43 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What's really ugly is Christian nationalism. The claim that the constitution is a basically a Judeo Christian document. and what it ordains should not contradict Christianity as understood by Evangelical fundamentalists and right wing Catholics. The kind of thing that Johnson supports. To be opposed to Christian nationalism and the disrepute it brings the church into, is not Christianophobia.

 

 

A weak attempt to justify your dislike of Christians and their beliefs. Not for the first time either.

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

A weak attempt to justify your dislike of Christians and their beliefs. Not for the first time either.

Once again when you've got nothing you try to make it personal instead of offering a rebuttal of what was actually posted.

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

A weak attempt to justify your dislike of Christians and their beliefs. Not for the first time either.

Reading comprehension is clearly not your forte.  🤪

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s rather fitting that a rightwing extremist should be handed the tail of the rabid GOP tiger.

 

A Republican mess that will not be resolved by a guy with zero political capital in the party.

 

He’s going to be eaten alive.

Being a liar is also fitting quite well.

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Right wing extremist??  😃

 

The hyperbole is coming thick and fast this morning. 😄

 

Johnson is a solid choice for most who are not left wing extremists Antifa types.

 

18 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I suspect an awful lot of things surprise you daily.

 

 

Only someone from such an extremist group would consider him far right. 

 

18 hours ago, novacova said:

Though keep in mind, from the extremest left perspective, anything towards the center is extremest right. Their delusion even cuts into RFK Jr

Johnson is an election denier.  That means he prefers autocracy to democracy.  That's right-wing extremism.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

 

Johnson is an election denier.  That means he prefers autocracy to democracy.  That's right-wing extremism.

As part of that, he also bought into the lies about Dominion voting machines:

 

"Johnson then ran through a litany of allegations of election law changes in key states that he said were unconstitutional — and then he lent credence to a discredited claim of election fraud: “The allegation about these voting machines, some of them being rigged with the software by Dominion — look, there’s a lot of merit to that.”

In the same interview, Johnson — who as speaker will be privy to the nation’s most sensitive intelligence secrets — returned to the Dominion matter. He embraced the false description of Dominion machines as “a software system that is used all around the country that is suspect because it came from Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/25/mike-johnson-trump-election-gambit-00123611

 

He's also an extremist on abortion and gay rights.

23 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Right wing extremist??  😃

 

The hyperbole is coming thick and fast this morning. 😄

 

Johnson is a solid choice for most who are not left wing extremists Antifa types.

He has been described as "the main architect of the fake elector scheme".

 

He refused to certify the election of Biden, and continues to claim that the election was stolen.

 

He is an evangelical Christian whose views on many social matters would make Attila the Hun look like a wimp.

He's going to say whatever he needs to survive.  Just like the previous Speaker.  He'd better be practicing his 'walking on water' to avert a gov't shutdown.  But wait, is destroying the country his goal, like the rest of those guys?

Senators usually find ways to fill their pockets holdings, but low-seniority reps can have budget problems keeping more than one dwelling (one in DC, the other at home).  When the paychecks stop it's going to get real for them.

 

 

22 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

He has been described as "the main architect of the fake elector scheme".

 

He refused to certify the election of Biden, and continues to claim that the election was stolen.

 

He is an evangelical Christian whose views on many social matters would make Attila the Hun look like a wimp.

 

More Christianophobia. I'm surprised you didn't label him a Jesus Freak like the other bigot on here did.

 

23 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I suspect an awful lot of things surprise you daily.

 

 

Only someone from such an extremist group would consider him far right. 

That you don't cite any facts about his political positions but simply engage in empty accusations against people who call him an extremist undercuts any value there might be to your comments.

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

More Christianophobia. I'm surprised you didn't label him a Jesus Freak like the other bigot on here did.

 

Nonsense, I am certainly not a "Christianophobe" (if that is a word), in fact I am a Catholic.

 

I just find the crossover between the evangelical movement and a particularly intolerant form of radical right wing politics disturbing.

Edited October 27, 20232 yr by herfiehandbag

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

That you don't cite any facts about his political positions but simply engage in empty accusations against people who call him an extremist undercuts any value there might be to your comments.

 

What's to say? He's a Conservative. When people use terms like "far right extremist" for anyone who is even slightly right of centre (or sometimes insufficiently left of centre) it makes the accusation meaningless. Much like calling someone a racist, it's so overused that it now just means someone has lost an argument.

 

Being a conservative christian does not make you Mussolini. 

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

What's to say? He's a Conservative. When people use terms like "far right extremist" for anyone who is even slightly right of centre (or sometimes insufficiently left of centre) it makes the accusation meaningless. Much like calling someone a racist, it's so overused that it now just means someone has lost an argument.

 

Being a conservative christian does not make you Mussolini. 

This is particularly comical coming from someone who regularly accuses those whose opinions he disagrees with of being antifa supporters. Without a shred of evidence to support that ridiculous claim. And you offer zero evidence to support your claim that he's merely a conservative.

Yes. He's a conservative. An extreme conservative.

 

As has already been cited he supported the lunatic belief that Dominion voting machines were suspect because they came from Hugo Chavez' Venezuela.

 

"After the Supreme Court struck down a Texas law making gay sex a crime and erased sodomy laws in a dozen other states, Johnson called the landmark 2003 decision, in Lawrence v. Texas, a “devastating blow to fundamental American values and millennia of moral teaching.”

"A year later, he described same-sex marriage as a threat to democracy. Weighing in on a proposed amendment to Louisiana’s constitution defining marriage as “the union of one man and one woman,” he argued that any other interpretation would “de-emphasize the importance of traditional marriage to society, weaken it, and place our entire democratic system in jeopardy by eroding its foundation....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/26/mike-johnson-house-speaker-lgbtq-religion/

58 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

More Christianophobia. I'm surprised you didn't label him a Jesus Freak like the other bigot on here did.

 

I've looked in vain in this thread for anyone who labelled Johnson a Jesus Freak. Making things up much?

But he certainly invites criticism of the version of Christianity he subscribes given that the extreme right wing organization he worked for claims pursues it's political goals in the name of Christianity.

45 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

What's to say? He's a Conservative. When people use terms like "far right extremist" for anyone who is even slightly right of centre (or sometimes insufficiently left of centre) it makes the accusation meaningless. Much like calling someone a racist, it's so overused that it now just means someone has lost an argument.

 

Being a conservative christian does not make you Mussolini. 

Who has used  'terms like "far right extremist" for anyone who is even slightly right of centre (or sometimes insufficiently left of centre) it makes the accusation meaningless.'   

The conversation here isn't about "anyone it's about Mike Johnson. Once again, you fail to offer any specific evidence to support your case.

On 10/26/2023 at 8:28 AM, JonnyF said:

Right wing extremist?? 

"Johnson was the primary proponent in the House of a way to overturn the 2020 election and keep Donald Trump in the presidency.  "

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-10-26/house-speaker-mike-johnson-election-denial#:~:text=Johnson was the primary proponent,and loses to President Biden.

Johnson is either massively dishonest or delusional:

“Do you support the right of a woman who is just seconds away from birthing a healthy child to have an abortion?” he asked at a Judiciary Committee hearing."

https://archive.ph/PxL1t

 

When the witness replied that it doesn't happen. here's what Johnson claimed:

 

“Never happened in your practice, ma’am,” Mr. Johnson fired back. “But it happens. 

https://archive.ph/PxL1t

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

What's to say? He's a Conservative. When people use terms like "far right extremist" for anyone who is even slightly right of centre (or sometimes insufficiently left of centre) it makes the accusation meaningless. Much like calling someone a racist, it's so overused that it now just means someone has lost an argument.

 

Being a conservative christian does not make you Mussolini. 

So all of the posters who use the term "radical left" have just lost the argument?

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

So all of the posters who use the term "radical left" have just lost the argument?

At least one of them has gone so far as to use the term "antifa supporters". A weirdly specific and irrelevant label.

And yet more damning evidence.

Speaker Johnson raises conservatives’ hopes for Biden impeachment

“The mounting evidence … shows that Joseph Biden has engaged in bribery schemes, pay-to-play schemes,” Johnson said, noting that the Constitution says a president “shall be removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/26/speaker-johnson-raises-conservatives-hopes-for-biden-impeachment-00123829#:~:text=“The mounting evidence …,or high crimes and misdemeanors.”

 

When Comer's committee called witnesses in their impeachment inquiry, even those witnesses said their wasn't evidence to prove it.

 

Extremist much?

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Extremist much?

Well we may find out next Tuesday, if he is seen outside howling at the moon!

Mike Johnson Suddenly Has Amnesia About His History of Anti-LGBTQ Comments

https://news.yahoo.com/mike-johnson-suddenly-amnesia-history-025007155.html

 

Apparently Mike Johnson thinks dishonesty is compatible with his Christian faith. For 8 years he worked for the Alliance for Defending Freedeom, a self proclaimed Christian outfit that, among other things, opposed the decriminalization of homosexual acts.

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

What's to say? He's a Conservative. When people use terms like "far right extremist" for anyone who is even slightly right of centre (or sometimes insufficiently left of centre) it makes the accusation meaningless. Much like calling someone a racist, it's so overused that it now just means someone has lost an argument.

 

Being a conservative christian does not make you Mussolini. 

Not an extremist?

What Mike Johnson Has Said About Cutting Social Security

During his tenure as chair of the Republican Study Committee (RSC) from 2019 to 2021, Johnson, a Republican from Louisiana, vigorously championed budget resolutions proposing trillions in cuts to these programs.According to Bobby Kogan, senior director of Federal Budget Policy at American Progress, the proposed cuts were staggering; roughly $2 trillion from Medicare, $3 trillion from Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act, and $750 billion from Social Security.

At an American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research event before he was elected speaker, Johnson did not mince his words, saying that entitlements like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security pose an "existential threat" to the American way of life and the "whole form of government."

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-johnson-social-security-cuts-house-speaker-1838350

 

 

Before Mike Johnson Was Speaker, He Was Blaming Abortion for School Shootings

 “Many women use abortion as a form of birth control, you know, in certain segments of society, and it’s just shocking and sad, but this is where we are. When you break up the nuclear family, when you tell a generation of people that life has no value, no meaning, that it’s expendable, then you do wind up with school shooters.”

https://archive.ph/s6LDo#selection-1357.556-1357.885

To suggest that the election of Mr Johnson will end the chaos within the Republican Party seems to me, as an observer, a pretty bold assumption.

 

The majority remains razor slim. The lunatic fringe, Gaetz "et al" still retain control of the wrecking ball of one member being able to move a motion to get rid of the speaker. Since that portion of the party resemble nothing if not the fans of the London based Millwall Football Club (motto: "We know you hate us but we don't care") they will probably move again if they don't get exactly what they want. The most urgent task in front of the house is to sort out the funding issue - inevitably we will see more teetering on the edge of shutdowns until a very small number of people get what they want. A number who are beholden to the brooding presence of Mr Trump who would happily allow, and revel in, the most calamitous mess befalling the country, if he thought it would either get him out of his legal entanglements or help him in his campaign.

 

What I do find astonishing is that Mr Johnson espouses views which seem quite removed from mainstream opinion, presumably some Republican seats are vulnerable in a years time, yet he was unanimously supported!

 

It would be fascinating to know to what extent the Republican Party actually represent a majority of the electorates views; yes, the much sneered at popular vote. Given some of the bizarre district boundaries which often follow no real demographic or geographical logic, and the energies turned to vote suppression in many areas, I suspect the breakdown of seats in The House of Representatives doesn't really reflect this.

Edited October 28, 20232 yr by herfiehandbag

6 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

What I do find astonishing is that Mr Johnson espouses views which seem quite removed from mainstream opinion, presumably some Republican seats are vulnerable in a years time, yet he was unanimously supported!

I suspect the reason was because they couldn't support israel till a speaker was elected, and he just happened to be acceptable to the Trumpist holdouts.

He can always be removed once israel has demolished Gaza. They need all the bombs they can get to finish the job,and without the US supplying them the job will not be finished to their satisfaction.

It's significant that his first order of business was israel and not the debt crisis.

The cherry on the cake! 😃

 

“The Ark Encounter is one way to bring people to this recognition of the truth, that what we read in the Bible are actual historical events,” Johnson said in a 2021 interview.... 

 

New House Speaker Thinks Creationist Museum Is 'Pointing People To The Truth'

 

https://news.yahoo.com/house-speaker-thinks-creationist-museum-235936048.html

 

On 10/27/2023 at 8:45 AM, JonnyF said:

 

What's to say? He's a Conservative. When people use terms like "far right extremist" for anyone who is even slightly right of centre (or sometimes insufficiently left of centre) it makes the accusation meaningless. Much like calling someone a racist, it's so overused that it now just means someone has lost an argument.

 

Being a conservative christian does not make you Mussolini. 

Perhaps not. But beliefs (which he is on record as expressing) that abortions are being performed up until the time of birth, that Hugo Chavez and Venezuela somehow had taken control of whole tranches of voting machines, and that it was entirely legal and constitutional to replace State's Electoral College electoral panels (after the votes had been cast and counted) with ones which would ignore those votes and vote instead for the defeated candidate; well that does nudge his position a little bit towards "Mussolini"!

19 hours ago, candide said:

The cherry on the cake! 😃

 

“The Ark Encounter is one way to bring people to this recognition of the truth, that what we read in the Bible are actual historical events,” Johnson said in a 2021 interview.... 

 

New House Speaker Thinks Creationist Museum Is 'Pointing People To The Truth'

 

https://news.yahoo.com/house-speaker-thinks-creationist-museum-235936048.html

 

Apparently, according to Mike johnson, dinosaurs and people live together at the same time. At least that's what the Ark Encounter shows. And why not? After all according to these people, the Earth is only 6,000 years old. So it shouldn't come as a surprise that Johnson also believes the burning of fossil fuels is not connected to climate change.

MAGA Mike states that school shootings are the fault of feminism. teaching evolution and divorce etc.

 

He also suggests that sex outside of marriage should be banned.

 

Yet, he is an avid supporter the twice divorced and 'grab 'em by the p*ssy' proven rapist.

 

 

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by LosLobo