gaza and hostage/prisoner exchange and that they have no problem to live together with the Palestinians in peace. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Thorgal said: You will also find many Israeli citizens that want immediate cease fire in Gaza and hostage/prisoner exchange and that they have no problem to live together with the Palestinians in peace. Living in peace next to a place where the government wants to murder all Jews is a bit of a stretch. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Thorgal said: You will also find many Israeli citizens that want immediate cease fire in Gaza and hostage/prisoner exchange and that they have no problem to live together with the Palestinians in peace. What's that got to do with you referring to Hamas as freedom fighters? Stop this troll baiting. You are nothing but a Hamas apologist. Get back to your Russian twitter accounts 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Thorgal said: You will also find many Israeli citizens that want immediate cease fire in Gaza and hostage/prisoner exchange and that they have no problem to live together with the Palestinians in peace. Nothing to do with dealing with the terrorist, besides, many Israelis employed folk from Gaza........🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: I get what you're saying but I really think October 7 shook up all previous assumptions. They'll try very hard of course but I can't believe anyone believes their efforts will be fully successful. Look at the ceasefire question. Some would argue Israel going along with that increases the hostages chances. Not sure if that is true but Israel still has very good reasons not to agree. So it's not a black and white thing in practical reality Getting a cease fire then a peace agreement for 10 years is how the Prophet defeated the Meccans. He used the time to build up his forces then launched a surprise attack. Of course they want a cease fire, when they are losing. Who thinks Hamas would not use the time to re group for more terrorism? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Daley Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Israel is in Europe right? Must be something going on there I see a lot of stories in the news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Living in peace next to a place where the government wants to murder all Jews is a bit of a stretch. You've excluded important scriptures and prophecies from the Torah and Talmud in your conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 41 minutes ago, transam said: Nothing to do with dealing with the terrorist, besides, many Israelis employed folk from Gaza........🙄 It's the best answer I can give after seeing (again) 6 to 7 young IDF kids aged 19 to 24 years old that have been KIA yesterday evening in the Gaza strip. They've belonged to the Givati brigade and being hit in an armored vehicle by Hamas RPG. I've preferred to see these boys in Suvarnabhumi airport in line for immigration instead of early this morning in body bags. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thorgal said: It's the best answer I can give after seeing (again) 6 to 7 young IDF kids aged 19 to 24 years old that have been KIA yesterday evening in the Gaza strip. They've belonged to the Givati brigade and being hit in an armored vehicle by Hamas RPG. I've preferred to see these boys in Suvarnabhumi airport in line for immigration instead of early this morning in body bags. Its a war, there are deaths both sides troll 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Jingthing said: Of course. That's how they roll. Off heads. Unfortunately Israel can't afford to prioritize the hostage lives as much as their families understandably wish. Another case of war is hell. Yes im afraid that will be the case, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, candide said: And this support is now fully exacerbated. With significant negative consequences: a rise of antisemitism, and also a growing opportunity for various extremist organisations to recruit more potential terrorists. Also some political impact, for example the Abraham Accords seem to have gone to the trap. Well if someone hits you with a Cane you hit back with a baseball bat. Edited November 1, 2023 by BarraMarra 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, Thorgal said: You've excluded important scriptures and prophecies from the Torah and Talmud in your conclusion. I'm not religious and I could care less about whatever game you're playing now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Straight from the Hamas leaders gob just now and the reason they must be finished. "NEW - Hamas official Ghazi Hamad says they will repeat October 7-like attacks until Israel is annihilated." https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1719666852174197019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, Bkk Brian said: Straight from the Hamas leaders gob just now and the reason they must be finished. "NEW - Hamas official Ghazi Hamad says they will repeat October 7-like attacks until Israel is annihilated." https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1719666852174197019 No need for confirmation. We already know what they are. Yes Israel's goals no matter how difficult are correct to at least deeply weaken their military and governmental capabilities. The after that will be very tricky, but one step at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, BarraMarra said: Go away thorgal your not wanted and take your stupid comments with you. Well, you all know he’s a Hamas troll, but you all keep responding to him; trolls don’t disappear if you ignore them, but they certainly don’t get the satisfaction of knowing that not only did you read what they said, but that you took the bait and consequently fed their raison d’être by replying …… just don’t read anything he writes, give it a try, you’ll feel much better for it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, MrMojoRisin said: Wow, compassion and empathy for the victims on both sides - many here could learn a thing or to about that. You know nothing about what others actually think............ You just look for Trolling material.......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, candide said: And this support is now fully exacerbated. With significant negative consequences: a rise of antisemitism, and also a growing opportunity for various extremist organisations to recruit more potential terrorists. Also some political impact, for example the Abraham Accords seem to have gone to the trap. That has always been the way . Actually , after the Hamas war crimes and atrocities in Israel, Palestinians seem to have lost quite a lot of support , the Arab and Muslim World don't seem to be so vociferous anymore . The Iranians and Saudis don't seem to want to get involved , seems like they don't want to be associated with terrorists and war criminals and child killers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Yes but it's not as if Israel has anywhere near total control about what happens to the hostages. Man plans. God laughs. Indeed. But to make tough decisions, a country needs a leader that's up to the challenge. Netanyahu ain't it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Thorgal said: You will also find many Israeli citizens that want immediate cease fire in Gaza and hostage/prisoner exchange and that they have no problem to live together with the Palestinians in peace. You will also find that they are not countries/governments calling Hamas 'freedom fighters' post 7/10 - which was your original comment. Deflect away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 46 minutes ago, Thorgal said: It's the best answer I can give after seeing (again) 6 to 7 young IDF kids aged 19 to 24 years old that have been KIA yesterday evening in the Gaza strip. They've belonged to the Givati brigade and being hit in an armored vehicle by Hamas RPG. I've preferred to see these boys in Suvarnabhumi airport in line for immigration instead of early this morning in body bags. Of course you do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wobblybob Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, coolcarer said: No shame from the resident antisemitic troll who was outed yet again today. Just when you thought his remarks couldn't get any more inflammatory, he proves us wrong again.🥴 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, BarraMarra said: Well if someone hits you with a Cane you hit back with a baseball bat. I've never been caned. But I did hit some people with a baseball bat. We all have our skeletons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Morch said: Of course you do. Sorry, If I post, I go for quality, not for quantity... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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